Democrats Must Become the Workers’ Party Again

Now convince the democratic party leadership that serving their constituents is more important that kissing donor ass.

Convince them of that, and the winning elections thing will solve itself.

Their goal is never to win elections. Their only goal is to prevent leftist movements and organization from gaining positions of power. To defend these status quo.

Don't convince national Democratic leadership of anything. They're too disconnected and don't care about any state they don't live in. Run for, and take control of state Democratic parties. Start telling national leadership your terms for your state supporting or working with them.

If enough people do that. They will change or become irrelevant.

The best way is to bring single payer health care.

Every other G7 nation has it

The problem is they see large donors as the only path to victory as campaigns are expensive

Convince the voters to stop falling for culture war bullshit then

Losing is more expensive

Here I thought "providing the better option in a binary race" would be enough; but snowflake voters need individual attention?

"Here. We'll keep a traitorous felon out of office because that's the choice" and people still preferred the felon.

I think we need to start by apologizing to the Democrats for being stupid. Not just "oops I voted wrong" stupid, but "oops I voted for the Russian agent who's raped everything he touches and sold every secret he probably touched too, and is now oddly hellbent on destroying a country as a favour to Russia" stupid.

That's a lotta stupid.

General Strike. Shut the country down, they'll get violent. They will use the police and the national guard to attempt to break the strike. But hold firm, because then they'll beg.

Yup. The Democrats as we've known them need to die or completely metamorphose. I don't want my political party to be friends with CEO's and billionaires, I want my political party to get the American people's fair share. I want my party to look upon trillion dollar companies and billion dollar families with the same disgust and ire I have. There's no such thing as a good billionaire, a good person could never take that much.

Let's bust some monopolies, let's tax the fuck outta tycoons. Stop giving billions of government dollars to privately owned and traded companies. Let's invest in infrastructure projects that make our country better. Who gives a fucking shit about GDP, it doesn't make my life better.

MAGA took over the GOP in just a few years. I think the same thing can happen to the DNC. Just need a little propaganda, some charismatic leadership, and people willing to slander the establishment.

Bernie is a loser. So is Trump. Both have lost national elections.

Obama can’t relate 😎

first-past-the-post voting is the most common system in the States (and most prominent in presidential elections) which generally means additional parties rising to prominence will almost assuredly split the vote with the closest party so a new worker’s party will have to magically eclipse and obliterate the Democratic party overnight or they will both lose to the Republicans indefinitely.

DAMP SANDWICH 2028

Its a first past the post 2 party system. It's gonna have to be the Democrats.

I keep hearing this, but Biden shut down the rail workers strike and then slowly got them a small portion of that they were striking for. They would have gotten a better deal if Biden had just stayed out of it.

Teamsters wouldnt endorse him in 2024. Whens the last time you saw unions not line up behind a Dem?

When I look up what else he did, people like to say he appointed some people to some positions, and upped funding for NRLB. NLRB arbitrates labor disputes, but doesnt advocate for unions specifically. And Biden walked 1 picket line, while ignoring some others, like during the amazon strike. He did nothing in many cases where the cops were called in to brutalize picketers and demonstrators in both the amazon teamsters strike and the rail union workers strike.

So all this adoration for him showing up for one picket line for a few minutes, and one needless derailing of a rail strike. And no blame for his ignoring some other labor stuff he could have helped with if he actually cared about labor even just a little bit. Seems like a C- grade to me.

Following the new DNC flowchart: Is that better than an trump? OK, sure. If thats our only yardstick for everything.

Following the DNC critics: is that enough to get elected? Eff No. Biden and Harris both hemorhaged votes amongst union members too, along with every other working demographic. Working people do not see pro business centrists as serious partners. Dress Biden up in the clothes of being pro union all you like, I think everyone see thats thats just performative BS for the chumps. Just like his phony 'red lines' in pretending to push against war crimes while enabling them in both constant weapons shipments on the US taxpayer dime, and running interference for Israel in the UN. Should we give Mr best labor president ever a nobel peace prize for his strong stances against war crimes? Or can we stop this charade of his being the best president ever in every possible category?

The problem is that the voters do need symbolism. Voters are too stupid and propagandized to know what actions a party actually takes. Symbolism is all that matters. You can even just straight up lie and these dumbasses will believe it.

Because Democrats are holding the bag

Because no one expects anything but terrible policy, like those neoliberal ones, from the GOP. People think the dems will be for the people and workers not just the wealthy

They kinda were. People hate "RINOs," ofc Trump is in reality just more of the same, but like the author said he represents a "wrecking ball," and only thing resembling a deviation from the mainstream Washington consensus.

Who is it you think is guilty of insider trading?

People just don’t like them because they aren’t good enough.

It's more that they're still all in on incrementalism, while the problems people face are worsening by leaps and bounds, and they're actively hostile to members of their own party who advocate for advancing the sort of large-scale, structural changes needed to actually resolve the various crises bearing down on the working class. They're also at odds with their base on major issues, such as healthcare reform, a robust social safety net that isn't means-tested to death, and their obsession with supporting Israel, because they've been captured by the purse strings of their major donors. It certainly doesn't help peoples' opinion of them as embodying the out of touch elites who are deaf to the plight of the working class when party leadership comes out against [https://www.businessinsider.com/we-are-free-market-economy-pelosi-rejects-stock-ban-congress-2021-12?op=1](Congressional insider trading) that our representatives are notorious for exploiting to enrich themselves via privileged knowledge they gain through their positions.

