Gaza flotilla with Greta Thunberg on board departs Barcelona

People say it's a publicity stunt. Well so what. Greta knows if she goes, cameras and reporters will follow. It's the same thing Lady Diana did when traveling to 3rd world nations....she knew that she alone wouldn't make a difference, but the cameras and reporters that follow her would.

Greta is doing what most of us only discuss....helping. and if she helps by keeping Isreal's hypocrisy in the news, then she wins.

Hard to say its a publicity stunt when it isn't the first time she's doing it.
They one who says that are troll because it is not a Publicity stunt when you are going to the door steps of a fascist military organization that have no regards of any human life "including their own" and will not hesitate shooting you down or imprisoned you for unknown time.
palestine can free themselves by making peace with israel
People say it’s a publicity stunt.
Shortly before the IDF bombs another Reuters photojournalist team, sure.
and if she helps by keeping Isreal’s hypocrisy in the news, then she wins.
If she really wanted to help, she'd be campaigning for Kamala Harris for President.
That's what I'm told Palestinians actually want.
- Say /s right now
- Is this a shitpost? She’s not even from the USA why would she be involved with campaigning for the democrats and either way if you think a democrat president would stop helping Israel then you must have missed all the previous presidents who supported Iseral.
- She's a Swedish citizen. Are you suggesting that Kamala needs to become the prime minister of Sweden?

I don't get the criticism. They either get the food through or the press following her is going to film the Israeli navy blocking the food from entering the shore.

There has never been any hope that they'd get the food through. This is all about showing people that Israel are willing to arrest and deport them.
My main critisism is that it isn't going to change anything because:
No country is going to allow people who aren't refugees to illegally enter their territory like this. Israel arresting these people and deporting them isn't new. So Israel doing something every other country would do is a non-story.
This isn't going to convince anyone who has agreed with Israel's action up to this point because, they already tried it before, and denying aid to palestinians is not their worst crime. Anyone who could be swayed by this action, was swayed more than a year ago, when it was crystal clear Israel was purposely murdering civillians.
So to me, this comes off as an attempt to get media attention, with a happening that does nothing to help the people they really want to help, changing no ones mind, and all without actually being anything but a slight inconvenience to Israel, making their coastguards take a slight detour to arrest a few people.
Sure, it's more than I've done, and more than I care to do, and I'm sure a lot of people are going to be very angry, because I don't think this will matter in the slightest. I'm sympathetic to their course, but this just reeks too much of a bunch of privilaged kids, wanting to make a name for themselves, so they load a boat up with food, alcohol and weed, have a bunch of fun on the way, get sent home when they reach their destination, and hope they get to talk to the media.
- The flotilla is not sailing to Israeli territory. They are sailing to Gaza, which is under an illegal military occupation.
  Not even the Israeli government claims Gaza as Israeli territory (yet). The government is trying to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip so they can flood it with settlements, establishing facts on the ground for an eventual annexation.
  That’s why the flotilla is trying to bring food and medical aid to Gaza.

Ah shit here we go again. What's ironic is that the Zionazis could get an easy PR win by letting them in to distribute aid but that would interfere with their long term extermination goals.

it would also interfere with their immediate goal of openly being cartoonishly evil.
- Complete with lightning strike whenever they make a proclamation?
Zionazis could get an easy PR win
In liberal corners of the United States and Europe, maybe. But in Israel this would be viewed as a humiliation and a defeat.
An easy PR win by letting them enter a war zone? You can only lose by doing that. For an easy PR win, they could just let the trucks enter Gaza.
I give it a 30% chance that Israel military kills them and blames Hamas, a 60% chance that Hamas kills them and blames it on Israel... And a 10% chance of surviving...
- "War zone" is an interesting thing to call the world's largest death camp.
  "60% chance Hamas kills them" lol sure, whatever islamaphobic fantasies get you off pal.
- You can only lose by doing that.
  You're not wrong. As soon as they let in one group of foreign aid workers, others follow. And then you run the risk of people ending the engineered famine.
  Sort of defeats the point of doing a genocide if outsiders can just feed the people you're trying to starve to death.
  a 60% chance that Hamas kills them
  I swear to God, the average Zionist's understanding of a Palestinian is somewhere between Ayatollah Khomemi and The Terminator.
  They've got no food, but they still have anti-ship missiles?
- This is the third time she's done this but for some reason this time she only has a 10% chance of survival?
- I give it a 30% chance that Israel military kills them and blames Hamas, a 60% chance that Hamas kills them and blames it on Israel… And a 10% chance of surviving…
  They've been doing this May and I don't think anyone has died/gone "missing" in the Flotillas yet. Israel doesn't want the PR win, they usually use the opportunity of the news media's attention being turned to the Flotillas to launch some extra drone strikes in Gaza. Murdering Palestinians is much more important to them.
- I actually wonder why they haven't blocked telecom coming in and out. Everyone would still kinda know they're doing a genocide, but it would be harder to visually cover, and they might be able to hide details.

