6 in 10 Canadians say they can never trust Americans the same way again
6 in 10 Canadians say they can never trust Americans the same way again - National | Globalnews.ca
From Mary Poppins:
Though we adore them individually, we agree that as a group they're rather stupid.
from MIB:
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it.
Yours is more eloquent though.
Haha, I'm stealing this to describe religious people
Canada needs a nuke now more than ever. Build it. And any time the orange fuckhead threatens annexation load it up in the silo.
Might need more than one but you got the spirit
Seems low.
4 of 10 never trusted them to begin with
Personally, my trust in any specific individual is entirely based on that individual, regardless of their nationality or any other factor.... Because I'm not bigoted like that.
However, my trust in the American government and my willingness to use American brands has been permanently altered.
Given how much surveillance most major tech companies do on their users, I'm just about ready to break out the tin foil. Shit is getting wild.
This. I live in a bubble in California. We still have decent folks here. When I travel the country I tend to encounter the chuds at airport bars. The key child indicator is to respond that you're from San Francisco when they ask. They won't be able to contain the fox news eulogy for San Francisco and how it used to be a great state before it got "ruined "
I don't blame them. I am (sadly) American, and I certainly don't trust most Americans right now.
Edit to add: and don't know that I ever will again.
This is exactly what they want to happen... most people are not actually bad people, they want better standards of living just like you and everyone else.
Some people are terrible and racists... but most people are tired of struggling and the rich getting richer... they just want their jobs back and to do what they are used to doing... they want to be okay because everything is fucked up...
They are being lied to, you are being lied to... everyone is being lied to...
Not everyone has forgotten their humanity, the people in control who want you to believe so, are the ones that keep telling you that they have
No matter how good a person could be, I wouldn't trust them if they are easily manipulated in believing BS. I won't hate them, but I won't trust them.
Anyone with an bit of judgement could see what Trump was. And yet he was elected. Twice!
So all these "good people" have cpntributed to elect a fascist twice already. You want me to trust they won't elect another one after him? That this is a two times mistake and Canadians can rely on the US after that?
Nope.
Maybe they were lied to about Trump. They will be lied to again by others about other fascists.
You can blame education, oligarchs propaganda, whatever. Point is: Canada can't rely on the USA, even if Trump goes away.
Brecht:
"When the last [war] came to an end There were conquerors and conquered. Among the conquered the common people Starved. Among the conquerors The common people starved too."
No one can trust an oligarch. If they live in your country, they are not your countrymen. If they don't, they are not the common people who live where they happen to.
I hate that I'm lumped in with these people but I also understand.
Individuals are to be assessed and judged individually based on their own merit; but trust in the collective, particularly of those in a position of power has eroded so enormously that the 'benefit of the doubt' is lost.
There's no choice but to assume the worst will happen; because of this, I will NEVER live in America. It will be a long long time before I even consider visiting, and for the foreseeable future I will continue to make an effort to not buy American products.
I've been removing American tech companies from my life over the last 5-10years, but I've been stepping up those efforts more recently and this is only more encouragement.
I'm lumped in with these people
Maybe at first glance, but first impressions aren't everything. Everyone deserves a chance; keep your chin up m8. I wish you the best of luck in this crazy world. 🇨🇦
Every American is the enemy. Unless they deal.with their leader.
We Minnesotans are hoping to be annexed by Canada
That's okay, I haven't trusted America in decades, and I'm American. Canadians are wise to be mistrustful of our GOVERNMENT. Most of the people are mostly cool. It's just the MAGAs you have to hide your kids from.
Over half of the voters support what the government is doing. The US is cooked
Yeah and the voters are less than half of the population
As someone who has MAGA relatives in the US, most of the people are definitely not mostly cool. His die-hard supporters may only be about 35% of the population (which is huge) but there's at least another 15% who are sympathetic to the whole movement. At most, 50% of the population is mostly cool, the other half is mostly very uncool.
After this nightmare is over, the Untied States need a complete overhaul
Balkanisation might honestly be the only solution; but that would involve the US giving up its current position as the only remaining global superpower.
It's not ending any time soon. The US supreme court will remain a theocratic conservative majority for most of our lives. Regardless of how old you are. You will be quite old by the time that changes.
A brave-enough Congress could overhaul the Supreme Court, as they had in the past.
Unfortunately that level of courage is missing from most current politicians.
Not that I'm trying to pawn off our responsibilities, but I think part of that change needs to come from the rest of the world putting us in our place. Quit bending the knee and letting us get away with murder. Sanction our asses.
Cuba is illegal in the Untied States. All other countries should outlaw the Untied States, make it illegal to go there and illegal to possess anything made there, until the Untied States behaves itself.
A complete overhaul is the prerequisite for this nightmare to be over.
And that overhaul is both far away and likely to be extremely painful.
