Stop calling it an assassination. It was just another school shooting.

Your SO RUDE and need to be CANCELED FOR THIS!

-Anti Cancel Culture People who Defended the Sandy Hook Shooter because 2A!

If only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that’s only statistics. — Leonard Lyons' Stalin

If you shoot one person you are a murderer. If you kill a couple persons you are a gangster. If you are a crazy statesman and send millions to their deaths you are a hero. — Watertown Daily Times

If schools shootings happen because of gun culture, it a necessary evil that only the radical left would want to oppose. If a political pundit who defended that argument is shot due to the same gun culture, it was the radical left that must have been involved in some way or just took advantage of the shooting by using it to continue to criticize gun culture. — MAGA, probably.

Yern idiot
- Uhuh

The fascist media is pushing the martyr narrative HARD.

I have to use all my strength not to scream at brainwashed family members at how horrid this person was. Mentioning the school shooting that happened on the same day or the MURDER of 2 Minnesotam democrats (and their spouses) usually shuts them up though. I just hate seeing everyone i know getting sucked into this shit. They weren't a good person, they were not improving the world, they were dividing us. I will feel zero empathy for them. As they would have wanted

I'm in the same boat. Nothing is worse than losing loved ones and an entire country to this cult. I wish that we could come together and take down the Cults and propaganda in the same way that we took action against Disney+.
- Yeah it really sucks.
  Unfortunately there is no way I can un brainwash them. The Russian bots on Facebook and fox news have them completely convinced Trans people are coming for their guns and turning all their kids gay. And dump is their savior.
Did a surgeon call it a "miracle" the bullet stopped in Kirk's body, somehow making him Bullet Jesus?
- Yes, Charlie had superman-like bullet stopping strength. Sadly for him, the bullet stopping layer was just behind his carotid artery.
- The dumbest part of that take is there was fucking nobody behind him. Who would it have hit if it did go through?

Stop calling it an assassination. It was just another school shooting.

How are you defining "assassination" and "school shooting"?

Shooting is shooting. Gun go bang. People die.
- Its stupid cuz it was a school shooting, it was also an assassination. It can be, and was.

Ew you should be put on a list. I hope your toes rot off

I lost my feet in the war fighting for your freedoms you cunt
- ....lol wut? Im sorry about that bro. My comment wasn't directed at you homie.
  Nvm it was, im not wearing my glasses.

He was a paid actor!

Yet another example of how hollow and hypocritical all that right wing "somebody think of the children!" rhetoric really is. If he was a child, this likely wouldn't have even made national news

Evidence: the school shooting that happened on the same day
- Which I didn't hear about!
- Weren't there two?
If he was a child, this likely wouldn’t have even made national news
If he was a child of equivalent celebrity, it would have.
This is apples to oranges.
- They say "we really care about apples!"
  I make apple sauce, and apple pie, and maybe a cobbler.
  ~ Crickets ~
  I slice one orange.
  "HOW DARE YOU SLICE THAT ORANGE!!1!"

Don't call it a school shooting. School shootings are sad.

It was sad & tragic even if you disagreed with him. What signal do you think your message is sending out, and how do you think that is helpful?
- A fascist death will never be tragic
- His death was worth it so we can have the 2nd amendment.
- It was sad & tragic even if you disagreed with him.
  Spare me the crocodile tears. He was a stain upon all mankind and pretending it represents any thing other than the lathe of heaven finally delivering a come-uppance is utterly ignorant at best, and deranged and disingenuous at worst. You are apologizing for fascism.
  Self censoring the fact that Kirk was a bad dude who got what he deserved is the thing that does real damage. It doesn't matter if he had kids. Goebell had kids. Mussolini had kids.
  The only tragedy is that the kind of violence required to stop these fascist movements took until things are nigh unfixable to manifest.
- Somehow, I draw the line of sympathy for those who don't advocate for violence.
- Fuck gim and anyone that sympathizes with him. You spew hatred and get shocked when someone, one if their own shoots dipshit Charlie in his fuckin neck, great shot man! They are trying to incite the civil war, that's all this is and was, and will be used for, I can't wait to drink from the skulls of a few Republicans
- Choke on your bad faith arguments, chode.

It’s insane…. Dude was a podcaster. Yea it was sad like it is when anyone dies. Dude didn’t hold any offices or anything. We could talk about what he could have become all day, but all he was, was a podcaster that was passionate about his message. The amount of attention he is getting is ridiculous… as if he was a past president.

He also paid for buses of people to go to the January insurrection too. Don't sell his accomplishments short.
- and called for Biden's execution
- And he did not go there himself? What a shocker. Just another manipulator playing the Sheep.
Because it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with any excuse to accelerate fascism.
he was, was a podcaster that was passionate about his message
And his message was awful, and he was exploiting college kids to create controversial content for his social media business.
- So, a podcaster then?
Shitposting podcaster, hate monger, using falsities to acheive social ills.
Plenty of people podcast without doing any of that, to say he was a podcaster kind of ignores the fact that he was a Nazi youth organizer.
I hate hearing this. He was not just 'a podcaster' or just 'a guy who gave his opinons' he was one of the biggest political organizers of one of the most disgusting american political movements. His entire life was dedicated to radicalizing youths to vote for trump.
they want to martyr him, that's why.
He was part of the culture wars, thats why his assassination is great for all the grifter who keep pushing this story. Keep it going, make it worse. To them hes a hero who stops bullets with his super man bullets, to others hes hitler and deserved far worse. The main point of him now, is to get as much monetisation as possible from his death before the next thing comes along, and we get to start the culture war batter check list all over again. Probably a video game release will be the next great hill to die on lol.
Yea it was sad
Fuck off.
- I'm an atheist so I do think it's unfortunate when people die because I believe we only get one shot at life. We don't go to cloud city and do jello shots with Jesus.
  That said, Kirk getting shot is clearly a case of fuck around/find out.
  If you cuddle with a rabid badger, don't be surprised if it bites you.
- Fuck off because you don’t think it was sad? Or you think it was more than sad?

