China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals

when Russia becomes the third world nation in a proxy war.

Just an endless slew of clickbait "China bad" headlines all the time. Really makes you wonder about if there is some sort of systemic problem with western media.

Whaaat? But China said they weren't doing that. China wouldn't just lie like that, would it?

Yes, if you go to aliexpress, you could buy Chinese made helicopter, drones and metals. Thank you the telegraph for the basic info

China: sends Russia six helicopters (before the war), some children's toys, a box of consumer-grade hunting scopes, and metal. They are the bad guys who are prolonging the war.

NATO: sends Ukraine weapons and military vehicles worth more than China's entire military budget, and provides training and logistics support. They are the good guys trying to end the war.

Focusing on Chinese drones that end up in Russia while completely ignoring the Chinese drones that end up in the Ukraine is some cherry picking I expected from the Telegraph. Products and components are made in China, which shouldn't come as a surprise.

The Telegraph is the only one reporting this, we're supposed to believe a sensationalist conservative tabloid?

China is widely suspected of supplying Russia with equipment and materials to support their war, however no-one has adduced anything concrete to support that theory so far.

The article itself doesn't cite much in the way of sources or evidence, other than mentioning a report by Molfar, the open source intelligence agency. Molfar has published reports on the same topic in the past, but there hasn't been anything recently.

If the Telegraph had new information or evidence they would be shouting a lot louder than this. This is most likely them covering up for a quiet day by dredging up some old rumours and repackaging them as news.

telegraph getting upset about free markets?

Beijing issued a 12-point “peace statement” earlier this year that rehashed its position and did not propose any solutions to ending the war.

You obviously didn't read it then...

Ukrainians also get shipped Chinese consumer drones to configure into weapons and Holosuns, so I think it evens out

Telegraph: “One Chinese company sent 1,000 drones to Russia in the two months before the war, according to figures compiled by Molfar Global, an open source research organisation. That firm, Shantou Honghu Plastics, describes itself as a wholesaler of children’s toys on its website and social media profiles.”

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/21/1164977056/a-chinese-drone-for-hobbyists-plays-a-crucial-role-in-the-russia-ukraine-war

"The Ukrainians, and the Russians too, have figured out ways to modify these devices they've purchased online to make more and more creative ways to drop explosives from these small consumer drones,"

Telegraph: “Chinese firms have also sent optical sights to more than 50 Russian companies from the start of 2022 through the first quarter of this year. Imports of these products nearly doubled to $2.5 million last year, compared to the one prior.”

https://news.yahoo.com/budget-optics-becoming-combat-proven-212202739.html (it’s yahoo citing Reddit sources and just doing trust me bro, but if Ukraine bought Chinese drones, buying Holosuns isn’t exactly hard to believe)

More informative source: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/07/25/holosun-optics-on-ukranian-aks/ (lol, a crowdfunding project funding a country’s military is sad, and the fact they could only upgrade 30 guns is even more sad. In 2014 too during the coup)

However, large numbers of Holosun optics have been fielded during the defense of Ukraine. During the war, they have been seen on AK-style rifles, AR-style rifles and even machine guns. While the battlefield performance of the optics is difficult to verify, Ukrainian troops continue to field them. Even bodyguards for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy have been seen using Holosun optics. Outside of Ukraine, the Estonian Defence Forces use Holosun optics on their LMT R-20 assault rifles.

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Probably not for long given the state of the Rouble and the economy. Tech-wise Russia has nothing to offer and when it comes to the stuff China might be interested in, such as ores and oil, well you'd have to not send miners to the front to continue producing them. That Russia of all countries is importing metals should make you stop and think.

Lenin is rotating in his mausoleum.

Dual-use goods

Such goods are classified as dual-use, meaning they also have civilian purposes, allowing China to skirt international sanctions and claim that it conducts only legal trade with Russia

The "international sanctions" btw:

You can't just unilaterally decree someone can't be traded dual use goods

China should declare a policy that they will sell to Russia whatever the US or NATO sells to the separatists on Taiwan Island.

Helicopters, drones, and metals they won't be able to use at Taiwan.

whaat ? China sending weapons to Russia !?

Not metals!

The West is just going to have to be the first side to master dominion over the psi-powered mind worms.

Where is that NPC user CanadaPlus from lemmy.ca, who was doubting Russia has China and India as serious allies?

Western media (good) says China bad and refuses to provide evidence. More at 11.

I wonder if this'll lead to any sort of action against China. Generally people have thought that China wouldn't outright support Russia with war materials because they can't afford to be sanctioned by "the West", as they're much more reliant on trade with the EU and US

Would those unspecified metals be of good quality or is there a risk they might be the sub-par stuff that is said to be exported by unscrupulous Chinese companies?

There is no surprise that communist China would and is supplying their northern neighbor.

If anyone is actually surprised about this, then maybe they'll be surprised when I give them an amazing deal of being able to buy the official deed to the Golden Gate Bridge for only $300 and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps. Just constant me at 123-456-7890 for details.

does China have a choice?