1y ago

That is an act of cruelty towards the poor pokémon

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Gnome devs : we broke the toilet extension. Your pokemons have nowhere to shit and piss.
Pokemon trainers : why the fuck is the toilet an extension. Shouldn't it be part of the DE?
Gnome devs : we believe the toilet feature is unnecessary, so it wasn't and will never be implemented.
Note : I've barely used gnome in my life so it's based on memes I've seen about gnome.
- The only thing you got wrong is that the toilet extension would be a third-party thing, and Gnome devs would actively insult anyone who dared be upset they broke it.
  
  I was gonna say that it was a third party extension, but then I thought that gnomes users would infer that pretty easily.
- Long time Gnome user here: I like the general Gnome simplicity of use and workflow and got used to it, but I'm really tired of having to install extensions for very basic things, and of it messing all my extensions on each version upgrade, so I have to reinstall everything. I started experimenting with KDE, and looking forward to cosmic.
  
  It's close to alpha! I don't think it'll be in a good enough state for me (Nvidia GPU), but maybe someday.
  
  I tend to flip flop, I like some things in GNOME better, but the lack of customization always brings me back to KDE after a while (Plasma, whatever)
  
  When I first started on Linux with Fedora probably a little over 15 years ago, I used gnome just because it was different. At some point I played with Enlightenment, and now I use KDE. It was different when I was more interested in screwing around with my system. Now that I use it for work, I just need everything to be as reliable, persistent, and easy as possible. I haven't used gnome in many years, but I hear these stories all the time and I just don't want to deal with something that'll wrench my workflow when I have other shit to do and no time to play diagnostics.
  
  Yeah, Cosmic looks really nice. Their app store interface needs a bit of modernization work, but otherwise, it looks well polished.
  
  Do you know how vim has distributions like lunarvim, lazvim, nvchad, etc.? Simply installing something like lazyvim can quickly and easily convert vim from a text editor to a full blown IDE.
  I think Gnome needs something like this. A curated set of plugins that are easy to install and maintain compatibility with different versions of Gnome - something that would deal with the API churn in Gnome while maintaining a stable, usable desktop environment.
  I don't know if this is feasible, because I haven't used Gnome since 2.x, but I think it would really help make it an actual full blown DE.
  
  Can I ask what extensions you are using in gnome?
  
  I only tried GNOME long enough to see how crap it is, and have been a happy KDE user for years.
  
  I went the other way. I liked the simplicity, and thought what about MORE simplicity? I went to i3 and haven't really looked back yet.
- It's more like, there is one way to go to the toilet but it involves going into a small porcelain cup. They refuse to admit that's not practical, or that it doesn't work for everybody, or allow people to use anything else. You will use the little porcelain cup no matter how absurd it is and that's it.
  
  Wrong. If an extension for your need isn't enough, you can very simply just use another DE. No one is entitled to random free custom development work
- Note : I’ve barely used gnome in my life so it’s based on memes I’ve saw about gnome
  and it shows
  
  2 other responses I got confirmed that such thing happens and you say otherwise. Doesn't Gnome breaks third party extensions that provides users basic functionality that should be in gnome in the first place but the devs don't want to implement? Is the meme wrong?
- it's based on memes
  So you're basing an opinion on the world's dumbest, least accurate form of communication
  
  I mean, dude got it pretty spot on, so can we really criticize the accuracy?
  
  As I said, I briefly used gnome in the far past and just remember being weirded out by the design choices that felt very "Apple like" . So them pulling an "Apple" and doing the "we know better than the user" doesn't feel out of place.
  
  So you’re basing an opinion on the world’s basedest, most accurate form of communication
  FTFY

Reminds me of twitch plays pokemon, putting a pokemon in the pc was akin to a death sentence since they often 'accidentally' released them later
- Not just a death sentence for that Pokémon, approaching the PC was a potential game over!
  
  I have still nightmares of Bloody Sunday.

I love the Gnome workflow, but holy shit, I get the hate. Why doesn't it support a lockscreen that's not gdm?
- I actually think general Gnome workflow is pretty alright (even if I prefer other things), but yeah, Gnome devs seem to like. Actively hate their users?
  
  GNOME is the Apple of the FOSS world
- Wayland expects you to use the desktop for everything including locking. What's wrong with the lock screen? It seems fine.
  