Oh boy! I'm prepared before reading the comments this time around!

As someone living in Gaza, seeing this support from around the world truly gives us hope. Thank you

Sending well wishes and hoping you are safe.
post pic or fake

The same thing will happen as last time. Gaza needs food though.

It’s 50 ships this time
- blockade stops 50 ships just as easily, these are not blockade running ships.
- You think that means one or two might slip through?
European powers ignoring high sea piracy in the Mediterranean and pretending it's not there.
Four Italian politicians are on one of the ships this time. The secretary of the main Italian opposition asked the government to take a stand about their safety. Dock workers in Genoa said that if something happens to the ships they will bring down logistics and shipping throughout Europe.

free Palestine from the river to the sea ♥️🖤💚🤍

Ahh so this is that Greta van Fleet I been hearing about.

They are right about the haircut though.

That being said, genocide through purposeful mass starvation is quite possibly the most heinous crime that exists. God bless anyone does anything at all to fight against it
I actually like it, she wears it well.
Who? What did they say about it

why is it called a floatilla

Not trying to be a smart ass but what do u suggest it's be called? A convoy? Maybe a fleet?
- Boat. It's a fucking boat.
I'm mobile and can't verify anything, but if you trust a goggle AI Overview then here you go.
The word "flotilla" originates from the Spanish word flotilla, a diminutive form of flota meaning "fleet". This, in turn, came from Old French floter and ultimately Germanic roots, like Old Norse floti ("raft, fleet") and Old English flota ("ship" or "fleet"), which are ancestors of the English word "float". The English term "flotilla" was adopted in 1711 and refers to a small fleet, especially of small naval vessels like destroyers or submarines. Here's a breakdown of the word's origin: Spanish: Flotilla (diminutive of flota, meaning "fleet"). Old French: Floter ("to float, set afloat"). Germanic: Old Norse floti ("raft, fleet") and Old English flota ("ship, fleet"). Indo-European: Traced back to the root pleu- ("to flow"). The English word "flotilla" was first recorded in 1711.
- Ahh dang! So close. I guessed 16th century.
I guess it's enough boats to make a floating villa? There's something in there that I'm sure a 16th century language historian could figure out.
Because she floats.

I would depart Barcelona too.

She was in Norway like a week ago. Woman's busy.

She would be better of protesting in Saudi Arabia or stopping some russian shadow fleet ships before supplying the Russian war machine.

We got the Temu version of a radical protestant instead.

Are the words you wrote supposed to be coherent?
???
Why would that be better? I'm interested to hear how you think that would be more effective and within her "power".

I'll say it. Gretta is a pawn in a fake game of chess

Pawn are very important piece in chess, most of the time you lose one you lose the game.
Pawn becomes any other piece when it reach its destination including a Queen.
that is a lame comment that makes no sense.
- Pawns are the first pieces to be sacrificed in a game of chess. How deep did you go to pull out this comment?
  Maybe the first to loose a pawn in game are statisticaly more prone to loosing. But that's will be Tue reason of being the worse players not that the piece in itself is so important.
I'll say it
Ok, but you shouldn't
We all are. And if you aren't they make you suffer.

Um, no. None of that is true.
"The J's".
Yeah, we can tell who you are here. You sound like an antisemite if you're going with that approach.
Not all Jewish people in the world are for this genocide. Israel is commiting this atrocity, not every Jewish person.
- Bro, shut up, he’s not lying
- But a majority of Israeli’s and their cousin’s support this genocide. Or Bibi wouldn’t be so influential in their culture.
  I can’t say the J word because people get upset. I’m a genetic J btw. I live inside of this hate bubble. Encircled by people who preach death to Islam at all costs. And I didn’t come out hating people. I just dislike all religions of all forms. They are simply a death cult. All of them.
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She's gonna be thrown in an Israeli jail this time.

