Star Wars – The Phantom Menace: still terrible after all these years?
Star Wars – The Phantom Menace: still terrible after all these years?
The much-derided film returns to cinemas for its 25th anniversary. Once a rare blot on the galactic landscape, these days it’s far from the only stinker in the canon
Can it really be that there are Star Wars fans who see George Lucas’s Episode I – The Phantom Menace, once considered the emblem of everything that went wrong with the long-running space saga, as a bona fide classic ripe for rehabilitation 25 years on? As the much-derided 1999 film returns to cinemas this weekend, there are rumblings in the ether that millennials, and perhaps those even younger, are completely unaware of just how much of a disaster it was. Then again, perhaps those of us who remember its debut in cinemas should be prepared to listen to voices from a new generation. Was it really so bad after all?
Part of the problem is that where it was once a rare blot on the galactic landscape, a Star Wars movie that failed to live up to the glories of the original trilogy, these days it’s far, far away from being the only rubbish film in the canon. In fact, it could be argued that when considering movies such as the execrable The Rise of Skywalker, the middling Solo: A Star Wars Story and the two painful prequel follow-ups, The Phantom Menace is closer to the mean average for the saga than it is to the bottom of the Dagobah swamp.
Where once we were shocked that something so tonally misguided, blithely racist and prosaically bloodless could be tagged with the famous title, we now have the Star Wars Holiday Special to remind us that it can get worse. Back at the turn of the century, few of us were aware that 70s and 80s misfires like this even existed – see also Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor – it being the pre YouTube era when all but the most studious of geeks were blissfully ignorant of them.
You know why Qui-Gon is the only Star Wars character to stay dead from a gut-stab?
Man was exhausted from carrying the entire film.
Liam Neeson single handedly makes TPM more watchable than either AOTC or ROTS.
37Just watched it. This is almost correct. The other thing carrying it is the soundtrack of course.
21KORAH MATAH!
KORAH RAHTAMAH!(I just got done performing this piece in three concerts in 26 hours, between May 3rd and 4th. 😅)
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Because he didn't fully go force ghost. There are some parts of the clone wars show he voiced over and did manage to appear in force strong locations.
5I think Phantom Menace is the best of the 3, but the thing I always find surprising when watching the other two is how freaking engaged I am when Obi-wan is on screen. Seriously, Ewan McGregor so freaking good that I'm just whisked away on whatever exploration of this foreign universe he's doing. Then Anakin speaks and rips me right back to reality.
If Liam Neeson carries TPM, Ewan McGregor should be crowned Mr. Universe for carrying AOTC and ROTS
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Still terrible? Well . . . yeah.
20Honestly I grew up on 1 and I was just coming of age to watch 2 and 3 as they released. I love 1 to this day. I like the politics, I like the worlds, I like the Jedi and the droids and the soundtrack.
Little of the dialogue sticks out like a thorn to me, and although jar jar and some of the more comedic choices are a bit out of place for me they seem consistent and within the world (jar jar coming off as an idiot from his culture).
Idk. I get when boomers tell me they hate it but comparing it to Disney star wars and I still place it above most SW films.
17This is how I am as well, I think there are dozens of us who feel this way but most of us are closeted because it's so popular to hate on Episode 1.
9It's part of the reason why the sequel series lands so flat for me. The prequel trilogy expanded the galaxy of star wars in so many interesting ways. New worlds, species, technology, etc. The Sequels really don't add anything from a world building perspective, they actually make the galaxy feel even smaller.
6Lol I've always imagined the loudest haters are people who grew up with the EU and we're disappointed when GL took it a different way. And then their kids probably inherited those beliefs but not necessarily because they formed them themselves.
Most people I talk to IRL who love star wars love all 6 films plus RO. Love I guess is a strong word. Like - love. The prequels have too much swagger, too many banger scores, too many stunning visuals and concepts and characters to not love em. And sure the CW TV series really helps some character arcs, but that just goes to show how solid of a base there was.
