2mo ago

Not in my backyard

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Isn't it weird how much harder it is for them to tip the scales on Lemmy and Mastodon, platforms without algorithms designed by right-wing billionaires?
- WHAT? Are you implying that the rich used the advantage of closed black box algorithms to screw with peoples opinions, motivations and emotions for the goal of enriching themselves both financially and with power‽
  Preposterous!/s
  
  Yay capitalism and oligarchy! /s
- Kinda makes ya think… Maybe letting someone else filter the content you see is an inherently biased concept.
  I’d rather apply my own biases to my feed, tyvm.
  
  Bias is always present in this type of thing, the critical difference is honesty, openness, freedom to dissent (in theory and in practicality) and integrity of which big tech companies do not even possess a homeopathic amount.
  Same story with trust for that matter...
- To be fair, it took a huge Reddit exodus for Lemmy to stop being full-blown work camp supporting communist. I'm sure if enough to right wing trolls showed up, this place would change again too
  
  We are fortunate then, that the upcoming generation of conservatives cannot read.
  
  That's a good point, but at least the views would reflect those of the majority rather than being algorithmically-manipulated as on Twitter or Facebook.
  
  The bittersweet end of a successful movement. The public will be better off after Fediverse Eternal September.

Hey it isn't nice to beat up people who only want to seriously hurt and maim you, your family and your friends.
- Right? What happened to tolerance?
  
  What happened to tolerance is quite clear, to the point that it has a name, it is called the paradox of tolerance.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+paradox+of+tolerance+is%2Cthe+very+principle+of+tolerance

We should keep them all trapped on twitter forever.
It's a good containment zone for the trash.
If you see someone supporting Trump tell them to go back to twitter and block them
- TBH I'd rather them leave Twitter just so Twitter doesn't make money
  
  Twitter isn't making money anyway
  
  the idiots peddling conservatism aren't going to pay much to twitter and the advertisers who are staying aren't giving them a fraction of what they Used to get

Well, bluesky isn't the fediverse, but the point stands.
- I'm ignorant af tbh 😅 Thanks for the clarification
  
  I think Mastodon would be what you're looking for.
  
  Bluesy is a business, Mastodon is a community tool that runs on the ActivityPub (same as Lemmy which is what we are talkin on).
  
  Part of their marketing seems to be to create confusion about it. Bluesky uses the language and values of the fediverse to promote what is essentially another closed network. Meta is also doing this with Threads. Bluesky seems like a chill place and a lot of decent people seem to be very happy there, and they provide a lot more user controls than other networks, so the comic definitely still works.
  
  It sort of depends on how you define fediverse. If you mean things using the ActivityPub protocol and are federated with Mastodon, Lemmy, etc. then no, it's not part of the fediverse. If you mean anything using federated technology then you could possibly include it. https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/federation-architecture It uses something called AT instead of ActivityPub. I'm not personally aware of any other services or instances using it, but I also didn't look very hard.
  Edit: I learned that the term AT Protocol uses for their version of fediverse is "atmosphere". So I wouldn't necessarily say it's part of the fediverse, but the context of the usage matters.
- You're correct. But blue sky does support federation, just not the same protocol as the fediverse, right?
  
  Federation with what?
  
  BlueSky does not support federation in any way that we understand the word.
  It is 100% reliant on the corporate server(s). They do offer a way to host your own data, which solves a singular problem with corporate media, which seems to be what they mean when they promote it "supporting federation." Is also has an open codebase, which is something.

It’s not that these groups are full of true liberals, it’s that much of the population isn’t tolerant of lies and misinformation. So it seems that “conservatives” are being targeted.
- I've seen people be objectively correct but assholes with their delivery and get fucking blasted on here. Regardless of politics I'd youre a prick you get vibe checked.
  
  As it should be. I'm tired of lying and "alternative facts" being the new normal.
  
  <nobodyAsked>
  I'm still unreasonably salty about getting bodied into negatives after pointing out that the fusion research coming out of the National Ignition Facility is just nuclear weapons research. ~~That's what Laser Inertial Confinement is, it's a very contained implosion bomb. Their role in the nuclear stewardship program is the first thing in their damn "about me" page. Gah.~~ I wasn't even (all that) rude about it, its just really hard for some people on here to accept that their understanding is flawed (myself very much included)
  </nobodyAsked>
  
  I rather tolerate honest pricks
- Conservatives are often so completely full of shit it isn't funny.
  