  It doesn't work at all with sddm. That's what's wrong.
- I honestly like the vertical integration, but I can see why Linux folks would be annoyed. Honestly GNOME fits my workflow perfectly after a few extensions (mainly Dash to Dock). I’m super fickle, so its rigidity helps

- Do not
  ~~like come on man, it's not even a Vaporeon!~~
- JONKER NOOO

I've quite enjoyed gnome so far. What are your complaints with it? Granted I don't think I have actually used another DE but I genuinely don't run into issues with gnome and the design is good enough imo.
What's your preferred DE and why?
- My complaint with Gnome is just one, but it is overbearing: Gnome devs want to decide what is best for you, which stinks and goes against the very fundament of open software. But would not per se be a problem -- If they hadn't also decided that a bunch of things that are considered basic features that every other DE and even other OSes have implemented for the past 20 years are, in fact, unnecessary.
  Consider the humble System Tray.
  Gnome removed the System Tray in favour of a "Control Center". And the Control Center works really well -- For inbuilt Gnome stuff and applications that were written for Gnome. But stuff that is DE agnostic, or god forbid, ported over from another OS? Some of them expect a tray to be there. Have functionality that doesn't work without one. Or do work but are janky. Gnome doesn't offer a system tray. You have to install a third party extension, which would also be fine... Except every time Gnome updates every other third party extension breaks.
  And like, sure, it's not Gnome Devs' job to ensure the operability of third party addons, but that you need them to begin with is a failure. Gnome's attitude towards everything seems to be "$#¨$ you, like just actually go &%$# yourself. You do things our way or you use something else. We have decided these things are useless, if you think they are necessary you are a $&@# and %$#$ you and the horse you rode in on"
  As for my personal favourite DE? KDE Plasma. It's not something I'd ever recommend to a newcomer, but I like it precisely because of how many moving parts it has. I can make my system look, feel, and act just the way I like it. It's like the polar opposite of Gnome really.
  
  Gnome devs want to decide what is best for you
  Rebuttal: I’m extremely fickle, so someone else making choices for me is what I need. In KDE I ~~spent~~ wasted days customizing and just gave up in the end. It’s the same idea as using prettier instead of using your own lint rules: you stop wasting time and just do the thing you’re there to do.
  In general, for configs (linting, neovim, etc), I prefer taking something really good and tweaking the parts I dislike—which is the model GNOME uses. Probabilistically, it’s exponentially likely that your preferences are only a little bit away from someone else—just use their thing and spend 15 minutes tweaking them.
  
  Oh?! Those app icons not appearing or working properly every once and a while are a gnome problem? Genuinely just thought I was doing something wrong.
  I am not necessarily new to linux as I have distro hopped extensively so I might give KDE plasma a shot as I have heard good things but I am certainly not an expert when It comes to linux. I have only learned enough to keep my games running and my desktop environment clean. Sometimes I will run into an issue I cant fix and just reinstall the OS or try another one lmao.
  I've recently grown quite interested in customizing my DE but was struggling to understand how people do it. Not used to messing with config files and I downloaded themes but didn't know how to install them. It often feels like I simply expected to know a lot of linux knowledge so steps often go unexplained and since I learned how to use linux primarly independantly and through necessary maintenance, there's a lot of of stuff I simply never learned because I did not need to.
  Also what is the difference between a system tray and a control center?
  
  Why would‘t you recommend plasma to a beginner? For me it seemed like the out-of-the-box experience is really nice.
  
  In my humble opinion, the system tray is a crutch anyway. But sadly a needed crutch for "legacy" support.
  What does an application need with a tiny icon persistent on screen? Aren't notifications enough to notify the user that something has happened? Why can't it just run in background, and when the user needs it open it up from the taskbar/dock?
- Up to 2.x, GNOME used what was basically the MacOS philosophy: make things easy and simple and intuitive, but if the user wants finer control and power features, make sure it's still possible somehow. GNOME 3 and later pretty much adopted the philosophy that there's the GNOME path of simplicity and streamlining, and power user functionality is going to be removed from the core and relegated to extensions. And, of course, GNOME started requiring boatloads of memory to run, which to me didn't go hand in hand with "simplicity".
  I eventually settled on using XFCE, because it didn't have the bloat and still had enough customisability. Really good environment for old and underperforming systems. If I'm using a modern high performance system, I'm actually pretty impressed by what KDE Plasma is doing these days.
- Try something new for a while. I like gnome but it is fun to try something new.

