Does this mean I can stop stuffing my face with olives now

Netherlands doesn't represent the whole europe. This isn't the cycling/public transport utopia you think it is.

The suicide rate obviously has multiple contributing factors, but access to firearms is absolutely one of them. There's multiple studies on this that will come up in a quick web search. In general, access to anything that makes suicide more impulsive increases the suicide rate. I say this as a person who absolutely believes that access to firearms should be the default state for those that want it.

This is a myth. The suicide rate in Japan is lower than the US, and similar to European countries. South Africa, Russia, and Korea have bonkers suicide rates.

Opportunity and desire both contribute to rate. Firearms increase opportunity so more of those with desire will try. Some cultures also give more people the desire so more attempts will be made using other methods. It is not either or.

Apples and oranges. Japan has an insane work culture that leads to burnout and depression, and therefore more suicides. Not sure why Uruguay has such a high suicide rate, but they also have a completely different culture than both America and Japan. The method in which you take your life is less important if you are intent on taking your own life. Guns make it super easy.

Access to firearms increases the rate of suicide. He may have worded it poorly but the point stands. The fact that other countries have worse rates of suicide without firearms notwithstanding, because if they had access to firearms, it would be even higher.

For the alcohol question, I'm actually very interested in seeing a stat of solitary drinking vs social drinking, and how it affects these statistics.

For instance I know parts of Europe still hold a very strong comraderie "pub culture." Alcohol is involved but so are strong social bonds.

The U.S has lately been making lots of quips about "wine moms" driven to sneak cheap chardonnay from the top cabinet, as well as the cliché portrayal of "working man who is so chewed up and burned out he needs a whisky and TV to sleep."

Not a fan of heavy drinking in general, but I hypothesize alcohol paired with isolation is much more likely to result in abuse and depression.

Absolutely. Sorry for the long post because I struggle to pare it all down but:

The suicide rate AND the homicide rate is because we live in an inhuman society that, underneath all the transparent PR, is practically egging you on to "just do it already."

• It tells us that "unless you have money and power, which strip you of your humanity, you don't matter, and in fact, nothing else does either." We're then shocked when people act like psychopaths.
• Everything once held sacred is now deconstructed with the most cynical of irony, after it's been perverted and exploited for profit, of course. Traditions, communal rituals, the very concept of family, things that once held peoples together are now ridiculed and discarded.
• People see everything through the lens of a transaction, even romantic relationships, even marriages. We're encouraged to be slaves to our egos and "pursue" fleeting happiness at all costs.
• People are encouraged to see each other by their different labels, and tribe up against other labels, because that sells more plastic garbage.
• Social media empires pervade our waking lives and manipulate us into releasing a ridiculous amount of cortisol that would shock our ancestors.
• Our jobs are totalitarian dictatorships that we're forced to volunteer in so we can bother to exist within our borders of a country that is "so great and free."
• Everyone is very suspicious of everyone else. It's rude form to just go introduce yourself and talk to someone. It's harassment unless you're meeting other people through some commercialized app. If someone comes up and talks to you out of the blue, they probably have some kind of angle.

Ultimately.... Guns don't go off by themselves. We could have 10x as many guns in this country, hand em' out for free even, and, barring negligence and stupidity, suicides and homicides would still drop dramatically if people weren't constantly DARED to use them every second of their existence. On themselves, on "others."

Our media also glorifies weaponry as some kind of ultimate problem-solver. So much power to change something, ANYTHING, at the pull of a trigger. And so many people are so desperate to just affect something.

If they had access to education, care, mental wellness, actually felt like they mattered, and weren't obviously seen to just be batteries and cattle by the ones designing and "influencing" this culture. Those guns wouldn't go off nearly so often.

When we have teenagers and young adults contemplating their own deaths because a contented existence seems so out of touch and the struggle for better so hopeless, what happened??

But the conversation seems to be less "How do we make a world where people DON'T wish to kill themselves or others so often?" And more "How do we stop them from doing it?"

Which, at its most idealistic extreme, will simply produce a hell-world of limbless, miserable torso-brains with no way out of misery.

Every day we carry on and try to love our neighbors, and make anything just a bit better, and forgive our enemies, and be content with what things we own, is a radical act of defiance against the principalities and powers that feed on the cultivation of our very worst selves.

The Gym of Life

Not saying it's enough to be in the best shape of your life but it's really good for you.

Probably more like

-glyphosate adulterated with some flour, wilted veggies but who will notice once they are cooked.

-Old sandwich meat that has been returned, scrubbed, and re-mashed into pepperoni (my mom worked at a plant that actually did this)

-mixture of mostly palm and other oils, not guaranteed to be from plants and perfumed, branded as extra virgin olive oil for a markup over the same thing without perfume sold as vegetable oil.

Side note: fuck palm oil as much as fuck nestle.

Edit: why does formatting suck with every Lemmy app.

• two hamburgers for protein
• iceberg lettuce for vegetables
• cheese, more proteins
• special sauce - vitamins
• onions and pickles- veggies
• bun with sesame seeds - more veggies

McD’s serves a complete Mediterranean meal and no one talks about that!

Welcome to Europe, comrade!

Turns out there's more than just those 6 people in America.

The American diet is uniquely awful. Your social group is likely to include people in a similar socioeconomic position to you. If that means those people are eating lots of vegetables and clean fats then congratulations, you're doing pretty well.

