Bernie Sanders accuses Harris of being 'influenced' by billionaires in 2024 race
Bernie Sanders accuses Harris of being 'influenced' by billionaires in 2024 race

Bernie Sanders accuses Harris of being 'influenced' by billionaires in 2024 race

Bernie Sanders accuses Harris of being 'influenced' by billionaires in 2024 race
Bernie Sanders accuses Harris of being 'influenced' by billionaires in 2024 race
I mean, he's correct in that both political parties have been bought and paid for by large corporations for a long time. This shouldn't be news, it should be plainly obvious by now.
One party is openly hostile towards the average citizen. The other puts on a friendly mask for the public but is also hostile towards the average citizen. None of them actually give a fuck about the average person. Trump is exceptionally arrogant and aggressive with his goals, but I promise he is far from the first person to have such goals or to exploit the government system for personal gain. He is the first to be so obvious about it, but it has been happening for decades, hidden under the guise of 'security' and other buzz words.
The news isn't that the Democratic party is bought and paid for by the oligarchy. The news is that Bernie has stopped playing nice with the DNC.
Thank you for that take; this is the important part. Now I'd like him to get mean, please.
Without organized labor parties to call for strikes or make demands we are really stuck waiting for somebody famous (and who we trust) to say what needs to be said, and organize what needs to be organized. And it needs to happen soon. In Bernie we could trust.
Well, duuuhhh. Is this a new or unique take?
Hes 100% right, she started the campaign great talking about progressive real issues, then when she started changing thats when she started losing support
No no no. She ran a perfect campaign.
I have it on good authority that she was stabbed in the back by far-left, transgender, pro-Putin antisemites.
Next time - and there will be a next time, it's her turn - she needs to be even more friendly with moderate Republicans and win back the Joe Rogan demographic. The Democrats need their own Jordan Peterson. They need their own Yeomni Park. They need their own Curtis Yarvin. They need their own X, The Everything App.
That is the only way to win the coveted American swing voter.
I hear it may be Gavin Newsom's turn. Just shoot me.
We choose the lesser evil. Now, look what happened when people don't act and give up.
Bernie Sanders whines about Democrats. But seriously, he has been in politics forever. What has actually done? I understand Bernie says the right things. But can we actually look at what a politician does before we support them? I love what Bernie says, and how he has recently rallied. But I need more before I can support a bashing of people who have actually done what they say.
This seems to be how the majority of Democrats in office are and they'll never see themselves as wrong... They just point at Trump and say he's what's wrong. And yeah they're not wrong about that but that doesn't make them right or good either. You get stuck running for a bad candidate or a downright evil candidate. And yeah I voted for Harris. I voted for Biden and Hilary too. Id vote for a literal log of shit on the floor before I voted for Trump, but that doesn't mean I liked the Democratic candidates or that I'm super happy with party. This country isn't set up to make third party candidates an option.. But no...I don't think the Democrats in office will every see themselves as a problem.
A third of your comment is a disclaimer that democrats arent exactly the same as Republicans. Sorry, you are well below the 69% threshold, and are now a secret Republican nazi Russian communist who loves trump with all your heart! /$
Is, "influenced by billionaires," a euphemism for, "she let her uber executive brother-in-law talk her into gutting any economic populism from her campaign in favor of tepid centrist policies that cost her the election and ushered in a new era of American fascism?"
I mean I'm not sure Bernie is that woke, much as I love him, but that's pretty much the view from over here.
Bernie is pointing out one of the major flaws of the Democratic Party and he is way ahead of his time in regard to US politics. Can you imagine if the USA would look at itself like Norway.
An oil producing enthostate governed by a neoliberal plutocracy?
I think we already tried that under Bush, Obama, and Biden.
I mean, I voted for her, and would vote for her again any day if it meant voting against Trump, but he's not wrong.
She's not really unique in that aspect compared to any other mainstream Democrat vs any outsider or mainstream Republican, and that's probably ~90% of the DNC's problem when it comes to overcoming voter apathy.
Realistically, most people are not expecting Dems to refuse large donations, but accepting a donation should not mean that you then compromise your own values to accommodate 1% of voters on any issue. That's not how a democracy is supposed to work. That's just pay to play.
The Dems though paint this like it’s a “necessary evil” they just have to accept all these donations from the ultra wealthy because you can’t win any other way
So the position starts off cynically pragmatic, and cynical pragmatism makes for a shitty rallying cry.
