Mods react as Reddit kicks some of them out again: “This will break the site”
Mods react as Reddit kicks some of them out again: “This will break the site”
Lol fuck reddit cuck mods anyways.
Working for free for a major company should be considered a mental illness. If your going to volunteer your time do it to an actual good cause.
Not fucking reddit.
Cmon. I deeply respect /r Eevee mods. What do they do, other than serve Eevee fans and have fun?
So glad to see some mods gone. They are power hungry petty people.
average of over 60,000 daily active moderators” that month, which, at the time, would mean that 0.1 percent of all mods equals 600 people.
No, it equals 60 people.
lol of course power mods would say that.
Fuck that dumbass site.
Every few months I check back and see if there's any news on awkardtheturtle rearing his ugly head, and every few months im satisfied they were totally obliterated
I got banned for updooting Luigi stuff.
And I'll fucking do it again!
I only got a warning, they said if I did it again I could face a site-wide ban though. Pretty disturbing that they're tracking upvotes to a post.. they said I also upvoted a Luigi comment.. but in both cases, they wouldn't tell me specifically which post or comment triggered it.
oh you have no idea, the AI moderation they are using was going to ban you after that warning anyways. the moment your account is flagged with warnings or temp bans, it makes you susceptible to a shadowban down the line.
I got banned for implying someone should give him a call. Reddit can lick my taint, it's not even worth making another account, I can talk to AI bots anywhere these days!
This is the way.
Bros are living in a fantasy, site was broken wide open years ago.
I got my 15 year old account permanently banned for filing one report against a user who was stalking my profile to call me slurs. (This was “abusing the report button”, apparently.) Everyone in my household got their accounts banned alongside mine. It’s very strange how the site is being run now.
Yes because they IP ban people
Yeah. When my 12 year old account got banned I stopped caring about that site and started creating new accounts every week and just posting whatever the hell I wanted without feeling like I needed to censor myself anymore. So their ban happy culture tends to have the opposite effect of what they want.
There's a browser script out there that auto-adds all your subs back from your old account, so it really wasn't even inconvenient for me other than the 2 minutes it takes to create a throwaway email account and create a new throwaway Reddit account.
And yeah, their methods for preventing you from coming back end up preventing others using the same computer or in the same household from coming back, so they just lose users. Their methods aren't very sophisticated though, so it's pretty easy to avoid them.
Shit site.
The problem with that is that it's so locked down now you need an account of X age with Y karma, so the majority of the site isn't something you can participate in. And I get it, lots of spam accounts and whatnot, but still shitty that they're a hair trigger away from destroying years worth of built up karma over nothing.
"Let's get rid of our longest running users, that should help the site move forward."
In a fucked up way, yes. As in I think it's intentional/logical on their part. The culture of reddit has been changing for a while. I think they would want the "old heads" to leave, but also leave behind their posts/comments for others (and Reddit) to benefit off of.
That's why people use those web apps that overwrite their comments with garbage. But I always think about how Reddit controls the servers, data, and backups.
Reddit has a whole metagame on trolling users in these ways. I don't think corporate cares at all. If anything spez probably welomes it.
Obligatory fuck Spez.
Yeah my 10+ yr account was like #340 in comment karma or some shit, I was clearly a contributor, but they banned me for nothing. Wish I would have sold it now.
you can sell an reddit account?
So how does a person sell their account !?
How much karma was that? I lost 3 accounts and one had over 100k comment karma, so they lost another good user here as well.
I loved to post solutions to problems that never got solved on several subreddits, oh well.
Woah... what's this? I had no idea reddit accounts hold value!
'member when redditors would ALL leave because of the API restrictions? This will have no real effect whatsoever. I'm glad that most redditors didn't move to lemmy.
That's when I left. Haven't turned back
Same
Some did leave, just not nearly as many compared to the numbers that claimed they would.
Thats when I left and made a Lemmy account instead.
Strong words from a former reddit refugee, my man, we were the redditors that moved to Lemmy
Nobody hates Reddit more than redditors.
Yep, I'm a redfugee myself
I mean, I sure did
I mean, I did. This is my 3rd account, after beehaw and then blahaj.
remember since this election, they have purging like crazy, up until may. people are still addicted to reddit, but lemmy also gained like 10k+? people from tha tpurge.
I still have a Reddit account that I use to follow NBA news and discussions, but I found myself going there less and less over time because most of the content is just so damn repetitive. The bots are really going into overdrive as of late, and it's making most of the big subs unusable. A lot of the small subs aren't any better because they're either controlled by some terminally online powermods or they're some extremely unhinged echo chamber. That being said, Lemmy isn't any better, but at least it's more private and less corporate.
