How do you deal with depression about climate change?

Someone said to me once "Relax! Nothing is under control."

Worry about what you can control —which is very little, especially when facing a world crisis like climate change— and accept what you can't.

The people who should be fixing this mess are not you or I. It's the big corporations and the Governments that should regulate them through robust, uncompromising climate policies. Vote for Governments with honest, solid climate agendas.

Other than that, contributions from individuals like you and I are but a drop in the boiling ocean of global warming. By all means, keep doing what you're doing. It certainly doesn't hurt to lead a more sustainable lifestyle but don't feel bad if you don't do everything you're supposed to do. Don't let the real culprits here gaslight you into thinking otherwise.

Again, if you're worried more about your mental health than the problem itself at this stage, it's ok to feel that way. Many of us do. But the best advice I can give you is to just accept there's nothing you can really do about the situation. Whatever happens, happens. Easier said than done, I know, but once you "learn" to accept this fact, your anxiety will drop right down.

The earth will be fine. It's us that are fucked

First of all, I saw a therapist, and they helped. Truly, if it's bad enough, go talk to someone.

Now what I personally do? The biggest thing was learning that I can't carry the weight of the world on my shoulders. I have a habit of doing that. I'm a very empathetic person so when I see climate change I just fall into a spiral that's hard to get out of. Learning that I need to focus on what I can change is the most important.

So, I do what you already touched on. I am not going to get Shell to stop polluting, but I can change myself, and those near me. I have switched my entire home away from fossil fuels (heat pump, electric water heater), when it was time for a new vehicle I went for an EV, and even then I take the bus and train whenever I can now. I'm looking into an e-bike.

That still wasn't enough so I'm starting to get into local politics a bit. City council issues, local neighborhood issues, those are things I can help control. My city is trying to push a natural gas ban on new housing, and conservatives are frothing, but it's something I can push and help with. I'm pushing for more transit in our area, with more bus lines. And my ultimate one, writing letters and trying to ban fucking leaf blowers god fucking damnit just use a goddamn rake they're so fucking loud and pollute so much.

That helps me personally. And hey, if everyone did these things, we'd make a dent on climate change. I can't change everyone, I can't do everything myself, but I can influence those around me.

An odd thing that makes me feel oddly comforted too. World birthrates are dropping. Conservatives are also frothing at the mouth over this because iNFiNiTe GrOWtH but to me, I view it as another form of evolution. Have we realized as a species we've reached the limit of what Earth will support? Fewer and fewer people are having kids. Idk, in a weird way it feels comforting, like evolution is still at play and something very biological in us as a species is like "nope, can't do any more"

Have you considered eco-terrorism? \s

People saying do nothing, I'm saying do something!

Get out start a community. If one already exists join it. Find ways to improve your community.

Go vegan.

There are so many things you can do. Don't accept doing nothing, be a stubborn fuck and do something to alleviate the sadness.

Earth’s time has started to end. Its death is inevitable.

Even in a worst case scenario life will continue on earth. It's honestly doubtful that humanity will end. This is not controversial among climate scientists. Don't get me wrong, societal collapse, mass human deaths and a huge extinction event are all on the table, but there are many lifeforms that will thrive.

Take a break from the internet for a bit. I got offline as much as possible for two weeks a few months ago and it did wonders for my mental health.

I smoke weed and play vidya.

I realized I was anxious about climate change because I was depressed and not the other way around. I cannot change the world radically but I can do my part, convince others to do the same, vote for the right politicians, pressure companies and politicians to act for climate change… In a nutshell I can do a lot and being depressed or anxious doesn’t help

I work in energy r&d, and have for several jobs over the years now.

My sadness is transmuted into passion for solving these issues from the ground up. Top brass is interested in "stock options" and blah blah blah, I'm just focused on solving technical problems to make efficient, powerful energy production that isn't hard on the earth.

The money won't matter if there's nowhere to live. My efforts may not be enough, ultimately, but I'll die knowing I tried to help solve the problems we've caused.

You didnt mention children, so im assuming you dont have any. If so, keep it up. Staying child-free is likely the most effective personal decision you could make to reduce your environmental impact. Obviously, that doesnt mean you should feel free to dump your used motor oil in the street, but you also arent adding a lifetime worth of consumption to the pile. Further, even if you lived in a cave the rest of your life, someone is one broken condom away from invalidating your (lack of) contribution.

