Bold of them to assume there's going to be a Democratic party.
7The Democratic party is stuck on this idealistic platform of unity and appealing broadly to the American people. The Left, however, recognizes the fact that the Right has forsaken unity and is more than willing to irradiate the Left in pursuit of its own goals.
8Okay. Am I to assume this means they have to do interviews on fox News? What the fuck are they supposed to do about this? They clearly know it
6They need to come to terms!!
I've been coming to terms and I never see them there!
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If only they had compromised more and reached across the aisle harder. That will surely fix it next time.
122"meet me in the middle", says the unjust man.
you take a step towards him. he takes a step back.
"meet me in the middle", says the unjust man.94It's obvious that Liz Cheney wasn't enough. Next time we must revive Henry Kissenger to get his endorsement. Surely that'll win the moderates
45And an AI clone of Ronald Reagan, just to be sure.
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"Next time"
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it's too late for all this dialog
18I dont think it is. If I understand the American election process right, the next step is in January, when democrats are allowed to violently assault their elected government, but I'm really not sure if the plan at that stage is supposed to be for Harris to move in or for Biden to stick around. How exactly does that part work again? I don't think other countries do this part.
28As long as it’s referred to as an official act by Biden the rest doesn’t really matter, right SCOTUS?
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It is also time for the Democratic Party to genuinely embrace progressive policies. It is evident that not many people were enthusiastic about Harris’s moderate campaign policies.
72It was time in 2016. Biden barely won in 2020 and somehow Dems took that as a mandate to be even more conservative. At this point I have no idea how progressive ideas ever get implemented.
28I mean, in the US, the archetype of progressive policy success, the New Deal, was only possible because of labor militancy and the threat of systemic collapse. That should give an idea
5They do!
In... Other countries?
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One would think
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lol
Isn't this how every other authoritarian regime on the planet operates? Control all the main media sources, promote only the main messages and propaganda that you want people to see and listen to, repeat it all endlessly, repeat it everywhere, fund it so that this media machine has all the resources it needs to maintain everyone's attention all the time.
Then when someone on the outside looks in .... everyone inside will think they are weird because they exist in their own reality.
34We have always been at war with Eastasia
9How did I escape? Or did I? I'm probably just a tool of the machine that causes good Christian people to huddle back into their safe space otherwise I'll give them trans.
Why did we even want liberalism to be mainstream (other than to ease the suffering)? These people don't deserve to be free of the fairty tales that bind them and make them attack their own person hood. I feel for you, the future disaffected youth of America. This might be grim and will probably get me a ban but instead of making punk rock music, do us all a favor and smother your parents in their sleep.
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I've heard so many contradictory explanations today. And thought more still. I guess the idea that Kamala and/or Biden and/or Democrats in general didn't engage enough with media (didn't sit to be interviewed by Joe Rogan or whatever) is as good a theory as any. But I don't think anyone knows WTF just happened.
40I am 35.
My entire lifetime, the way Dems run presidential campaigns, the way they push the message is heavily, heavily reliant on mainstream legacy media outfits talking about and repeating their announcements and rallies.
Meanwhile, the Republicans do the same... but they also control the vast majority of talk radio stations, and since the internet came into wide use, the number of popular internet figures with overt right wing tendencies just vastly, vaaaastly outstrips similar figures on the left, in terms of viewership and funding.
Basically, the Dems still think that dying legacy media, with fewer and fewer readers/viewers, that increasingly has to sell out by running more bombastic, shocking news, and/or cowtowing to the whims of their corpo owners...
... they still think that this nearly dead legacy media will give them the same treatment as in the 70s, when there were only 3 fucking TV news channels and newspapers op eds were far more influential.
They should have learned that they needed a real way of pushing their message after 2015/16.
Trump dominated the media without paying anything for it simply by being bombastic and saying insane shit.
That should have set off a whole bunch of alarm bells that ... Dems can't rely on news stations giving roughly equal air time to them.
But it did not.
The Republicans, through their various think tanks and foundations, funded the hell out of every one willing to repeat their message on any medium for 35 years.
Dems have never had anything like this, even though the average Republican thinks George Soros is doing something like that.
Now, combine all of the above with another trend the Republicans have manifested into reality over 35 years:
Public Education has been decimated. The average American now has critical reading comprehension skills roughly equivalent to a 6th or 7th grader.