That does not describe the diet of most Americans. It's rich in refined carbohydrates, "dirty" fats, processed meat, and very few vegetables, and the primary vegetable is the potato,, which is also essentially just another carbohydrate. It's better than deep fried flour, but not by much.

Pizza, all things considered, is fine, practically healthy, compared to the cheeseburger and fries that makes up the typical lunch for many Americans.

Most of the food we have easy, cheap access to is arguably addictive, high carbohydrate, low in nutrient, and generally just bad for you.

Which is why we have an obesity crisis and some of the worst rates of diabetes in the world.

We're talking about the more than half of America that is fat and sometimes diabetic.

Those people are less healthy than people who eat no processed food

Ed. Updated to make it more clear I'm not claiming most Americans are diabetic

And pretty surely along with a lot of sugar and other bad shit. Anyone outside the US very easily sees how much crap is in your food, and how fat and unhealthy a disturbing amount of people are. Eating cheap in most of the world is usually pretty healthy, but in the US the accepted quality of fast food is very low so eating cheap usually becomes just eating that. And then there's high-fructose corn syrup in almost everything, which isn't the case anywhere else. And really weird shit like sugar in peanut butter, what the fuck?

Urban Romans also tend to walk a lot more than the typical American does, and as it turns out, walking every day is extremely effective at combating weight gain and diabetes.

Why is sodium bad?

This is the only reason I pace myself. That and if I'm going to binge I'll rinse them first.

Good point--they make a terrific snack in the office or on the go! 30 to 40 olives.... mmmmm

Why do you think Doug Doug chugs olive oil, like full bottles of it, on streams sometimes

I'm okay with it as long as the taste isn't overpowering.

Worth it.

Ummm Olives and Olive Oil are good for you and does lead to better health outcomes.

Best I can do is olive flavored canola oil.

No one is saying Olive in place of healthcare though. Just pointing out that you may not need as much health care if you eat right and Europeans eat better than Americans.

Mostly a UK problem though. Source: British living in EU

They charge it because they can. No it wasn't plastic surgery or anything. And yep it took less than 15 minutes. Private Healthcare is robbery.

It is also much cheaper. The US spends double the amount of money per capita on healthcare than compareable western european countries.

Universal healthcare is so much more efficient. When Obama was asked why he just wanted to do the ACA and not universal healthcare he said, that there is 3 million jobs in the adminsitrative side of private health insurance, that would fall away otherwise. But those people could work other jobs and provide a benefit to the economy. The inefficiency of the US system is insane.

Garbage conservative misinformation whether on purpose or not.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/

The US spends wildly more per capita on healthcare than any other country and we have worse outcomes and worse service. Of course you still have to pay for public healthcare, it is much, much less expensive though. The US is wildly overpaying for worse healthcare due to corruption and market failure.

Bub. Including the amount I end up paying for Healthcare, they take way over a third of my paycheck.

Edit- also hold up, you still get pensions over there??

oh. Vox. that's definitive.

Anecdotalish, but I'm not american. People I know work in the states for a period of time tend to mention they gain weight while in the states for a time, and then lose it when they get home, back to baseline, and they really can't quite put their finger on why. I figure corn syrup. It's like as subtle as the HP sauce, the stuff in England has a different recipe than the American, white vinegar, orange juice concentrate, corn syrup etc in the American one, basically cheaper ingedients, the English original has a subtler, less vinegar harsh, smokier flavour.

In the UK they sometimes send you to private hospitals for routine stuff, hip replacements, cataract surgery, and then just pay for it themselves and only the complicated surgeries are done by NHS staff.

And the prupose of the underfunding is to create the conditions on which to sell a fully privatized healthcare system to the population.

I love when you're concerned about something with your health, the Internet can't immediately diagnose it, and your doctor's next 5-minute-window is in eight months, and you can't just go to another doctor because that's a whole drawn out process changing your "primary care provider" within your insurance that...oh, it just went up again suddenly for no reason? Hope you're within that window to switch insurers...oh they don't deal with your new provider, time to cancel that appointment and find another one.

It's ok, this only will take you 2 months of phone-tag and broken websites and emails stuffed into the tiny space between work and sleep. (Remember all the offices are closed on weekends!)

Phew! You've done it! ...Next opening is in 8 months. :D

It's such a perfect and amazing system. We're so privileged to have the unbridled, uninhibited, envy-of-the-planet freedom we're gifted with personally by the blood of lots of our troops we send to die in far off lands over the decades or something like that. /s

(For their sacrifice BTW they get slightly lower wait times and better care....maybe....? Roll the dice.)

I think it is a bit unfair to speak of rose colored glasses there.

There is many people in the US who simply cannot afford an ambulance being called for them, if they are in a serious health situation. The people that have "rose colored" glasses in this context are the people whose options are "any healthcare" and "no healthcare".

Not sure how long ago you lived in the US, but things have changed in terms of doctor availability and wait times in the past decade or two. Many people can't even find a GP because theirs retired (or stopped taking their insurance), and literally no other doctor near them that is in their network is currently taking on new patients. I'm not sure it's any better here anymore in terms of wait times.

This is incorrect.

We are overpaying for lower quality healthcare.

We have worse outcomes than countries with free healthcare.

As my father used to say "it may be bad, but it's expensive."

Yes the exception is places like Massachusetts, which has some of the best quality healthcare in the world. But, you guessed it, they have a universal healthcare system similar to Germany.

Yes, UK.

I'm against further privatisation as the competition it was meant to create just led to inefficiency. Example: public health providers now hire sales staff to win them contacts. Also data sharing became difficult between areas.