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Plenty more Republicans are supporting Kamala Harris and they have good reasons that don't involve Russia. Furthermore, most true Republicans see the destruction of the conservative party by MAGA and want to defeat it to save the party.

Being protective of your own daughter is hardly due to being a ghoul.

I mean, Dick Cheney is a ghoul, but not for this reason.

I mean, it's both. Republicans are driven away from Trump because he's obviously a grifter to anyone with a room temperature IQ, but also leftists don't have any other option but the center-right Democrats. If we had a healthy spread of parties (enabled by ranked choice voting and the abolition of the electoral college) there is no way you'd see the Cheneys voting in the same bloc with anyone even remotely left.

For sure, but also it might be an indication of how much we're leaving on the table.

Would Cheney endorse a M4A candidate?

Would Cheney endorse an arms embargo on Israel candidate?

What's the line? How much more could we be going for here?

Realistically Cheney is bringing us effectively 0 voters, maybe even negative a few. So if it's these steps to the right Harris keeps making that give us Cheney with no ec votes, show me the value.

When the person you despise makes a great point.

Cheney is an absolute ghoul, but I don't doubt that the neocon stupidity he embraced during the Bush administration was at least partly out of a desire for America to remain 'top dog'.

Trump is sitting here ready to quite literally sell our position to Russia and China.

It's a WW2 moment. The Soviets and the Western Allies join hands, because even though each thinks the other is fucking terrible, there's a more vile foe afoot.

Unfortunately, "Business as usual" in our political climate, is a pretty conservative sentiment.

I get that you're saying Cheney is just making a rational decision but it doesn't contradict the Op's point.

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There's a Green Party candidate every election.

Both us parties are right wing. So yes, the right (dems and GOP) have gone farther right.

Maybe that's what the corporate media says but AoC is popular in her district. What really happens is money from AIPAC comes in and unseats the leftist candidate during the primaries.

If there was a real leftist candidate you'd ally with the GOP to remove them. You might even kill them or throw them in prison.

Me personally? No. Most of the populace? Hard to say.

I don't think it's so lite anymore.

Those war criminals in DC in later Bush administrations were so appalling and demoralizing that it’s hard to remember they’re able to be right about any single thing.

Fair. I guess it just seems he is less likely.

No fucking shit.

Oh yeah, I forgot, some of you can only see the world in black and white red or blue.. 🙄

News flash: a (very fucking marginally) lesser evil is still fucking evil, and you're never going to be free of either as long as you continue to play by the rules they've set out for you (in fact, you'll only ever achieve the opposite - the continued shift to the right of the Overton window to its inevitable conclusion).

Lol, that still leads right back to "tell me who your friends are".

You can try to twist this all you like to spare your own discomfort, it won't change who he is, why he's supporting her, and what it means about who you're voting for (a conservative, and against your own best interests, either way. Because endorsements like these tell you whose interests they're are appealing to, and you really only need to be paying the very slightest of attention to realise it ain't yours).

He's neither to you, only to himself and his interests.

Again - no matter how you people try to twist it to make yourselves feel better about it - Cheney is endorsing his own interests, and only his, and the interests of a wealthy conservative war monger will never align with yours, no matter how much you try to convince yourself otherwise (accidental alignment doesn't make one an ally, unless you also want to reach for Hitler as your example and justification, but be warned, you too will reek of pathetic desperation lmao).

You see trump as the embodiment of fascism (when in truth he's only a symptom), while Cheney sees him as the loose lipped child giving away the fascist family secrets. He's not endorsing dems because he's no longer conservative, he's endorsing dems because they make him feel safe and looked after, and if that isn't enough to tell you where "blue no matter who" leads, I have bad news for you: you're a fully fledged member of a cult. Just like a maga cap wearer - voting against your own interests because it's "your team" no matter how many red banners they wave in your face and blaring alarms they ring in your ears.