  So you're telling me that Trump didn't actually turn on the giant spigot and single-handedly extinguish the California wildfires?!?
- I'm a person who likes to learn. When I find out I was mistaken on an issue and why, I sometimes feel briefly embarrassed for being wrong, but in the end I appreciate knowing more and like to share the truth with others. I feel like I can approach people from a place of familiarity, empathy, and compassion and help them understand something they did not before.
  I feel like there's a lot of people here who share that mindset, and when we see someone intentionally trying to manipulate others by knowingly spreading disinformation, the other, less-compassionate side of us shows up to the party.
  
  I’d absolutely rather take the embarrassment of being corrected, over the embarrassment of being wrong consistently.

They are slowly leaking into lemmy.world, my friends living in .world please try your best to hold your position there. Don't let them break through
- At this point, I think we should invite back hexbear tankies to roll over the conservatives and "centrist" in .world
  I'm half joking, but there may be some truth in that.
  
  What are you saying? That democrats are incapable of resistance against the republicans?
- They attempted to infiltrate Lemmy.ca during the BC election to worship their transphobic John Rustad. Calling someone “a paid activist” for calling out the B.C. conservatives.
- Lemmy.world communities for news and politics are already moderated far too strictly. Discourse is impossible because of the liberal distributions of bans there.
  
  Your modlog shows you’ve been banned for things like genocide denial, defending genocide, misinformation, tons of violations of simple to follow civility rules….
  But yeah… let’s go with strict mods. lol!

So much harder to manufacture consent without centralized gatekeepers
- That makes me wonder, what comes after decentralized gatekeepers?

Just had to block someone that said wanting a democracy and not supporting a dictatorship was "Chasing perfection at the cost of the good".
- That's wild given a dictatorship has the whole issue of succession, even with a perfectly benevolent leader they gonna die one day.
- haha goddamn
- Reminds me of a meme template.
- 🤣damn
  But why blocking? That person does not just disappear, and if all non insane people block them, they don’t see that most disagree, but thinks all agree
  
  People tend to feel foolish sitting in a room lecturing nobody, I don't think you should be worried too much about this, these people crave compliance and acceptance, they cannot function without a community to vampire off of..

God, imagine that... we switch to federated and the Nazis can no longer hide behind "Just asking questions" and getting the site admins to bully people.
- Well the issue also is that nazis could prosper in here. If they had their own instance I fear there would be a massive delay before every single instance defederates
  
  There are plenty of nazis already using fediverse tools, Truth.Social is just stolen Mastodon software, the reason you don't hear about it is they are losers and nobody wants to hangout with them.

I like this.
I think it should be Mastodon & Lemmy though.
- Bluesky isn't even on the Fediverse. It's private corpo.

Whenever beating up fascists and their sympathizers is a question the answer is always yes >:3

I haven't seen too many conservatives on Lemmy, but Bluesky is a fine example of how if you deplatform and cut off the oxygen of fascists and leave them talking to themselves, they really do fade into the background.
- I also like how Lemmy has the "modlog" at the bottom. If conservatives are being treated "unfairly" you can see what got them banned and decide if the mods are being fair.
  
  I hadn't noticed that before! I like that feature.

The only issue I have with this is that this fules the generalisation of politics even more. There is a lot more of a nuance in politics than just left/right or conservatives/liberals etc. You see this more in countries with more politics parties. It’s not an either or but a spectrum.
But this meme really suits the current climate of Shitter and the US politic system
- The only issue I have with this is that this fules the generalisation of politics even more. There is a lot more of a nuance in politics than just left/right or conservatives/liberals etc. You see this more in countries with more politics parties. It’s not an either or but a spectrum.
  I think by basically beating the conservatives out of the platforms it allows for this nuance to be expressed. Allowing them to hang around with their bullshit and disinformation leaves everyone fighting to establish basic facts and sanity and makes political discussions as tiresome as those that happen on an American presidential campaign...basically DEMOCRAT BAD, WOKE BAD, REPUBLICAN DADDY GOOD, BIG STRONG REPUBLICAN DADDY FETISH.
  I like that they can't debase and pollute every political discussion here.
- Your argument breaks down at "conservatism" there is no nuance to being a fascist or fascism supporter. "Oh I don't really like how he's racist and I don't really like how he treats women, but I support the tax cuts" Bitch, that's the BAIT, you're now supporting fascism because you were baited into it with your greed.
  