Some subreddits have become completely impossible to post to. Your posts get deleted right away.
Plus, the option to default to Old Reddit doesn't work anymore. So fuck them.
I started going there way less after the API restrictions because my favourite client stopped working. Then, I got banned and found out there was a better alternative — Lemmy.
I jumped ship to Lemmy once they instituted the 'upvotes can get you banned' policy.
I kibd of agree.with this one, on the other hand reddit is not my circus and those mods are not my monkeys.
Hell, I never understood why anyone worked for free to make the owners richer ? Here I get (and thank you), like an old school BBS but reddit makes zero sense as a mod.
Fake importance.
I got a lifetime ban after 12 years on Reddit. I still have no clue why, and I really, really don't care.
I got perma banned a few years ago for saying pipzilla will stomp on ableists. cause apparently saying OCs of fictional characters will stomp on is a serious threat of violence Reddit moderation is so ass it's comical people don't believe me sometimes hwen itell them this is why i got banned but it is. v Pipzilla
Same. I got a permaban on 9/12 with zero explanation as to why.
I live in a small country that sysadmins don't care about. if I make an account on reddit, it will be banned the first time I say "hello" in the comments. there is no way for me to use Reddit. the appeal system is completely fake as far as i know. the messages go straight into the garbage they're not read by anybody.
I've gotten IP banned twice. Once for talking about my cat killing rabbits (violence!) and once for talking about racist attacks against my local mayor by right wing nutjobs (supporting racism).
It's astoundingly stupid. I was never once ever even banned or blocked from a subreddit until like 2022. Then I started repeatedly getting bans from lots of subs for racism, sexism and violence. Mostly for throughful comments that were getting tons of upvotes then I'd get some personal comment from a mod about what a jerk I was and how if I think men/women are the same, and race isn't a huge pivotal thing, and violence is part of life... well then apparently I'm sexist, racist, and promoting violence. I also pointed out some obvious viral marketing going on in some subs... and banned. I also start getting harassed and targetted and followed by people on the site. It was so weird to have someone show up in other subs to insult/harass me or the constant PMs from weirdos. Never ever got those until like '22 as well.
Reddit was great when it was small. People were reasonable and chill mostly and debate was allowed. I learned so much from so many great communities. Now it's just a corporate echo chamber that wants a inoffensive as possible Disney like image. It's run by dingbats with zero ability to make normal judgements and caters to nutbags and bad actors who actively abuse things.
That said IRL things are so getting worse. My entire life I've mostly head the same opinions... and now all the sudden I'm 'evil' because I don't agree with exteremist/ignorance-first agendas being pushed so hard.
I got banned for a month when I wrote that I disapprove of conspiracy theories. Some keyword list must have triggered it.
I’m currently on a 3 day ban on Reddit for “threatening others” because someone was going on about how they would smash people with telekinesis and I made a comment saying you could simply bend a prion without being dramatic and drawing attention to yourself.
Fuck Reddit. It needs to die, along with discord.
Reddit has been dead since February, when Spez met with The Goblin, and then permabanned thousands, maybe millions of highly active accounts, including me. I was permabanned for repeating a post I had made many times with no issues. After 12 years, and almost a million Karma, I was suddenly too dangerous to allow on the platform, along with thousands of others.
We high volume posters built Reddit, but we shifted from being assets to problems after Trump was elected again.
"subreddits will stop displaying subscriber counts and instead show their “unique number of unique visitors over the last seven days, based on a rolling 28-day average,” Reddit’s rep said. Notably, old.reddit.com will not get these new stats but will still lose subscriber counts"
They are hiding,for stock purposes, their declining numbers from everyone they have banned. 12 year user I never said anything outlandish just dark humor that I always have. Stuff that would have been easily ok 10 years ago. Nope no more
I was permabanned for saying fascists need to get curb stomped like one forefathers did.
I like how Reddit hosts the most hateful, vile, racist subreddits and bans people like me for not condoning it. That doublespeak is chefs kiss
Reddit died for me the moment RIF went down.
I still use RIF with a Revanced patch- the few weeks before I figured out how to do that I was zero time on reddit. That's probably healthier for me.
I'm trying to shift over to Lemmy more and more it's just difficult with some smaller/niche communities. But it's worth the effort given how much spez is on his knees.
Soon as they fucked over the Apollo dev…re, redd who?
I got banned for criticizing billionaires.
They updated their automod stuff a few months back and if you don’t follow the script you get banned very easily now.
seems like they are testing how to consilidate control of the subs, into 1 or a few person, or under AI. of course they probably wont affect the propaganda mods, like r/conservatives.