But then it doesn’t even work. They sell out to get the big money donations and then lose.
Ineffective cynical pragmatism is an even worse rallying cry.
And any time you get a Sanders or a Mamdani that shows a different path to success they go “oh sure that worked for them but it wouldn’t work anywhere else, only our cynical pragmatism works everywhere as long as you ignore all these electoral defeats”
The Dems though paint this like it’s a “necessary evil” they just have to accept all these donations from the ultra wealthy because you can’t win any other way
So the position starts off cynically pragmatic, and cynical pragmatism makes for a shitty rallying cry.
But then it doesn’t even work. They sell out to get the big money donations and then lose.
Ineffective cynical pragmatism is an even worse rallying cry.
And any time you get a Sanders or a Mamdani that shows a different path to success they go “oh sure that worked for them but it wouldn’t work anywhere else, only our cynical pragmatism works everywhere as long as you ignore all these donations from electoral defeats”
The big money on both sides is invested in the same places.
The rest follows from that.
Its so stupid to me that we've now reached the point that politicians don't even pretend to be public servants anymore. They're just paypigs doing whatever the money wants. Used to be, a campaign donation got you a "hi how are ya" and maybe a thank you card after the election. They sent you money and it was nice of them because you needed it.
Now with kamala, she got the largest grassroots fundraising of any candidate in history and what does she do? Listen to a bunch of rich fucks who gave the maximum contribution. I bet they all voted for Trump too. She's either the most incompetent and gullible politician in american history or the dnc are fascist collaborators. The way she turned away from every popular idea she had makes it seem like she was told to lose. Im sure its been fucking great for her brother tho.
Bernie is correct as per usual.
If only being correct has value with society at large...
Maybe he should start a podcast. Seemed to have worked for the right.
No doubt about it...
You mean when she changed her tune mid stride and went centrist?
Centrist? She campaigned with Cheney. That’s right wing.
She was at the center between fascism and conservatism.
Harris & 95% or more of the democratic party. Outlaw money from politics - lobbying, campaign finance, PACs, political foundations (i.e. Heritage), all of it.
The DNC is committed to insider trading, corruption and AIPAC. In no way do they represent the interests of the majority. They are rewarded handsomely to play reluctant enabler in the political theater.
Unfortunate truth here. The modern dnc exists solely to enrich their donors.
I mean he is right
…. She would have been another bandaid. Just like Biden was. Out of everything that’s happening right now, why is this making the news?
This is the liberal media distraction from the Trump Epstein files. It gives us anything to read about that isn't one of the 4 major dictators. Xi, Putin, Trump, or Netanyahu. Also allows the liberals to further balkanize into even smaller groups.
Now we're just gonna bleed to death.
Are we reddit now, posting USA Today articles like they're a proper news source? This is /r/news behavior. Might as well start linking New York Post articles, too.
https://www.compassvermont.com/p/bernie-sanders-criticizes-harris
Thanks for doing the leg work. USA Today is slop.
@return2ozma@lemmy.world appears to either be a bot or a newly minted user from Reddit. They're even using their Reddit Snoo as their avatar. I might just block them to avoid this idiotic content. They're posting lots of the same.
Are we reddit now
Pretty much. Have you gone on Reddit? It's literally the same posts as Lemmy. We're a filtered version that isn't controlled by a corporation but almost all the content here still comes directly from Reddit
Harris said on July 30 that she won’t run for California governor, leaving the door open for a potential 2028 presidential run.
Leaving the door open for her to run again or for someone else? How is being Governor relevant anyhow?
The door is open for her
As far as I know, one could be elected as California Governer in 26 and still legally run for president in 28, but it would be a lot, and open to attack for using CA as a stepping stone etc
Kamala not going for CA governor in 26 is being used as evidence for a 28 presidential run - it is kinda tenuous, but not completely out of nothing
Stepping stone? She already ran for president!
It's not just Harris, it's the whole Democratic Party leadership DNC...
Name one mainstream party in the current day world that isn't being influenced by billionaires or their country-specific equivalents (if the country has no billionaires for instance)
Mario Party
Bowser (evil billionaire who owns multiple castles) has paid Nintendo big bucks to make games about him and include him into Mario Party.
Sorry but this is true
Some green parties considering all of their policies are conflicts of interests with billionaires?
They still heavily compromise, only targeting very specific sectors.
Besides, billionaires aren't a monolith - they also have differing interests. Someone might have a heavy stake in solar power for instance and no stake in oil, in which case they'd support greens.