Further, the argument could be made that what we're doing to our environment is the "natural" way of things. Stick a bacteria culture in a petri dish and what does it do? It expands to the limits of its environment and consumes all available resources until there is nothing left it can use. Earth is our petri dish, and we're just going through the motions.

“Evolution had given a bit more thought to species survival”.

… that’s not how evolution works, unfortunately. It requires us to do the thinking.

To be honest I just look at the state of the world and laugh like I'm watching a sad comedy.

And I avoid thinking about how I'm in it and I have basically zero power over it.

I vote for whomever is the least bad candidate and try not to think about it too much the rest of the time.

Climate change is a systemic issue: Capitalism is based on always more production. It can’t be solved by individual actions but only by a radical system change. I put some energy in actions that can help - I hope - for this change.

I completely changed my lifestyle to reduce my part and put significant effort into it.

This is the source of your problem. Individual action will cost you a lot while accomplishing virtually nothing. Donating some small part of your income to green nonprofits has a greater impact, at a much lower cost to your quality of life.

A climate disaster is going to make us all make sacrifices we don't want to make eventually, no matter what you sacrifice now. If these are the final days of a healthy planet, don't deprive yourself while the billionaires are taking joyrides in their gigayachts. Just accept that this horror wasn't your fault, because if everyone lived with your likely very small footprint, this probably wouldn't be happening.

Notice how public discourse goes round & round in a lively show, but never seems to get anywhere?

This is strawman public discourse, and its largely by design.

Stop thinking, worrying and especially talking about climate change.

Instead talk about pollution & poison

Everyone can see it. It can't be denied or handwaved or debated away.

STOP POISONING OUR AIR, WATER AND SOIL.

WE NEED THEM TO BREATH, LIVE AND GROW OUR FOOD. (duh)

try and pay attention to China honestly. the seriousness they treat climate change with is the only thing that gives me hope that we'll beat it. some examples from very recently:

China’s embrace of rail and EVs stalls holiday petrol demand

China adds new clean power equivalent to UK’s entire electricity output

Shanghai to fully switch to new energy buses, taxis by 2027

China is on track to reach its clean energy targets this month... six years ahead of schedule

China Makes $31 Billion Nuclear Push With Record Approvals

Brief summary of the last three months of Chinese decarbonization policy by David Fishman on Twitter (xcancel link)

I've accepted that humanity is fucked. Once you get past the existentialism, things get easier. It helps if you've had a bunch of estasential crises before this one.

By living in denial mostly. Or hoping i die before the planet.

Plant hemp. Plant as much of that weed as you can, harvest the roots and store them somewhere that the carbon can't get back into the air. Underground in a sealed drum or underwater if you have a trash compactor handy, and can dump it into the deep parts of the Pacific.

you be the best possible you, thats enough.

all i can do is my best, and then my part will be over.

i try not to focus on what comes next as the future is too amorphous to worry that much about. humans are resourceful, and weve been in tighter spots. genetic analysis points out that at one point in our evolutionary past we were down to something like 15k individuals.

even if the world temps raise drastically and billions die, i believe humans will live on

I act local, think global. I also accept that it's largely beyond my control, so there is no point in being that upset about it. It's not like I will be having kids to worry about in the future, either.

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I try to watch what I read online, and it truly helps.

Do:

• Keep yourself informed by reading bland articles about climate studies with direct interviews from the scientists conducting them.

• Stay knowledgeable about who to vote for to support reasonable climate policies.

Do NOT:

• Read articles that inject opinions from the web journalist, terrifyingly worded headlines designed to get you to click, or anything written for a secondary purpose (e.g. voter mobilization).

• Get your info 2nd, 3rd, or 4th hand from social media personalities on tiktok, youtube, twitter, or any website with an algorithm than rewards the most extreme takes with more engagement.

• Let fear prevent you from living the life you want to live or making long term plans.

"Slowly, I told myself that evolution failed itself by giving a bit more individual selfishness over community/species survival."