I admit they have flaws. 2 always has such a down turn of energy for me, but it is what it is. Top 7 star wars films for sure lol.
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Same here, I was 9 when episode 1 dropped and I grew up with the prequels. I loved them, used my pocket money for the merchandise and video games. Even my father who grew up with the OT loved them just because he saw how much joy they gave me. I only learned later on the internet, that you were supposed to hate them. I don't care, I rewatch them annually and will soon show them to my kids.
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I mean it was never good. The writing is childish and basic. While the action and effects are cool, they really needed some better writing and less cheese.
17Having a huge love for the original trilogy, could a new film possibly have any chance with the hype that came before it.
Short answer, no.
I rewatched the prequel trilogy a few years ago, hadn't watched them for over a decade. In my opinion, Phantom Menace actually comes out best of the three. Possibly because there's a lot of practical work and the following films were pushing a lot of early digital and it hasn't held up well.
14I think 1 spent a lot of time world building. It makes sense since it was the "first" film, and I think that's it's largest issue. It's slow compared to the other films, and in a time where everyone wanted action that's bad. Modern media is much more in favor of spending time on world building.
That said, Jar Jar is horrible. He singlehandedly makes me think this opinion might be wrong and they're just bad. I don't know how the hell they let him happen, but every moment with him on screen is painful.
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They should re-make Episodes 1-3 and do what they should have done the first time -- reveal Jar Jar as a Sith Lord at the end of the trilogy.
12Just tag 5 minutes on the end where Darth Jar Jar reveals his plan (how Palpatine was his apprentice all along) then have him fight Kelleran Beq.
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The Phantom Menace is closer to the mean average for the saga than it is to the bottom of the Dagobah swamp.
It's the eighth or ninth best Star Wars film, which, I suppose, does put it in the middle and it has some great scenes but it's really only buoyed up by some stinkers
10What movies are you including to get 8th or 9th to the middle of the pack?
Anything beyond the 9 Skywalker Saga movies and 2 Anthology movies seems like it would be pushing it.
7Holiday Special and the Ewok movies, as mentioned in thr excerpt. I was feeling generous because of the day.
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Yeah, still bad. The difference now is that basically 90% of the lines in the prequel movies have been turned into memes.
9No, shit movies somehow magically get better if you wait.
7The prequels revived the franchise while the Disney movies nearly killed it. So it can always be worse.
6It's ripe for a remake maybe. Without the lizard clown and the whole podracing quest line, it made for an alright short film that could be extended to a feature length movie.
4Podracing is fucking awesome, a beautiful homage to old-school Formula 1, and I will fight anyone who doesn’t like it. 😉
2Right?? Was some of the only good shit in that movie
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I also was disappointed back when it came out. Yet, the prequels are great in world building. And I like that they do their own thing, not just copy the original trilogy. It would probably have been much better with a writer and director not being Lucas himself.
312 hours. Is it worth it? I started it, seems interesting, but I'll probably watch it over the next few days
2I watched it over the course of a couple days and thought it was very good. If you're into Star Wars nerdery, he goes for some deep cuts.
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Terrible? Yes. The worst Star Wars movie? Very debatable. Especially if they had bothered to make Episodes 8 and 9.
3I always watch The Cloak of Deception instead. Not sure if I'll ever go back to the original.
3Read the Darth Plagueis novel. It isn't technically canon, but it makes TPM tolerable as it was written after the fact.
0as it was written after the fact.
Like most of the plot of the franchise.
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It all just comes down to which ones you watched first. I, like others here, watched the prequels first so I love them. All the old heads here can bitch and moan all they want about how the prequels are horrible or how they kickstarted the dark path that is now Disney Star Wars, but I'll tell them to shut their mouths. The prequels are fine, yes they're full of cheese, but they're also full of heart and world building. You can still enjoy something while acknowledging that it has flaws.
Take the old argument of Star Trek vs. Star Wars, I prefer Star Wars even with its flaws and shortcomings.
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