I don't understand why they are publicizing this. Wouldn't it be easier to 'slip by' under cover of night or whatever smuggler-esque strategies there are?

The point isn't to get supplies to Gaza, it's to put eyeballs on the fact that Israel is preventing supplies from getting into Gaza.
- So alleviating their suffering isn't the objective, rather to point out that they are suffering?
it's a illegal blockage, if they tried to do it in secret it would 100% fail, it's a humanitarian aid flotilla, not a military stealth ship.
if anything the more public eyes on this the better.
If they don't, Israel could just say they didn't know and just blow them up.
- It seems like a gamble that both sides are doing - 'blockade runners' going to initiate an internationally effective response after they are illegally kidnapped, and that Israel is betting that no one can find the balls to do anything.
No, it won't be easier. Israel has all the tools to intercept them
Because it is a publicity stunt.
- "Publicity stunt" is just a pejorative description of activism, in this case.
because they dont want to get there they want the headlines when they are turned away
- That’s not true necessarily. Of course they are highlighting the cruelty of the blockade, but I’m sure they’d be very happy to get in and see what’s happening—as well as distribute some food
Because terrorism is the point
- "Terrorism is when you attempt to deliver food to starving children."
  Dhar@lemmy.ca
- This is terrorism? Explain.
- yes i would like to know how this is terrorism as well
- Please enlighten us how this is terrorism?
- Lmao posting this from the Canada instance is hilarous considering the PM has put out a statement denouncing the Knesset and it's intention to recognize a Palestinian State. Guess Carney's a terrorist.

I have to say I don't get this. They keep trying again and again but to what end. There's no way this will change anything. The navy will intercept them, maybe kill some people in the process, dump the food and sent them back home. It all feels like a huge waste of manpower, resources and time.

But by this point I'm wondering if Greta feels like she's achieving much with the make noise strategy. I feel like that could work in a world that cares which ours increasingly is not that. She could attain more by going into politics for example. But dying in the sea on her way to a brick wall would be a huge loss that I can't follow the logic of.

My guess is it's a form of highly visible and publicized protest.
The fact that you now know about this event and who is involved and talking about it here proves they have been successful.
They don't really care if the food arrives or not, they just want you to pay attention to their humanitarian efforts and how it's being diverted.
- Right but my point is that they already did this and nothing changed. Everyone who cares to know knows already and everyone else doesn't care. Actions speak louder than words and the world has already spoken even if any decent person is against it, this won't change anything anymore.
just by saying they're going, they've made israel state publicly that they will be treated like terrorists when caught. if israel does treat non-violent nationals of "allied" countries like that, they've officially burned quite a few bridges.
Yeah, if the bully keeps beating your friends up, and they are way stronger... Why try to stop them?
Politics is a great idea. Maybe if she was a Minister in her home country of Sweden she could draft a formal letter of disapproval! That works really well for the US Democrats.
It's best to not make any figurative or literal waves. Best to stay in one's lane.
- As I said in another comment there is politics at EU level and my argument is not against making waves, it's about taking the conservation to where it hurts more for the politicians that don't act. Making waves is very much a viable option since it's been a recent staple of some politicians.
It makes it undeniably obvious that the point is genocide. It points out Israel’s blatant lies in a way that no breathing human can deny.
- Again this is my opinion, everyone who cares about it already knows beyond a shadow of a doubt what this is, everyone else will continue to attempt confusion and deny it until theres no living resident in Gaza. I disagree that this particular action would change anything in terms of anyone's perception on the lies.
It all feels like a huge waste of manpower, resources and time.
Go ahead and explain to us a better way
- I already did in broad terms. I would target politics, start a party or movement, grab power, votes and influence, take the helm and actually enact policy and put pressure where it hurts. Even this flotilla would make a lot more sense if it would be a marketing stunt to gain something else, but it really does seem to be limited to exposure which is not enough, everyone already knows the tragedy that is happening and yet those who can actually decide have said time and time again we can all get fucked.