Got banned from the stims community after satirically commenting 'I'm 14 and what is this?'
The moderator demanded that I submit identity documents. I pointed out that the account was twelve years old but they couldn't back down at this point. I think they were trying to do a good job and were at least active but it was another nail in the coffin. In theory, an unpaid mod could be more objective because there's no profit motive but the reality is that many are ideologically biased or dumb or controlling and none of them are trained. That any single individual wants to be in charge of the narrative is suspicious. Scale that ambition up to hundreds of thousands or millions of people it's a red flag. Reddit is completely cooked these days, I haven't returned since finding Lemmy.
To be fair the account could be 9000 years old. You could be a 14 year old on their parents old account.
This one ain't the mods being dumb. This is just liability requirements. Which is its own kinda dumb but it's a whole different problem.
Breaking news: Reddit is on fire again. In other news, rain contains water and Twitter is full of Nazis. More at ten.
I don't want more Nazis at ten tho ):
Me literally every time my friends start bitching about Instagram.
I’m always like “who the fuck uses Instagram?” I guess I’m living in a different world entirely.
Just remember, people will be more open to trying the stuff you're into if you're compassionate about the things they're frustrated with!
(This is intended for anyone who wants friends or acquaintances to try the fediverse platforms. For those who don't or don't care that's perfectly valid too :)
I joined after getting some weird warning about upvoting comments reddit didn't like. That left a sour taste in my mouth.
Also, it's creepy that they check upvotes.
Caught a permaban for calling someone a coward. No big loss, honestly. Reddit wasn't doing anything for me except raising my blood pressure.
It made me doom scroll for hours. My life has been notably less stressful since i left reddit. What a shithole that place is.
Yeah, I didn't realize how much trouble it was causing me until I was gone.
people caught shadowbans seemingly as a new or old inactive account. apparently reddits filters is now sensitive, that new accounts look like bots, if they suddenly have alot of activity.
God forbid anyone make an account and decide to use it.
At the risk of agreeing with Reddit:
Under new rules rolling out over the coming months, a small number of users will be required to leave some of their moderator posts so that they aren’t moderating more than five subreddits with 100,000 monthly visitors.
That sounds perfectly reasonable. Reddit has a massive powermod problem.
Given Reddit's past unreasonableness, I wouldn't be surprised if this otherwise reasonable explanation has an alternative motive.
This was desperately needed.
But I'm not convinced they aren't just going to make alts.
True, but Reddit let this problem fester for a long time.
What's interesting to me here regarding this, is Reddits current preparation timescale. This isn't going to be enforced until March 31st, 2026. This tells me that Reddit would have been unprepared for a complete mass-walkout of community moderators during the 2023 Reddit API strikes. A large chunk of Reddit during that period was genuinely inaccessible. But after a few token gestures and a few examples made of some especially rebellious mod-teams, most of the striking moderators returned.
A huge opportunity was missed by people running major communities to functionally degrade Reddit in at least the medium-term as a website. You can't just hastily promote random people to replace moderators Reddit is either forced to remove or who leave voluntarily. The average person is likely too lazy, too arbitrary and too corrupt to effectively oversee communities of notable sizes.
The quality of reddit took a massive hit after the strike and never recovered.
I was on one of those “especially rebellious mod-teams”. We were even interviewed by Ars Technica about it all at the time.
On advice of a majority of our users, we took our sub offline and kept it that way until Reddit booted us as mods. Honestly, this was the outcome I was expecting — hell, I was pretty open about goading them into it. What was the alternative — to cave to the platform that was abusing us so I could keep working for them for free?
That’s the part I didn’t understand about my fellow mods from other subs. Many of them caved pretty quickly. Their identities seemed to be so tied up in being a Reddit mod that they couldn’t let it go, even though the relationship was obviously very unequal. Too many other people stood up after witnessing the mod abuse to take over from those who got the boot, just asking for the Reddit boot to be applied to their necks instead.
Well, I wish all the mods the kind of treatment they forgave/ignored the last time around.
actually, thier purges since the election was too effective, and removed so much users and mods by banning them. plus the shadowbans have dramatically increased, because they made the filters to sensitive to "potential bots/spammers). 50/50 irl users/bots. at least right now, its reddit is filled with charlie kirk propaganda(negative and positive), with a little hint of luigi.
That was my reaction too. I don’t feel like digging in to see if it’s actually bad though. Not gonna affect my life.
Its probably related to the whole paying users thing.
We all presume that being the mod of several large reddit communities doesn't include the possibility of sidehustle financial benefits.