It was a school shooting in that it was a shooting that occurred at a place of education AND it was an assassination in that it meets the definition of assassination

The murder of a person (esp. a prominent public figure) in a planned attack, typically with a political or ideological motive, sometimes carried out by a hired or professional killer; a murderous attack of this kind.

Edit: For those downvoting me, please explain (in non emotive language) why you disagree.

Tis a joke
I'm not downboating you myself, but - on one hand you're not technically wrong - the collection of facts about that day supports both statements
The point being made by the original poster is that this event isn't something shocking and unique, it's something that was statistically bound to happen.
Fox and their conservative sphere have been mastering the art of 'spin' for decades. That is, they've found that you can take a collection of facts and make any number of stories, just by changing which details are empathized. Indeed, they've made this about the attack, and have used it to advance their agenda. Your statement is a 'both sides' thing and that too plays into their hand - that's why you're being downvoted. This post is about changing the narrative, not just adding details to conservative spin.
- This could not have been explained better. I hope that lemmy doesn't turn into another troll infestation.

School shootings are just something you're going to have to live with in a country with a gun culture. I think I heard that somewhere.

That's what MAGA tells me. Thoughts and prayers are the answer.
Not defend Kirk, but you didnt hear it anywhere. But you would have read it plenty.
The actual quote is this: “You will never live in a society where you have an armed citizenry and you won’t have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It’s drivel. But ... I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.”
He gave more context to his point of view here: “Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price -- 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That’s a price. You get rid of driving, you’d have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving -- speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. … We should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.”
I personally dont like the analogy here, as it doesnt take into account that driving a car has lots of safe guards in place. You have to register your car in every state. You have to take lessons and pass a test in order to be able to drive. In some places in the US, you can just walk into a gun show, and walk out armed to the teeth with zero checks.
In any argument, details matter.
- Also, people buy cars to drive them. Deaths and injuries are not the purpose of a car.
- Cars also have very obvious uses besides harming people.

Shooting someone talking at an American Comeback thing is the ultimate American comeback.

What if his neck just does that sometimes

If it's a legitimate shooting, the body has ways of rejecting the bullet. He clearly wanted this. That's why he was acting so provocatively.

I don't see what a man who had a malfunctioning neck fountain has to do with shootings and assassinations.

not convinced he wasnt a forced martyr. there was another angle behind him where a flash was seen, and then a projectile was recorded mid flight behind him. also a 30-06 would have blown his neck clean apart. he would be looking like he was nearly headless nick if he was lucky. but suddenly "its a miracle there was no exit wound" from 30-06......at about 150 to 200 yards? even if the recorded muzzle flash behind him, and the projectile caught mid flight behind him was doctored. theres no way a 30-06 would just "stop" in his neck with a small hole like that. physics would simply not allow it.

what they describe happening, and what we saw. would make sense for a 22lr or maaaaaaybe a 9mm. but thats also pushing it.

nah man. either they are lying abour the caliber and gun, the shooter, or the whole fucking thing.

also, trumps "attempted assassination" was staged as fuck. someone had to die to make it look real. the cavitation that would happened to his ear would have shattered all the cartilage in it, his ear would have been absolutely mangled. but it was magically healed withour a scar a few weeks later.

this whole admin is based on lies, never trust the story they present.

I would argue that a 150 grain 30-06 could do something like this. That's a pretty popular deer hunting round, and I don't know that it would go through a vertebrae. Certainly wouldn't almost decapitate him. 220 grain would probably exit I think, but again it wouldn't almost decapitate him. There really isn't enough in the neck to go flying everywhere.
That's just me guessing from decades of hunting deer, elk, and bear with a 30-06. I don't do neck shots though.
- https://youtu.be/fFjWC6EP4wc
  heres a 30-06 hitting a ballistic gel head with skull inside it.
  blows the thing completely apart.
  if it hit him in the neck, it would have blown a massive chunk out. at minimum.
- I've drilled high-quality, 3/8" steel plates with 30.06. Can't say how many grains, but it looked like it was drill pressed.
  There's a lot of stink around what the FBI has said, but I watched some frame-by-frame shots and his throat clearly expands, big time. Wasn't a .22, but I still can't believe a 30.06, of any load, wouldn't tear him up far worse. I'll defer to your hunting experience, all I've done is target shoot.
Absolutely with you on the Kirk thing. This is rather eye opening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltakvGyzfZs&rco=1
As to Trump, it's not like he got blasted through the ear. Either the bullet or a busted piece of teleprompter chipped him. Any head wound will bleed like mad, and a little ding on the ear would heal quickly. I've cut myself shaving my ear and it bled nicely, healed quickly. Go watch some of those videos where they shot a pig ear. It just punched a neat hole. After all, there's no liquid in your cartilage to cavitate.

Classic republicans. Only pissed off and do something when it affects them or is a threat to them.

I don't think they'd care that much if the victims were peasant class republicans. Not unless they could pin it up on some minority, of course.
- Truthfully, I don't think they care about CK. They only care what the narrative can do for their agenda.