There are a lot of great answers here already, but I would like to put forth the anticapitalist position that the quote above is likely false. Humans can work together, we have developed systems of cooperation that can deter selfishness from destroying a community. This is possible (and despite decades of propaghanda..popular!) What is stopping it is the greed for wealth and power of the 1% at the expense of everyone else and the planet. The masses of people are constantly trying to stop this, and mostly fail. But cracks in their power do open occasionally, and you just have to do what you can until a Crack is available for you to help widen. I think it's possible to win, but not through personal lifestyle changes and voting alone. Only through activism and protest is it possible. Most humans keep trying to solve this, and that gives me hope.

I don't think about it.

Really, that is it, I don't deny climate change, it obviously is real.

But I am just an IT guy, I live alone, I commute with public transport, I have a small apartment, my car is a PHEV, bought used, consuming 4,5L/100km petrol on average.

I keep my computer turned off when I am out, I won't pretend that I am super eco friendly, I do fly from time to time, this year I've been to Spain twice. I also enjoy driving my car, but I am cutting back on it.

When celebs and VIPs are bombing around the planet in business jets, companies and governments are actively working against electrified rail or rail in general, and pushing for more car infrastructure, then I can see that me feeling guilty about driving my car for fun or just to get to cool photo spots won't make a difference.

Add to that the huge waste of energy that us crypto, and I have realized that yes we are fucked, but I have time to see cool stuff before everything goes to hell, so I try to use it.

I am planning on taking a trip down to germany next year and see some cool museums, and won't feel bad about it.

By not having kids

Focus on progress that has been made, solutions to the climate crisis have been growing exponentially over the past decade. And it's not a binary issue of everything is sunshine and rainbows vs we're all fucked. There's more of a spectrum. Also remember the past environmental successes we've had with like acid rain, the ozone layer, leaded gas, mercury pollution. We've come a long way.

Making any progress, no matter how small makes the future just that much better than it otherwise would be. Yes, systemic changes out of the control of anyone on Lemmy are needed, but if say every person on Lemmy worked towards reducing their own environmental impacts that could have huge ripple effects in the economy of the green transition. Just plan out pragmatically/realistically how much time, mental energy, and resources are worth it to you.

A lot things that individuals can do to help with the climate crisis often also have personal benefits like long term financial savings, less pollution exposure, healthier plant-based diets, etc.

You could put more efforts towards making a systemic change rather than just affecting your own life. Protests, promoting green things at your workplace, outreach and education, etc. It's been ingrained that individuals are the problem and they they should recycle more at home and create less waste but the root is always on things being unregulated. Even if you sacrifice some individual benefits you have been at a small systematic change would likely have a much bigger impact.

Schadenfreude. Learn to take pleasure in things like massive increases in risk making insurance unaffordable for conservative fuckheads in places like Florida. A fancy beach house on Cape Hatteras just fell into the ocean (creating a wave of nasty pollution).

Climate chaos is coming for all of us, and we have done basically nothing to avert it (lots of lip service). 2023 set the record for carbon emissions, at least until 2024 is in the books.

All that is left is to watch the ensuing horrors and enjoy our comeuppance.

I'm taking a nihilistic approach to it.

I turn off the lights when I leave a room. I'm conscientious about my water usage. I recycle.

When I find that a company is a mass polluter, I do everything in my power to not give them any of my money.

I'm doing my part.

The fact is every human being on the planet in their own personal circle could go carbon neutral and climate change would still happen because it is industrial processes and commercial shipping that are driving the great majority of carbon and methane release in the atmosphere.

It's not anything that you or I are doing, or rather, in the scheme of things what we are doing is negligible, easily absorbed by the natural cleaning processes of the planet like trees and algae and rain and time.

Our current system has incentivized pollution. There's no amount of personal choice that we as individuals can take to stop it.

What we need are politicians who acknowledge the issue and who override the objections of the vocal minority to fix them even at deleterious costs to the economy.

After all, can't have an economy when the world is dead.

I console myself that I am getting older and won't see the worst of it.

Well, I don't really think our own species is likely to be ended by this one, but when it comes to death and loss, I think you've hit on the right perspective. Everything ends; things are finite in space and finite in time. If you like causality that's actually a feature, not a bug, because everything happens all the time if there's an infinite amount of it.