Yet, humans are innovators of corruption! And I can only assume that any multi-mega-subreddit moderator has worked out something to make what is obviously a full time job worth their time.
I heard mods of big subreddits can get basically sponsored by big companies and go to events. Half the pc gaming subreddits have what are basically ad posts pinned by the mods.
It could be viewed as reasonable if viewed alone. I think that its fine and could make a lot of sense for control over their platform.
The history of reddit sheds a different context in my mind though. Mods are volunteers. Subreddits were established to moderate themselves, implementing nuanced rules for their specific topics that might differ from other subs that need completely different rules and approaches. Its part of what made reddit unique compared to alternate sites.
Then they made moderating much more difficult by eliminating third party apps. Then they started implementing their plans to take the platform where they wanted it, which is fine because its their platform, but they wanted all their mods to do a bunch of work and in a certain manner to make it so. Very demanding on free labor.
So there's mods still around and they want to restrict them more? Who knows, maybe that's a great idea but they made the mess they're in. This decision isn't a single on on its own, its part of a stack of them.
Yeah. I mean, I remembered seeing someone named awkwardturtle on there and they moderated like some 30+ subreddits? That's ridiculous.
Users like that should not have that much power.
The problem with powermod isn't that they exist, though. Moderation of a large sub is still done by volunteers that have had to hack solutions together because they don't get a lot of support from Reddit. It helps Reddit to have experienced mods overseeing several subs because they bring with them experience on how to handle high profile and large scale moderation efforts. They are a technical talent pool that Reddit relies upon a lot.
The problem is that Reddit has shitty mod governance. It still uses rank by add date and offers no ability for users to kick a mod out except for TOS faults. Reddit doesn't want to fix mod governance issues because it creates a legitimate mod power structure and Reddit doesn't want to give that much power to users, including mods.
That said, Reddit's shitty mod governance was copied directly to Lemmy.
Not really. The powermods arent bringing anything unique moderation except a network that allows them to control content for a specific audience. This is not about enforcing subreddit rules its about subreddit mods pushing an agenda across their subs and pushing sponsored posts outsides reddits ad program.
Its overall a good thing but the powermods will be replaced with reddit admins doing the ame
Yes, but they are also doing this to deleverage their mods and consolidate censorship power with corporate
admins actually are the one that hold all the power on the site, mods are the plebs that have to play ball. admins are only 2nd in power to spez. they are the ones behind the aggressive somewhat indiscriminate shadowbans and purges. its only a matter of time before they drop the mask and increasing more right leaning content.
reddit might want AI to control some of the subs, dont you think?
It would have made sense if done years ago. Doing it now is suspicious.
Being a bass aggregator myself, its less likely they'll bite the hand that feeds them first,The exposure for my friend's accounts have been phenomenal though.
How is no one mentioning the abuse on r/conservative where spewing all kinds of falsehoods, and xenophobias and you are gold, but trying to provide factual information gets banned?
I think there are more things to worry about than the number of groups someone helps moderate.
And alsothere is no recourse against improper bans. I was banned from my corresponding country sub because a moderator misinterpreted something I said.
Allowing volunteer mods was dangerous enough. Allowing those mods to have unlimited subreddits was a magnet for agenda-driven operatives. The changes don't really do enough to get rid of mods with an agenda.
BTW, once a Reddit mod permabans you, there's no way to appeal their ban. The mods can simply ignore your request for a review. Also, after you are banned, Reddit doesn't automatically decrement the membership count. You must unjoin on your own. So its membership numbers are inflated for each subreddit.
Mods should be forced to indicate what rule was broken when banning. All bans should be appealable on reddit and addressed by a human being. Mods who have a history of frequent ban overturns should be suspended or banned.
I think the concept of moderation by an individual needs more scrutiny. Why not build a software algorithm to allow for subscribers to vote on moderation actions?
In other words, instead of vertical top heavy moderation, privide a more level, more horizontal process, where our peers play a significant role, or even act as co-moderators.
We are recreating in software all the top down vertical hierarchies we tend to be sceptical of in the real world. Why?
Imagine if there were no jury trial? How much worse would things be?
So why do we build an online world with a lower standard than we use to build the physical world. That's just sloppy.
Funny to hear from the new mods that replaced their predecessors during the protest. Now it's their turn to be replaced
I'm starting to get convinced that Redditors and mods are just gluttons for punishment by that platform.
They're planning on kneecapping old.reddit in this update too, and you see all the typical howling about "if they kill old.reddit I'm leaving fr this time" while at the same time, another big thread one comment lower is about all the ridiculous bans that people have gotten. And this is a mere two years after the API fiasco.