I always tell Americans to just try to get out. Failing that, it's about surviving and not making the situation even worse in the process.
Yeah, talk about putting the cart before the horse.
Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.
Well, one makes the other.
Sorta… But only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags. And of those, most of them voted that way because of a single R. So I’d guess around 75% of the people don’t agree with what is going on.
So as a concrete example, I’m an American and I’d go out of my way to help most anyone but I am not the United States.
Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.
Did I miss the violent military coup?
I mean, there was that one guy that riled up his supporters to attack the capital. But then 70% of “Americans” participated in his democratic election as President just a few months ago.
Are you suggesting we trust those guys?
There may have been thousands of guns there on Jan 6th but they only found like three in the hands of civilians. You'll know if Americans get riled up enough to attack the capital.
And no, 70% of the population didn't vote for him, he got just under 50% of the votes, but that was only about 23% of Americans.
I've had beef with them ever since they dressed up in redface and threw a bunch of perfectly good tea into the Boston harbour. Quite rude, and they never apologized for it.
Eh, I'm a pretty big fan of democracy. I kinda think I would have supported the side that wasn't about hereditary dictatorship.
But clearly, a lot of history has happened since then.
Especially because they were doing it to protect their smuggling profits, not out of some great and noble cause.
Ungrateful sods too, because a lot of the war debt that the tariffs were meant to pay off were the result of beating the French on the American continent so that it could be settled by English colonists. Ever wonder why so many places in the US have French names? Detroit, Louisville, St. Louis, Lafayette, Reno (a.k.a. Renault), Arkansas, Illinois...
beef has gotten really expensive in the US.
Dw us and the injuns got pay back. How did reward them? Oh right....https://www.ontario.ca/page/indian-residential-schools
The other 4 didn’t trust them to begin with.
I bet more in ten Americans feel the same way about Americans.
Yeah, I was just wondering what the hell is wrong with 4/10 Canadians?
Every country has "the idiot third", add a couple "IDK" and bam 40%
half of those are probably Bertans
As an US American watching two decades of secular human sacrifice through the long tail of the gunpowder revolution has left me undernourished and starving for humanity.
I’m afraid that the humanity you starve for has always been an ideal, and not reality.
It feels like we're near or possibly over the precipice of losing our democracy
I'd just caution our friends to the north and those across the pond that when I look at people like Carney and Starmer I see people as bad or worse than Biden and then I look at who's waiting in the wings..
It’s been gone since Citizens United, dude.
Definitely worse than Biden, but the systems they're running are better than the one in America so it about evens out. Which, given how the American situation went, is really fucking bad.
Same
I never understood this stereotype (aboot vs about). I’m Canadian, lived here all my life, my family is all Canadian and all have lived here all their lives. I’ve got family all across the country, from the western coast of BC to the eastern coast of Newfoundland, from the northern stretches of Nunavut to the most southern tip of Ontario, and very rarely have I ever heard it pronounced that way. It’s actually really funny as a Canadian to look up “how to speak like a Canadian” and watch how awful most of the “tips” are. I’d recommend it.
A lot of people in the us will misinterpret a rural Ontario accent as Californian because way back in the day a bunch of people from Ontario moved to California and apparently the accent kind of caught on.
There's a town called Ontario in California even.
Afaik, the aboot thing is a regional dialect thing in parts of Ontario.
And, as we know, Toronto represents all Canadians... (or at least thinks they do)
its more like "a-boat". I've never even been to Canada, but I can often spot a Canadian on TV within moments based on how they speak.
It's because everyone's accents have gotten less distinct/strong due to TV. I know people from the US south with barely an accent because of this.
Also, some of the accent stereotype comes from your own movie productions, especially older ones when the accents were more like that:
Granted they are playing this up for their characters
I think "oot" emphasises the difference from US accents for parody reasons, and also it's just not that simple to describe that difference by substituting a single letter of the alphabet. The best way I can think of to describe it (based on experience with friends from BC) is like a combination of "oht" and "oat"
It's exaggerated. I'm from Newfoundland and have little to no regional accent, but still have very slight grammatical and phonetic tells that are apparently obvious to people from elsewhere.
I use more long "O" sounds than people in the US which is apparently obvious almost immediately, and I have some odd grammar whitch apparently singles me out as from NL very quickly to anyone in Canada.
Also, apparently the way I say "thirteen" has a stronger hint of Newfoundland in it than the rest of my speech, at least according to one of my co-workers from Ontario.
It's quite possible that having such a wide ranging family same social circle has simple acclimated you to the various regional differences in dialect.
A boawt
Same, never heard 'aboot' in my life. However, I do tend to say '-eh' all the time, especially at the end of sentences as emphasis.