I personally do not care that much about the survival of entire species (including ours); I care more about the lives of the individuals. To illustrate this, it saddens me when we cause extinctions, but a little more because of the animals that suffered in the process and a little less about the whole "loss" of a form of life. Yet, it all is sad.

How do I deal with this climate change sadness? I guess I don't see it separately from other sad things from humanity (and existence, but let's focus on humanity). I have accepted the fact that most human beings are morally questionable in my book, this causes the world to be worse for everyone in it, and no amount of reasoning with most of them (about the benefit for them and others of being more conscious about their lives) will change it for now.

At some point, some have felt that a better society is just a step ahead of us because it's relatively easy in material terms, but now I feel it much farther as the social factors are not as easy. I guess I have surrendered to a certain idea of psychological determinism. If we imagine a person has an object we want at their reach, while it's out of our reach, and we could get it if they only cooperate, we can feel frustrated when they don't. "Why do they make it so difficult? It's as simple as reaching for the object and grabbing it for us. Just do it! Why are they waiting for? Ugh!". But if we start from the idea that there's a chance they won't help us because they simply can't be bothered (different reasons as to why), and that's probably not fixable, we won't feel that level of frustration for their inaction and we will strategize differently how to get that object.

By the way, I don't think selfishness or self-centeredness or whatever is individualism, nor that altruism is communitarianism. I'm inclined to individualism, but that's what makes me think that just as my life and freedom are valuable, so are others'. I do not like societies that are communitarian because they drown the individual (in false responsibilities, in fear of ostracism, etc.), and I hate that. We have one life and only one and we should be as free as possible, even if that means being unattached, different, whatever. The only rule for that freedom and for everything is ethics. And that's the difference for me, that's how I see it. Not individualistic people versus communitarian people, but people that live without an interest in being ethical (whatever that ends up meaning) and people who do.

So... I think I see a lot of these people and I don't get as frustrated as before. I sigh and continue my day. Reading this last part, it reads a little stoic (learning that I cannot change these parts of society and focusing on the ones we can change). Stoicism is like the ibuprofen of life; paracetamol is pyrrhic skepticism. I'm bad at analogies, lol, but you get the point (I hope).

Prioritizing my health (including my mental health) has helped a lot. Good levels of everything in my body do wonders for my energy, but also my resilience, my mood, etc. Emotional regulation skills, combating stress... I know these are just common recommendations, but I don't have more.

I'm sorry that you're feeling down. It's been a hard time...

Alcohol

I am grieving hard, and grief includes a lot of different feelings and experiences. Yes, there is depression, but there is also anger and reflection and the chance to find joy amidst the horror. My priorities have changed. I used to want to leave a legacy for the next generation; now I want to live in defiance of the evils that have ravaged our beautiful planet. Fuck billionaires, politicians, and cowardly centrist news outlets. Fuck them in perpetuity, until they rot away in their apocalypse bunkers. I will burn bright and hot to the end--that will be my legacy.

seeing your post then this scumbag back to back really hits...: https://lemmy.ml/post/19412006

This is going to get some upset

On an individual level, there is not much you can do. Because of that why let it get to you? If you do not effect the outcome it shouldn't be on your radar.

View the end of humanity as a positive, the suffering machine will be over (at least until it re-evolves).

I gave up all hope that it's going to turn out all right, and more or less stopped caring

Cynicism, trying to do what I can personally, voting and participating in politics, and just fucking hoping we're over estimating the effects or that we'll manage to come up with the political will to mitigate the worse effects.

Also, praying to Cthulhu that boomers hurry the fuck up and kick the bucket... at least the ones that aren't cool.

Looking at Trump's climate priorities (basically, burn as much coal as possible) and the people who support them fills me with disgust... it is as greedy and uncaring as our shitty late stage capitalism and I can't comprehend existing with so little empathy or foresight. The deniers are essentially incomprehensible to me so I avoid them whenever possible and just hope they'll die off faster than sane people.

I became communist. It does not solve anything, of course, but gave me hope that this dystopian mess that we live in can be solved.

Capitalism is the cause of climate change. Corporations are interested only in max profits. This won't change under capitalist countries, ever. Study socialism and join a local org or party that you ideologically support.