Why do people continue to use a platform that has proven time and time again that the asshole(s) in charge do not give a single fuck about them?
It's not about the platform but it's where most of the people are. There's just not a lot of people here, especially in relation to niche subjects.
There could be if people had / acted in accordance with any kind of principles of self respect. They’re ants in some rich mega douche’s ant farm, donating their time and energy to their captor, but refuse to make the fucking 6-inch journey to a free ant hill beside them.
Almost all of us are here because of the API bullshit. Those who stayed did us a favour, I reckon.
Thats what i like about it. They can stay there.
Fuck it's been two years...
Reddit is in an incestuous relationship with Google. So it'll remain relevant as long as it's results keep getting into the front page of the biggest search engine. Add to that, the results getting fed into AI responses.
Influencers and marketers love Reddit at least as much as they still love Twitter.
These mods have ignored the previous waves of people leaving reddit. They were aware of this and have been warned but chose to stay
its the admins and spez instituiting these changes, reddit was doomed the moment it went public. the mods were too complacent.
They are power-hungry
The best way to leave reddit is to get permabanned.
lol can confirm
Can confirm. You can have the mildest takes and still get permbanned.
Did you know, that saying Neo-Nazis should be named and shamed is a permbannable offense?
Reddit is becoming Xitter 2.0 and I'm really hoping the remaining human users on there figure it out soon.
actually since reddit start scrutinizing new accounts and old accounts, you dont even need to cmment to get shadowbanned. thier AI just assume "sudden activity from a new or old account, is consider bannable" they see these types of accounts as potential bots. but we know reddit just wants less users, and only browsers to site anyways.
Yes, I expressed outrage at a disgusting state sanctioned murder in Iraq and suggested the invaders perpetrating these horror deserve to see the same kind of violence in their own cities. Permaban of the entire website forever. I could easily evade the ban but, this was also when the API trouble and the "reddit is fun" app stopped working. The writing was on the wall, duck that place and everyone in it. I won't be taken hostage anymore.
I never looked back and I'm glad I did, I was wasting so much of my precious time in that ducking disgusting dump. I hope Lemmy doesn't Septemberify for a long time. I really hope steps are taken to prevent centralization and owner dominance of Lemmy before it becomes reddit with extra steps
Another easy way is to use a VPN like Mullvad. They block you and you can't see anything.
I DO use Mullvad! It's only $5 a month. I love it.
Can corroborate lmao. They’ve saved me so much time that I usually spent correcting misinfo, but I guess that’s what they want on their platform. Anyways Lemmy’s been an okay replacement.
I feel like I went through withdrawals, took like a month to get over it, now I rarely use reddit, not missing anything, just thought I was, I guess I do miss reddit from like 2015, but it was getting worse every year, one of my last posts months before my permaban was asking for alternatives. (It's how I found lemmmy lol)
Reddit is also at a point where everything has been asked and is asked again weekly, i don't really need to post/comment anything myself and my votes mean nothing because of the volume. Most of my comments would get lost in a void.
They use weirdly aggressive fingerprinting to make sure you don't make any new accounts, too. What a bunch of weirdos.
It's so easy
There's still way too many niche communities on Reddit that just haven't taken off on Lemmy e.g. alternative and non-team sports.
There's a ViolentMonkey script that can automatically delete all of your Reddit comments. I just run that every few days.
It's not ideal, but it's the best that I can do if I value access to those communities, which I do.
It’s definitely Reddit attempting more censorship and manipulation of the front page, but I’m still happy the powermods are being fucked.
Yeah it's like idiots killing idiots September
They’re competing to be the lead idiot.
Limiting the number of large subs a user can moderate is a good way to a) limit their power b) reduce misinformation campaigns.
Hey, they chose to offer free labor for a company that has proven time and time again to not give a crap about the mods or the users. I get why they are complaining but I at least hope that they aren’t surprised or expect that their complaints will do anything.
Mods get to control the political climate of their subreddit. Those with a political agenda would pay for that privilege.
I'm surprised that Reddit has any active users, personally. It's just so... Fake now.
And so many more right wingers. Even 10 years ago those people would have been downvoted to oblivion now they make top comments.
Reddit for me was an escape from my red state and actually talk about policies I'd like to see along with just other general interest. And if I want to shit on someone for their take or just to blow off Steam. That was the place to do it. It hasn't been that for about 2 years now. I've been off reddit completely for the last 6 months.
I won't even click a Google link to it in search results.
I really would like lemmy to become more popular because it's user base is so small
Sadly the few subs I frequented are still active and more useful than their Lemmy counterparts.