So even if huge numbers of people were still reading Op-Eds in papers... they would not understand any moderately complex discussions of policies, or history, or economics or anything anyway.
... And this is all just a critique of how the Democrats have been at distributing their messages.
The actual content of those messages is an entirely different failure.
38So what's the solution? What should the Democrats have done? Pay Mark Zuckerberg to run left wing propaganda? Prop up a bunch of am radio talk shows?
I don't have answers, but it's hard to imagine what specifically they did wrong. This might have been inevitable, maybe they screwed this country up to the point where there is no winning move.
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The error would be expecting it to be any one thing. It’s a large large large combination of various factors.
29I genuinely beleive that Joe Rogan alone will be responsible for at least a million votes getting mobilized
10But Kamala went on The View and played the opening act for a Beyonce concert! She did everything right
10SNL, too!
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The dems are so shit they lost to a convicted rapist . That’s what happened.
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Anyone with an AM radio has known this for decades.
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21I don’t think that tweet is saying it’s the democrat’s fault, but that we have to give more attention to this fact.
I mean Matt McDermott is a democratic strategist himself.
14IMO, partial blame on the Democratic Party for not successfully countering rightwing propaganda techniques and for executing some flawed policies; partial blame on citizens who chose not to vote or chose to protest vote against them; and mega huge absolute blame on the Republican Party for promulgating bigotry and lies and on their voters for not critically examining this disinfo, not having the heart to care about their fellow persons, believing that they must adhere to their in-group, and for also repeating the aforementioned disinfo and bigotry.
Each of these is a point of failure and must be remedied if we want to actually have a decent society to live in.
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Practically speaking, what is supposed to be done about it? It's all protected by the first amendment. Even if they were to somehow pass a new kind of "fairness" legislation in a future blue wave, the stacked SCOTUS will strike it down.
16Fight fire with fire.
Dive into social media and be shameless. Get dirty. Lie. Pay influencers. Promote conspiracies. Push meme policies.
What are Republicans gonna do? Demonize Democrats more? That will just get them more eyeballs, which is exactly how Trump won.
The actual answer is that the world should have banned targeted advertising/engagement optimization so assholes don't trend so much, but we are way past that.
23If there's one thing I'd hope that Democrats would learn from Trump's successes, it's that playing the part of the staid, respectable, traditional politician is not a winning strategy. I don't think it's reasonable to suppose that adopting better policies will, in and of itself win elections; Trump has either terrible policies or none whatsoever, and voters still eat him up. He's a carnival clown, and that's what the majority wants.
Get out there and start screaming. Throw tantrums. Take credit for things (preferably good things that you did, but again, Trump proves that all you really need to do is take credit, period, and let reality try and catch up with you). Democracy is a shared hallucination, and Trump has proven that if you employ sufficient pressure, you can change the nature of the dream, policies and reality be damned. If Democrats don't accept that public perception is reality and adjust their strategies accordingly, they and we are going to continue to get fucked for the foreseeable future.
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They could at least try to end corporate personhood.. make it so that corporations are not protected by the 1st amendment and don't get free speech... Anything they blast out needs to be scrutinized and any misinformation needs to have heavy penalties... Sure the actual person saying the thing is protected, but the corporations pushing it out or allowing it to go out through them get crushed under fines... This would require a party that is not working for the oligarchy/donors though
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It was never a tenable solution.
1You honestly don't see any left wing bias in the media? Be honest now. Honest.
-9I see what Americans have been conditioned into believing is “left wing” - aka neoliberalism - but absolutely none of it save for a few streamers and podcasters are actually left.
It’s all right of center and the difference is that the American “lefties” hide their imperialistic racism, or convince themselves they don’t have any.
8Left wing bias? Like anything remotely anti-capitalist?
No, never seen it from anything remotely mainstream.
8they aren't saying all media. they're saying that the media conservatives consume is like that. this is about the media and information bubble that you clearly exist in.
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Maybe it's time to start focusing on reasons to vote for a candidate instead of against one. Trump got less votes than 2020 and won.
10I have to second this one.
Most of the people I hang with tend towards 3rd party. All of them proudly touted their votes for the democratic candidate in this/the last election, but each was also very clear they were only voting that way as a way to vote against Trump.
They all hate Biden and Harris.
3Just because the election is called does not mean we are done counting votes.
The largest state (California) only has 50% counted.
Trump will likely surpass his 2020 total.
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