  Extremism is bad yes, but you are assuming that is everything I can vote for. Politics is a spectrum and I know the US doesn’t see it, but in the end I vote in a country where I can vote on over 100 people from like 40 different parties. Same for when I vote for the EU.
  I believe that the lack of nuance is part of the problem why I think the US lacks in the compromise department. No there is no defence for extremism, but if you don’t have any good options to vote for then you choose for the one you think is the least bad.
- Exactly, I only see this kind of vapid dogma in the good-ol USA
  Politics is all about nuance & constant concessions
  
  Right up until it becomes about hurting and not accepting people for no good reason and blaming the victims of the inveitable catastrophic consequences, which is one of the only ideologically consistent throughlines through modern conservatism the world over.

They really are fragile folk, they need to diminish others in order to feel important and special.
- Projection. Look at what they accuse and see how it applies to the one saying it.
- also conservatives are snowflakes lmao
- But you are important and special!

Sorry conservative snowflakes, there's no central authority to cry to when get bullied for being a scumbag.

mastodon:
- Compared to Bluesky, pretty much yeah 😅
  
  Lmao, maybe don’t make memes about things you don’t fully understand? Bluesky isn’t even the Fediverse or decentralized really— and it’s owned by venture capitalists. Mastodon, like Lemmy, is open-source, open-standard, and actually decentralized.
  From the outside, this kind of response almost comes off as weird corporate propaganda. Even if that’s not the intent, it’s still a bit cringe—why take this angle?

Chances are, fediverse will end up with right wing instances that only communicate with themselves and maybe some centrists, left wing will only communicate with themselves and maybe some centrists, centrists will see all
- centrists will see all
  I dunno, has this ever actually happened? I think centrists almost universally end up backing the right-wing. Hell, the Centrists were vital in the Nazi's coming to power, and it literally would not have happened without them.
  And the 'left wing' is going to be a fractured bunch that overlap slightly, yet Social Democrats, Marxists, Anarcha-Feminists, these 'left wing' groups have vastly different ideas of the best way to help everyone, and I don't see Centrists asking the Anarchists what's up. Centrists are how we got neo-Liberalism, and 'well we can't BAN abortion... but we can limit it unless the woman is...' They want an 'inbetween' in an era when fascists have taken over the most powerful country in the world, with the open backing of fascists/authoritarians in other nations. What's the centrist response to concentration camps in Guantanamo Bay? What sort of chat will happen between Centrists and the Right-Wing with banning abortion? How about the rights of people transitioning? Because from what I'm seeing, they seem awfully okay with it.
  
  They probably all agree we're stronger together. Kinda applies to left and right, too. Hence centrists. Yes yes, I know you cant reason with fascists, but I dont think a centrists aim is to recruit the furthest right.
- See all, but understand nothing.

Perhaps the republicans were on the campaign trail with the democrats and they just followed them here?

Buncha conservative wankers

The only kind of NIMBY I can get behind.

Is Bluesky part of the fediverse?

You only have to talk sense.
- If Conservatives were capable of being reasonable, could process reality, and acted in good faith, then they wouldn't identify as Conservative
- lol. you just got here, huh?

Do conservatives and tankies added together cancel each other?
- lately dem centrists have been palling around with republicans, so maybe dnc centrists and leftists cancel each other out.
  
  Completely left out the rest of the world lol
- Nah that just ends up with weirdos hurtling down the NazBol vortex

Y'all jock ride VC money interests too much

Based on specific events or??
- This looks like it was printed in a newspaper in the 80's and scanned to digital in the 90's. If this was a filter I'd use it on all my memes.

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