You can only lead horses to water.
I have negative respect for mods at this point.
I've seen too much unchecked mod abuse to ever take their decisions seriously again.
I was in the WNBA sub a while back. And there was a conversation going about fair pay. I wasnt too into it, but I commented "Is the league profitable now? I thought it was still needing investment from the NBA?" Got instantly banned, and a rather nasty message from a lesbian woman, who was also non binary and "2S". Why was any of that relevant to the conversation? Fuck knows. But she made a point of telling me anyway, while calling me a troll for saying that the WNBA was shit... which I didnt, as you can see from the comment. During the discussion of her inserting what she thought I was saying, I got the back story. I was then reddit banned for "harassment". Thats right, she reported me to reddit for asking why I was banned, and saying that I never did what she said I did.
That was the last interaction I had with a mod, the first was about 20 years ago in an xbox forum. Somehow, a playstation fanboy had got into the mod team and started banning people for saying that they prefer xbox to playstation... on an xbox forum... I have hated mods for as long as Ive been on line. They have nothing been anything other than power hungry bullies.
And yet they still shadowban. Fuck Reddit.
I have very little sympathy for reddit mods. Too many of them are petty little tyrants with no checks on them. I hope the door hits them on the ass.
Tbf that's often the issue with mods. I'm a mod and I'm power hungry and reign with terror.
Most of the good ones have left since they locked off the API and make most of the tools stopped working anyways. They were already kicked off when they did the strike back then so the remaining mods are pretty much the power mods that taken over after said strike.
many of us were forced out because reddit decided they were going to start purging accounts months on end.
Imagine still using Reddit in 2025.
Must I?
There's a saying in my language that fits this situation perfectly: "Tja."
If I might add also for: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
"Ja mai"
In my language we also have a saying: "nyeeerrrrrrr"
It's interesting to see the site treat it's unpaid workers more and more like low level employees. I guess capitalists just can't help themselves.
The mods under discussion are the ones that mod more than FIVE large communities. if those people haven't figured out a way to make that a paying gig, then they're doing it wrong.
What kind of meat stick would do this? I still just literally cannot understand why someone would put themself in this position, no matter how entrenched into their parents basement they are, or how bad they smell.
Speaking as a former top 1%er redditor... figuring out how to do it and being willing to do it are two completely different things.
Life would be so much easier if I lacked basic human ethics. :)
some mods are admins themselves, and some only care about POWER so not so much about money. and then theres the propaganda subs, like r/conservatives(well known to be backed by russia)
and allowing AI to train thier models. Reddits /GOOGLE and lesser extent openai is stuck at the hip.
Reddit users, as have Xitter, Facebook, Instagram, Threads, etc., have all demonstrated that you can do whatever the fuck you want to them and they'll just keep coming back for more, no matter what.
Even after decades of abuse, you can open up a brand new platform (Threads) and they'll join by the millions.
Its like almost like the sites are drugs and the users are junkies that will do anything for a hit.
I recall recently a post that alluded to the fact that the two industries that call their customers "users" are drug companies, and online services.
There's a real sunk cost fallacy going on when you've been on Reddit for, say, ten years - until you realise that karma, reputation, and awards and stuff are just bollocks.
Fuck Reddit basement dwelling mods and fuck Reddit in general, so glad I'm done with that shit app, I say something a little mean and I get perm banned, fucking losers
The echoes in the chamber get louder every day.
One the one hand I can understand the issue that one person wielding mod power in many subs is a problem, especially if that mod is prone to abuse of the mod position.
On the other hand, some subs, especially smaller ones, might go modless.
What I would have done differently is that I would not align this rule on the number of subs alone. The size of a sub should also be a factor, as well as overall number of mods in those groups. A good solution would be not as easy as what they propose.
moderating more than five subreddits with 100,000 monthly visitors.
I mean, that's clearly a rule that considers size of sub a factor, so, um, what?
It's social media, people only react to the headlines... they don't educate themselves on the issue because that would interfere with them generating the next hot take.
Tbh, I'm active in some modless subs, and apart from the occasional spam or lost redditor it mostly works. r/Arduino (iirc) for example is unmoderated and not exactly small.
People downvote garbage content and it gets hidden fast.
Compare that to e.g. r/showerthoughts which is so heavily moderated that you need a masters degree just to manage to post there without getting your content deleted or r/WiiUHacks where the mods ban you for mentioning the wrong Wii U hacking project (e.g. Pretendo) even though you broke no rules.
The AI moderation is crap as well, but the upvote/downvote system is robust enough to work as a makeshift automoderation system.