China is controlled by the communist party and its policies aren't driven by short-term profits. There are corporations but they can't go against the interests of the Chinese society, unlike the USA. Look at how China generates more clean energy than the UK total electricity output.

Don't forget to go vegan

The same way to deal with depression about anything. Depression is an illness that renders one incapable of helping themselves or others and debilitates people from contributing to the solution to the problems which contributed to the depression. Depression should be treated as an illness to be cured before anything else.

As far as being not being depressed by events beyond one's control, it requires effort since even being aware and concerned by such problems of this magnitude is highly unnatural and highly unintuitive. It is necessary to consciously come to peace with the world and humanity as it is. The universe is chaotic and we have as much control over the collective will of billions of completely ignorant and afraid people as we do over natural disasters just with less ability to predict when issues will occur. Although it is the case that we have a good grasp of the environmental issue, we have absolutely no grasp of how get plutocrats not to behave like plutocrats having no care for anything or anyone other than increasing their personal fortunes meaninglessly or to get the majority of people to understand the degree to which it is a problem that we continue to allow this. Being upset that humans are failing to achieve stable societies just as we have always failed for the entire 10,000 years we have been trying to achieve them is having unrealistic and unfair expectations of our species. Everyone is trying their best and no one knows what they're doing really. It may be scarier to consider how much less agency people have than they believe they have initially, but it does allow one to have the comfort of more consistently helpful expectations of oneself and others.

Anger, knowing they will get what they deserve more quickly than I initially thought. I'm not thinking about rich celebrities, they are just a few people. There are so many regular people who refused to modify their lifestyle even a little to mitigate the problem. They will suffer alongside me and I find some solace in that.

I replace that depression with the depression of being a souless cog in the capitalist machine who only exists in three possible states - working, sleeping, or getting ready to go to work (laundry etc).

I truly have come to feel like any time spent conscious and not actively increasing profit for the machine is sinful. Laughter? Sinful. Listening to music? Sinful. Dating? Are you out of your fucking mind? I'll be too tired to make profit tomorrow! Basic healthcare? (pretty much all of my teeth are falling out now) Too much time. Can't stop making profit for the machine.

So climate change? Depression about that little recreational pursuit burns daylight and decreases profit. Can't have that now, can we?

I wait for the sweet, sweet embrace of death to release me from it (as literally happened to a coworker last week).

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You are not alone. The only way to stop it is to go back to regulations. Regulations have been stripped since the 80s. We need to put them all back in place, there is no reason anyone should have that much money. They are going into space and moving bridges so they can fit their yatchs disturbing hard working peoples lives. Capitalism is great but only when it’s regulated. We dont need a formal investigation to know that these people have visions that align and they will fuck everyone for their gain. Also they have underground bunkers ready for anything.

100mg of ketamine every day, half in the morning, half in the afternoon.

Considering the fact that corporations make up about 70% +/- of all the solution and climate destruction, and the fact that politicians are bribed by said corporations to ignore the problem, there's little we can actually do about it except voting.

by worrying about the rampant militarization and progressively hawkish stance of nato with overt threat towards china and russia and how i could escape this hellhole with my family instead.

“The Skin of Our Teeth” YouTube is a stage play by Thornton Wilder. It highlights humanity’s long and storied history of careening from one disaster to the next. Each time, surviving by…the titular title!

We’ll wait until the last minute, then we’ll literally redefine Heaven and Earth, as we move them, to save ourselves.

We always have, we always will.

So you can wait for that to happen, or you can start right now by getting involved in politics. Be the voice you want to hear, encourage people to vote for candidates that will support legislation to do something about it.

That’s literally the very old saying, “You can be part of the problem, or you can be part of the solution.”

Thee is zero we can do about it. Celebrities and politicians and the rich in general will never lift a finger, except to point at us as being the "problem"

OP, can you provide us your witnessing of climate change? How has climate change impacted your personal life? What in your personal life has had to change because of climate change?

If it hasn't.. I think you have better things to think and worry about.

You deal with it by recognizing that you’ve been consuming wildly exaggerated accounts of the effects of climate change.

It’s not going to end life on Earth. It’s not even going to end human civilization.

Things are gonna be tough. Much like they’ve always been. You are evolved for difficulty, and you can handle it. So can other people. We’re going to get through this.