Who uses Gnome these days? i have used the forks Cinnamon or MATE, since gnome shell was introduced.
It's great that there're so many good window managers to choose from.
- A majority? I mean use something else if you like them better, no need to shit on GNOME
  
  There's plenty reason to shit on gnome, they took off in a direction and changed the whole look and feel, without any option to keep something like the gnome 2 layout.
  The introduction of Gnome 3 scared me away, the initial version was garbage. I switched to XFce and MATE, and eventually ended up with Cinnamon.
  They may have made it usable, but I still don't like the user interface.
- Probably most desktop Linux users? ...
  I love gnome. People love KDE but I think it's not very good.
  
  Most? Is that guess based on anything?
  I am sure getting accurate data on the subject would be impossible, as Linux users are more likely to not consent to the type of telemetry that could track that.
- I think it's the majority, still. Not sure if that's technically changed to KDE with Steam Decks though.
  
  Asking "who still uses $thing", where $thing is the most popular thing in its category, is peak Lemmy.
- People who like gnome
- It's the default for Fedora and I think Debian too but don't quote me on the second one.
  Me I use SUSE which lets me choose what DE to install.
  
  Endeavour also gives DE options during installation.

Unpopular opinion: Gnome software is pretty solid, and if your computer usage patterns overlap with their design, it is quite a lovely DE. I'd rather have something that works well, even if it doesn't do everything under the sun.
- ... Except when it doesn't.
  I use Gnome at work, on an older (supposedly stable) version of RedHat and there are a few ways it breaks, but when it does, it Breaks Bad. I would be fine with said breakages if it were not trying to claim focussing on having lesser bugs and in turn reducing customisability to such low levels that changing stuff like animation speed (which, by default is set to productivity destroying speeds), is not possible from the default repos.
  KDE and related applications are much more tolerable and when I find a bug I tend to be happy to report.
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  Your computer makes meth?
- That's fair ¯(ツ)_/¯

This is even more relevant to Digimon. I have no idea of whether their file format is supported, or how digiworld differs on OS's. I'd have to guess it's some type of web protocol? Dunno...
Edit: dug back into my childhood, the Digiworld is stored on a cluster of servers, so those are pretty likely going to be some flavor of linux. Local PC client applications are used for storing Digimon locally IIRC, and we also see in this clip that it appears that the guys are using windows 95 or something similar.
Still alot of questions but
- Digimon Tamers implies that Digimons evolve from clusters of loose data in much the same way as lifeforms evolved from chemical matter, and since they can apparently interface with those little handheld devices (probably running on z80 or 6502-esque processors with only a simple kernel by way of an "OS" given it was still the early aughts and ARM had a long way to go) as well as PCs (most likely Windows 98, because early aughts Japan), they seem to be platform-agnostic, able to adapt to any machine in much the same way animals adapt to different biomes.

So you're a Cinnamon lover then huh?
- Plasma fan and aspiring Cosmonaut, though I have Swayed in the past and have a tendency to get Hypr.
  
  Hyprland is pretty cool. Used it for a few montths after I broke my KDE Plasma and couldn't be fucked to fix it (long story)
  This thread is the first time I hear about Cosmic though. Looks interesting in pictures.
- Cinnamon is pretty dope
  I use Plasma because I'm literally this, but Cinnamon is what I'd recommend to people who say they want something "familiar looking but that just gets out of the way so you can start using your computer to do shit" -- Which ironically is what Gnome purports itself to be.
  
  I mean, Cinnamon is really just Gnome 2 with new devs.

Then don't use gnome?
Also the dock is on the bottom
- Its Ubuntu😨😨
  
  Gnome 3

Wait what's Gnome?
- The desktop that knows what’s best for you.
  
  The desktop that thinks it knows what's best for you

This has Animaniacs energy.

Pokémon Tretta runs Gnome??

I haven't slept in 24hrs and honestly I don't get the hate. Just use gnome default and it works that's it. no need to customise just use as is and doesn't break.
- Maybe you should get some sleep

cringe

Solid meme. 5/7. Don't put your pokemon into the walled garden of linux.
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