Honestly just get rid of the mods.
These days some AI bot instructed on the sub rules would probably do a much better job. Nd not be a power hungry bitch
What are you talking about? We've had artificial power hungry bitch technology for years
Limiting the power mod reach is a good thing, but still, this will break Reddit. Ordinary users will not be lining up to step in as small time moderators. Especially if Reddit Inc is going to remove them if they do anything they don't like.
Reddit Inc will just go "what the hell, we'll throw more AI shit in the Automoderator. It's not like it'll do worse than the current arbitrary quagmire of moderation rules - or maybe it will be, who can tell the difference anyway".
Killing super-mods would have been much more effective 5 years ago, back when there were still lots quality moderators in small subreddits. I remember people screaming for years this was a problem they needed to do something about.
However, during the last blackout (triggered by Reddit killing off 3rd party apps), Reddit removed hundreds (thousands?) of moderators who wouldn't toe the party line. These people aren't coming back and there aren't quality people lined up behind them to donate their time. The mass moderator removal made the super-mod issues even worse.
"Worse" only being "less engagement in the next quarter."
AI mods are probably pretty good in that respect. Random bans don't really matter, they can stick to the party line, and letting a bit more controversial or ragebait disinformation through is a plus. In the short term.
It limits mods to 5 subs with over 100,000 monthly visits it seems reasonable to limit the mods reach they all have back deals going on to push agendas and ads it's pretty fucked.
Yeah, I thought it actually may be a rare Reddit W for 2 minutes, until I saw reddit admins will grant exceptions. So likely, mods that push reddits agendas will stay while the uncooperative ones will have to go.
putting limits on the number of subs a user can moderate is like putting limits on the number of articles a wikipedia editor can edit.
typically moderation is an opt in job and you want people who actually want to do it to keep things going smoothly. all this will do is make the pool even smaller which will lead to subs becoming more toxic.
Then how do you manage the type of people who just want control over as much a possible to stroke their own ego while doing a terrible job or pushing their own agenda?
Surely it's better for unmoderated pages to prune themselves, leaving only ones with enough interest to survive.
Allowing opt-in moderation attracts mods with an agenda. That's a big problem with Reddit.
I think it's a pointless change, it's not too difficult to create multiple identities if you wanted to moderate multiple subreddits. The actors trying to control subreddit moderation for commercial or political purposes will not be slowed down by the requirement that they maintain multiple identities.
If they wanted to 'fix' the comment toxicity problem, they could require x active moderators per active user. If it goes above that then non-subscribers can't comment. The rules don't mean much if there are 10,000 people commenting on each of 3 posts and there is 1 moderator who's afk and checking the report queue a few time per day.
Also, if you notice from most of Lemmy, having a smaller community creates social pressure for people to behave better. Once it gets to the point where you never see the same person twice people think they can behave badly because nobody knows them.
Literally another attempt to appear legit by putting in place an easily circumventable rule.
So first they don't even check if mods are using alt accounts to moderate other subs but even if they do force it, it's so easy to click a button on your VPN and you are free to be anyone you want according to "Reddit Corps Super Advanced Security System."
Reddit can ban users across vpn with their automated system. Its even easier if they have tasked someone to look into doing it. I doubt people are taking enough steps to prevent the browser fingerprinting that gives them a unique signature.
Well reddit has a vpn detection system, they have been automatically banning vpn user since last year, so its very risky to even use it, its very easy to detect it from reddit. thats why some power users have hundreds of accounts/thousands using more expensive methods. and i heard they are even detecting some of those now.
Site is already broken
the mods that arnt playing ball with reddit that is. the power mods, or the mods that have the admins ear wont be affected.
Holy shit, they are finally doing something about karmawhores! Not in a particular effective way, they can just alt themselves to kingdom come, but they are doing it.
It was sometimes very telling where those mods were participating in, and given that they've also recently implemented features to make that more difficult (anonymized moderator replies, hidden mod lists, hidden user histories) but haven't really addressed the alt issue, it may have to do more with those embarrassments. Bye bye to the last vestiges of self-incrimination Reddit provided for.
Good. We already saw the abuses of certain mods who were basically running a reddit mafia, with power over multiple subs and abused the every living fuck out of that power. Reddits mods, I cant think of anyone more deserving of having their power striped away. Ideally, it would be 1 sub, as 5 is still too many.
MRW someone posts about Reddit still being a shit community tolerating abuse on a downward arc from Advance Publications, to Mods (fuck Spez), to users.