I think the rest of the world thinks that too
I think that the rest of the world has been thinking that at some level already since shortly after WWII
4 in 10 never trusted them to begin with
The one silver lining to this whole fascist takeover of the US is that I'm not an odd one out in my hatred of the USA anymore. The exceptionalism and arrogance of Americans always weirded me out and I guess this is where that all that shit lead
What’s scary is even the anti-Trump ones are like that. There’s a lot of them trying to come to Canada and they’ll say things like “my great great great grandfather was Canadian, Canada is my TRUE HOME also what’s with all these Chinese immigrants in Vancouver??” like ma’am that Chinese man has probably been here for 3 generations he is more Canadian than you. Don’t get me started on how they’ll pick out certain stereotypes to try to sound more Canadian, like “oh I LOVE poutine and hockey, it must be in my blood because I’m TRES CANADIAN”. Like they genuinely do not get it.
The one silver lining to this whole fascist takeover of the US is that I'm not an odd one out in my hatred of the USA anymore.
I've been saying for a long time that US fascists are only bringing forth America's true face. It has always been arrogant, genocidal, and imperialist. Ask Latin America and the Middle East if they have positive view of the US. Even my country after being liberated from Spanish rule, the US took over us despite opposition and used the same suppression tactic as they had applied to Native Americans. This is in spite of US proclaiming to be the land of the free. "You are not free unless we say so". "Follow the international law and rules based order, except for us". Biden himself affirmed US will invade The Hague if the International Criminal Court arrests any American citizen. He pardoned his son from criminal conviction. But when Trump does it all, that is corruption and illegal? So much for shining beacon on the hill, land of the free and proponent of international law.
The US establishment since inception are closeted fascists from the get-go and doesn't even know it. Now, Trump is bringing to light the truth. And why not? The voters demanded authenticity and this is what they get as asked. In "The Shining", a major theme is America's colonial past and one of the quote is "you've always been the caretaker". The US has always been a fascist but never knew its real face. Where did the word fascism comes from? From Latin "fasces". Where did the words "empire" and "colony" come from? From Latin as well. Where did the US republic model itself? From the Romans, who committed genocide, engaged in slavery, practised imperialism and was hedonistic and heavily unequal as society. From anti- and post-colonial perspective, countries that either modeled itself from the Roman empire or sees itself as the next Rome always collapse-- from the British, Germans, Russians, Spanish, France and now the US.
Wow! That's like fifty percent. Those wacky polls.
They've been taking advantage of us for decades, while we have 10x the resources per capita that they do, and now they want to cry and whine about unfair treatment?
Fuck them. Let them find out.
A country != the population, especially under dictatorship
The United States population democratically elected Donald Trump less than a year ago. Only 30% opposed his election.
At best, you are arguing that 70% of a population does not equal a population.
But let’s move beyond the election.
The US is not yet a dictatorship. That said, the administration is pushing it closer to that point every day. The population still has the power to stop that. What are they doing wield that power? Not much.
I am afraid we disagree strongly on how accountable we need to hold “the population”. They are at best complicit and at worst collaborators. Either way, they should not be defended.
I don't agree. They elected this fool AGAIN, I don't care for the American people as a whole at this point. They're also very unlikely to stand up and protect Transgender people who now, quite literally, have a target on their backs.
Fuck em. I'll never trust an american again.
They sure like taking advantage of our flags to avoid their personal responsibilities instead of properly protesting Washington’s antics for decades.
Stop being imperialist!
It’s easy to tell. Just ask an american to say lieutenant. Spell it out and ask them to say it. I am not going to give it away so they start using it. You will know as we have a very unique way of saying it.
"I can’t help it. It’s who I am. It’s in my nature.” said the American to the Canadian
"This isn't who we are!" cry the Americans, after the political violence that has defined the US since its inception rears its head yet again.
:'(
I wonder how many never trusted them in the first place.
Bingo bango bongo, I don't want to go to Guantanamo. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.
It’s not Guantanamo you gotta worry about. It’s El Salvador and Alligator Auschwitz.
Yeah but that doesn't fit into the rhyming scheme of the song
There is no stauncher enemy than a friend denied
On one hand, fair, on the other hand, I don't want to be here either.
Statesian here. Same.
The headline is just false. Please use words accurately. If you're talking about the government, don't name the citizens instead. Amateur hour.
Explain?
I mean, it looks pretty chock full of facts when you look what the title says and the article...
Title:
6 in 10 Canadians say they can never trust Americans the same way again
The most revealing part of the article:
Six in 10 Canadians (60 per cent) say they can never trust the Americans the same way ever again, the poll found.
Seems the same as the title (to me, at least)
Added bonus pic to really ram home how the title and article are saying the same thing:
Over half of canadians don't trust america anymore, so how is the title false?
As an American, the other 4 out of 10 must be idiots. GOP is on a mission to destroy everything that makes America a superpower.
Maybe they just never trusted America in the first place!