If they didn't dump millions of dollars into primary challenges to progressive candidates that represent a challenge to the prevailing neoliberal order the Dem leadership so dearly loves, even when it means ultimately losing the race to a Republican, I doubt people would be so hostile to them, and the party would probably be in a better place. When party leadership won't resolve their issues in a satisfactory manner, won't listen to and incorporate criticism from their base, and actively fight their efforts to get elected officials who more accurately represent their views and values, it shouldn't be a surprise that people decide to go elsewhere.

You can't publish enough TikToks and youtube videos to media manage your way out of a hostile, out of touch group having a death grip on the party and refusing to admit that, perhaps, the present situation is vastly different today than it was 3-4 decades ago when they were first elected.

There are plenty of people, both politically engaged and those who only show up to vote every 4 years, who are legitimately dissatisfied with the Democratic Party's deafness to the problems facing the average voter, and as long as the Democrats and their supporters continue to stick their heads in the sand and pretend it's all down to a hostile media environment, the further down the path to complete irrelevance they'll find themselves.

Plus by 2024 he had over 90% of Class 1 Freight workers the sick leave their unions had fought for in the strikes earlier in his term.

It's definitely an issue with the spread of information and not with actual policy stances.

It's like pro wrestling. Their gimmick is that they are working class that busts their assess working hard labor jobs to feed their families. The democratic gimmick is that of well meaning and educated individuals seeking a bright future.

But in reality is that they are both moronic abusive assholes and one is a nazi.

So a long time ago, you could argue the Republicans were the worker's party. Abolionist-focused, was comfortable with immigrants more than other parties at the time, and Lincoln even exchanged letters with Karl Marx, but indrectly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_of_the_International_Working_Men%27s_Association_to_Abraham_Lincoln

Republicans in the 1800s stood for minimum wage, pushed for suffrage of women, and other generally good ideas like "Maybe we should listen to the unionists who are willing to die for an 8 hour work week."

But over the centuries since, the lines blurred. In the 1930s a Democrat pushed for expansions of the social net due to the great depression. In the 1950s, a Republican advocated for billions to spent on the interstate highway system, that has never once made a dime back over the last decades.

Then the southern strategy happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy Republicans marketed themselves towards the white South as a way to say "Hey we back what you stand for, whatever it is" and that's when South started to vote for Republicans, and Nixon took advantage of this.

But the Republicans today don't even care about the white workers, they don't about any workers, they only care about the rich. Have been since at least the 1980s from Ronald Reagan. Democrats lately tend to protect the workers more, but it varies from state to federal, but generally wages are up with Democrats, and we've had more expansions of workers rights with them.

How far back are they talking "traditionally"? You can make an argument that they were a century ago. Not a particularly strong argument, but there's an argument. Go back even further, and Karl Marx himself was congratulating Abraham Lincoln. After all, slaves are the most exploited workers.

The last 50 years, though? Absolutely not, but their bleating about "coastal elites" hoodwinks a lot of people to think otherwise.

I would really like to know why your American colleagues think that.

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2018-05-01-the-myth-of-the-republican-democrat-switch/

Tldr: Democrats were the party of the South until the 90s

Alabama, for example, didn't elect a Republican governor until 1986. Mississippi didn't elect one until 1991. Georgia didn't elect one until 2002.

Claims Nixon was the Republican who came up with the idea of pandering to racists

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_United_States_presidential_election

See Jimmy Carter’s support in the South

Democrats never lifted a finger for me. Every time I hear them doing something it's somehow not helping me again. My wages have stagnated while their donors got richer. Obama bailed out companies that closed production anyway. Dems handled this election so poorly it's barely believable. I genuinely don't know if they're actually opposition. They seem like they're on the same team as the other guys from where I'm sitting.

Ken Martin is now the chair of the national Democratic party. He was the leader of the DFL.

He also doesn't seem to be moving the party in any useful direction. Congrats on getting your monkeys paw wish I guess?

Ain't saying much.

And even he fucked over railroad workers when they striked.

Claiming to be pro labor starts at livable wages.

The problem with the DNCs version of being the "worker's party" is that the left leaning policies they do pass tend to be things that feel intangible to most workers. They pass infrastructure bills that in theory create jobs, but in reality usually take way too long to actually implement and are killed or watered down by the opposition. Even before they are watered down, they tend to largely be hand outs to large corporations who capitalize the lions share of the funding before anything trickles down to actual workers.

Workers want to see a political party that aren't afraid of taking direct action, they want to see tangible benefits.

Unfortunately, the GOP has enemy nations helping them with their campaigns/propaganda.

Are you so blind to the fact that a bipartisan system cannot possibly represent the people. The Democrats haven't driven politics for the working man for a long fucking while...

If they occupy the only space to fight Republicans, and they are doing a bad job at fighting Republicans, they should receive criticism.

Organizing along class lines is literally the farthest thing from "culture war bullshit" there is.

Lol, no they're fucking not, why are you all over this thread trying so hard to pretend that reality is different than it is?

You really like to defend blatantly bad groups, it's weird

Why do people act like the only real workers are oil workers, coal miners, and building contractors? This is a tiny sliver of the workforce.