"Hey guys, I heard about a poppin' new club! The cover is only $10, but bouncers get to backhand anyone anytime they feel like it, and kick you out anytime that you advocate support for anything even slightly left of center." /s ᕕ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕗ
Break it hahaha! Fuck that place!
I've been off Reddit totally since 2023, so part of my understanding may be out of date, but before that I was on for many years and watched how powermods became powermods.
Thus this situation is very unusual. Reddit never did anything about the powermod situation before, but now, suddenly, it's a big deal. For years (over a decade, at least) users have been screaming about the worst abuses on the site being from powermods, and time after time Reddit bent over backwards to not only avoid doing anything about it, but seemed to grasp every opportunity to enhance the problem any way they could, shutting down complaints rather than the power trippin' bastards that were regularly creating the problems.
Note that powermods very frequently mod the largest subs, which is how they became powermods to start with: modding a sub that got big and then being invited to help mod new subs that then also grew in popularity.
For myself, I don't think anyone would give two shits if "powermods" only had an aggregate total of 500 users each, but very frequently they have millions, even tens of millions. Looking at the largest subs on the site and the powermods on those subs, and how many of those powemods are crossovers on equally dominant subs, you see the same core group of powermods across all the top sites, give or take a few individually here and there.
Strangely, this is the group Reddit is now disbanding.
Another thing to consider is how many powermods went on to become admins over the years. At least a handful: I don't know the exact number anymore but it's non-zero. Powermods who are admins are especially useful to Reddit, because they ensure that the c-suite has direct control over some of the largest subs without ever appearing to do so.
All this is to say that the powermod situation has been mutually beneficial to Reddit admin for ages, which is why they never changed it or even really acknowledged it.
But now, for the first time since 2005, Reddit powermods are suddenly a problem. So what's changed? Cui bono?
My guess is that Reddit admin is about to a) yank the entire site to the hard right by removing pretty much all effective human moderation and thus preventing powermods from being able to stand in their way across the largest subs (some of which we've already seen and the article addresses), and/or b) introduce some other vile change or policy that is certain to piss off EVERYONE, including every non-bot mod on the site, to the point that admin expects a general revolt even among the powermods and need to dilute the individual power of mods in advance.
One very hypothetical change that could do the trick is Reddit forcing mods, including powermods, to quietly engage in collecting evidence of and reporting users and content that admin would like to sell to the current US admin, for example: intel which Reddit is well situated to provide and for which the current administration has already been calling in the wake of a certain recent death. What if Reddit decides to go all in with the present political trajectory, looking for political power as well as the payout they're usually in it for, and in so doing force mods to comply or lose their subs? It's not like Reddit hasn't already done it for less.
Again, these are just my own musings. But whatever the reason, Reddit admin calling it quits with the powermods suggests something much larger than just another light rehabbing of Reddit power structures.
When i read the section on how they'll no longer be responding to complaints i had the same exact thought you did. Triming the fat to make the change easier on themselves in the future.
they allowed 92 mods to control over 500+subs, im betting these are mostly the subs that have alot of traffic and controversy(mainly discussion based subs, plus news and politics and any subclones of these subs)
Piefed/Lemmy/Fediverse: freedom from capitalist tyranny. True organic, human communities.
Reddit is cyberpunk. It's a world governed by a corporation that acts as its government and only cares about its shareholders, not its citizens.
Reddit is basically state controlled.
since spez is inlove with how musk is running things, he wants it to be facebook/twitter clone, where people just browse the site without logging in, and exposing them to tons of ads. Im surprised reddit hasnt increased the frequency of ads on the site.
Ha....... Ha..................... HA
Further, subreddits will stop displaying subscriber counts and instead show their “unique number of unique visitors over the last seven days, based on a rolling 28-day average,” Reddit’s rep said. Notably, old.reddit.com will not get these new stats but will still lose subscriber counts.
That's hilarious
Sucks to suck
hiding the bot numbers, no doubt, and shielding bots comment history as well.
Thank goodness for the fediverse.
All power to the owners. But go on suckers. Keep pretending you have power as mods.
If /r/wallstreetbets would just move to Lemmy, I'd have no reason to ever look at reddit at all. Wallstreetbets has been pretty solid on giving me tips to make money recently. The rest of the site is trash.
Good?
it's already broken
So some of the gentry is not so landed anymore?
Seems okay, Reddit should eliminate the powermods
i wouldnt be surprised if reddit just have AI managing these subs in the future.
I'm only on reddit for a few subs and the pointless awards. I'm hovering close to 500 day in a row award lol
Can't kill a reanimated corpse, reddit is already dead.
Can't scroll mainfeed there without some soft core porn from sippintea pop up