Greens in Australia do not take donations from corporations or property developers.
https://greens.org.au/campaigns/dirty-donations
They are the third largest party and hold balance of power in the Senate.
Well... duh
Sanders is such a fucking beauty.
Yeah no shit
“too many billionaires telling her not to speak up for the working class of this country.”
Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and all the other corporate Democrats are far from billionaires. That was her pressure group.
Pelosi is the wealthiest of the three due to her stock trading husband, just over $100 million, but still a far cry from a billion.
I wonder if the French were busy infighting when Hitler showed up
The Germans certainly were
Bērnard Sandeaux: Le Maginot line will not hold! We need a better strategy!
You: Good job helping the Germans, traitor
Bernie Sanders bent the knee to the same oligarchs in 2016.
Every day he fails to support the creation of a leftist party he continues to be complicit.
Bernie Sanders bent the knee to the same oligarchs in 2016.
Every day he fails to support the creation of a leftist party he continues to be complicit.
-SoftestSapphic
Explain
I feel like I was pretty fucking clear.
He has spent too long with the DNC, he's been compromising so long he can't phathom any leftist policies or canidates actually passing, including himself in 2016.
He supports the dying ideology of Neoliberalism out of habit, and it's sad he's the moat famous progressive that is allowed to exist in this country.
Because look at the wins third parties have achieved...
Democrats win?
I don't think 50 years of impotence feels like winning to me.
Look at the "wins" that the Democrats have achieved:
And yet, some people can't figure out why we don't want Bernie to keep supporting the Dems.
Do it lady!
That's funny, he also endorsed her candidacy.
If Bernie didn’t do that it would have been a guarantee that Trump won. The DNC wasn’t going to run anyone else so that was the only thing he could do. I’m not saying I’d do it myself, personally, but I understand the position he found himself in.
As usual, nuance/context is a thing.
. The DNC wasn’t going to run anyone else
The "DNC" doesn't run anyone, they support the Democratic candidate once chosen.
I respect Bernie. It's his right to run. When he's lost, he's always accepted it and endorsed the Democrat. He never claimed he was cheated or that the elections were rigged. He has integrity and understand that gradual improvement is better than straight regression.
Wish I could say the same for a chunk of his supporters though.
Reminds me of the people saying that if he didn't let the DNC rig the primary against him in 2016 then Trump would have won.
Good thing that decision resulted in Trump not winning, right?
Brother trump did win and bernie is a dnc stooge
Nuance and context are completely absent
Huh, it's almost as if he understands compromise/tactics/political game theory instead of being a hopeless idealogue. Imagine that.
Yup, it's not so much the compromise as it is which compromises. Compromising international rule of law by turning a blind eye to Israeli occupation and settlement is a different matter than compromising a hardline universal healthcare stance.
Yeah, IMAGINE THAT, 10 million people who voted for Biden and not Harris.
It was that or trump lmao.
A bunch of his supporters seem to have wanted Trump then.
Fuck this old crow. Bernie go away already
Raven Seldon vibes
Daamn. Also, did you know, Hilary Clinton was using private email server, and sometimes she used it to talk to her official stuff. I bet that's also very important.
But he was too. Not too long ago he was pro Israel because of his sponsors.
No for bernie it's ideological
Duh! That’s why we need a new political side, not left, not right, NEW! Because we need to drain the swamp, enter set terms and get the dinos out! Boomers votes are dwindling and now they are about to see the shift, first with NYC mayor and many other midterms to follow! LET US CHANGE! NO FUCKING KINGS!
Yeah, thanks for the heads up Captain Obvious, now fuck off, sheepherder.
Does this mean Bernie was also influenced when he backed her or is that different?
Did you expect him to back Trump???
Not really, but also expectations seem unrelated
Yup. Bernie is the lightning rod meant to embrace, extend and extinguish any leftist movement.
Sanders, shut the fuck up and step aside.
He's consistently not stepped aside for a long time because of his principles I implore you to seek something similar--common cussedness will take you further than a comanche's pony
votes to bomb yugoslavia
is pro occupation regime of west palestine
some nice principles lol
I implore you to stop politician worship. He is not above filthy backstabbing. He gave support during the campaign and now he's showering criticism. It's not principles, it's politics. Always has been.
“I think the key to Democratic victories is to understand that you got to stand unequivocally with the working class of this country,” Sanders said. “You need an agenda that speaks to the needs of working people."
Yep