Pope uses homophobic slur in meeting with bishops — reports
Pope uses homophobic slur in meeting with bishops — reports
Italian media has said that the pope used a highly derogatory slur against LGBTQ+ people at a bishops conference. The remark may sour attempts by the pope to make the church more welcoming.
Italian media has said that the pope used a highly derogatory slur against LGBTQ+ people at a bishops conference. The remark may sour attempts by the pope to make the church more welcoming.
Pope Francis allegedly used a highly offensive term to refer to LGBTQ+ people during a closed-door meeting with Italian bishops, Italian media reported on Tuesday.
The major Italian daily newspapers La Repubblica and Corriere della Sera both cited anonymous sources as saying that the pope had made the remark while reiterating his position against gay people becoming priests.
The 87-year-old pontiff was reported as saying that the Catholic seminaries were already too full of "frociaggine" — a highly derogatory term in Italian.
It's interesting that we have documented cases of homosexuality in thousands of different species, and yet not a single other species that practices Catholicism.
Being gay is more natural than being Catholic.
126There's this saying “a fish is caught through its mouth,” and this is an illustration of what it means. This pope might present this ‘cool’, ‘modern’ image to the public, but his words spoken in private amongst his peers reveals his real stance about these things.
Edit: proofreading.
53Former Catholic, now atheist. I’m glad the Pope is making some progressive steps in the Catholic Church including the LGTBQ+ community.
I hope this was a misstep, and the case of a 90-year old man from a different country using language that he was not aware is a slur. I really really hope that, or else all that good will was for nothing.
49Don't hold out hope
19Look, apologist for people who justify raping small children, then slur was intentional, and you’re being eye-rolling naive in the most generous reading of your comment
-1The world is a much better place if you don't whip yourself into a frenzy at every opportunity.
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He has since issued an apology:
“The Pope never intended to offend or express himself in homophobic terms, and he extends his apologies to those who felt offended by the use of a term, as reported by others,” the Vatican said in a Tuesday statement.
“As he (Pope Francis) has said on several occasions, ‘in the Church there is room for everyone, everyone! No one is useless, no one is superfluous, there is room for everyone. Just as we are, everyone.’”
Seems like they’re playing it off as “grandpa had a woopsie”.
39Italian isn’t his first language, so it’s possible, but I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt.
21All things considered, I am. He’s old, Italian isn’t his first language, and he has a history of progressive changes in favor of the lgbtq+ community. I’m more inclined to believe it was a mistake than to think it was intentional or malicious. Especially given how quickly an apology has been issued.
30That specific word in Italian has multiple meanings, one of which being something like "excessive/useless detail or addition, especially when done for the cool factor only" and another being "gayness".
Without the full context of the sentence, it's very hard to say what he meant or what he was saying.
Of course the word is still originating from the slur and shouldn't be used by the pope, but it's technically possible that wasn't even used in relation to any minority (just as much as the opposite)
Unless I missed some extra info or source that has the full context, it's hard to say
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Intentional? Or old man being old?
17The dude is ancient; half his vocabulary as a child is probably a slur by this point.
31This is something more people need to remember.
The level of casual racism and sexism in the past is staggering when looked at from today, but was no big deal at the time.
"Mr. Mom" a movie about the insane idea of having a man doing childcare, came out in 1983.
"Fu Manchu" with Peter Sellers doing yellowface came out in 1980.
19At least.
3There are people I am willing to give benefit of the doubt to about certain issues and people I am not. You are right, old age happens, and I am positive some word I am using today will be a slur in the future.
The thing is I will have a lifetime of evidence proving what I was about, so people will assume good faith.
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But I guarantee people will still call him "Cool Pope."
It's all been an act.
14He is the "cool pope"... when compared the literal Nazi one before him or the sexual predator protecting one before that. They are all horrible, this one happens to be the least horrible in a long time...possibly ever. Less horrible is still horrible.
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For those wondering, the word can be roughly translated in english as ::: spoiler Faggotry :::
Esit: can't figure out how to mark something as spoiler correctly
12Noun - - frociaggine - - (plural frociaggini)
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(vulgar, derogatory) f a g g o t r y
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So, instead of saying, "Catholic seminaries were already too full of [bundle of sticks]" instead he meant to say that "Catholic seminaries were already too full of homosexuals". I'm not sure fixing the one word helps his message or is actually even the problem.
The term he used is being censored on here so I used a substitute.
12The woke pope ain't that woke
11well, compared to the last hitler youth....
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This really isnt any different than Grandpa calling the cashier at the Piggly Wiggly a 'colored'.
10The leader of an oppressive organized religion? Using slurs? Say it ain't so!
8FUCK THE POPE, the old geriatric fuck.
7I heard many bishops were offended and took it as a personal attack.
4Few things, 1 He has done a lot for the LGBTQ community when it comes to the church ( allows the community to be blessed in church, supporting them to join the church).
2 I'm sure these was released by a "concerned" bishop instead of someone pissed at him.
3 Fuck all religion but the leaders need to follow his public example and support the LGBTQ community. Instead they stoke the flames. Be as rasicts, homophobic, or whatever as you want in your private life, I dont give 2 fucks. This coming from someone that looks white but is mix and grew up in Tennessee. Its when they try and push their shit on everyone else that i have an issue.
3wow he's so great, he let's LGBTQ people exist in the church's vicinity.
3He could be calling for their deaths or blaming them for everything. Progress is done by small changes not massive changes. Is he still shitty, yes. Is he better than most other popes, yes.
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Yes, that slur lol
3It's Italian for "/f@ggotness"
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I see no problem in our current strategy of letting senile old people run the world....
2So instead of saying, "
1Did Popey Mc Pope get all fatty Mc fat? Too much pasta me thinks
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