Do you think anyone will be able to remember who any of us are in 600 years?
Do you think anyone will be able to remember who any of us are in 600 years?
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They may not remember us by our names, but they'll be able to see the effects of the choices we made.
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ngl I don't know if the earth will even be inhabitable in 600 years
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No.
Because history remembers people or groups who have made astounding and monumental moments that change the course of history.
They aren't going to remember a dude who spent most of their time jerking off and doing the average lifestyle.
And why 600 years?
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Well, do you remember anyone from 1425 or even 1625?
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Wikipedia does.
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That's pretty neat actually.
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Tbf, they didn't have mass surveillance back then.
If the data doesn't get lost, someone could find an average human in a developed country born in the 21st century, and could know what their entire life is like.
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No.
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I will write a blog complaining about copper prices. If my sources are correct I will be remembered forever.
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"It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sommbitch or another."
No one needs to remember me except my kids. Maybe my grandkids.
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Too late, thanks to big tech, your grandkids will know what type of porn you watch.
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Yeah, and they'll like it, whether they like it or not!
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"JAYNE, the man they call Jayne."
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Depends how big you fuck up.
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To be fair I don't remember anyone from 600 years in the future.
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I imagine some archivists might find the lost fragments of this server is some ruins and by some miracle, maybe extract this very thread.
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Fat chance, we're not carving things on glass or stone. SSDs and HDDs lose their contents and are irrecoverable even within our own lifetimes
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You are most likely right but it really depends on what we come up with in the future.
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Hi to the future! 👋
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Yes. Or, they'll get the thread with the awkward dog meme about a microwave. It's beautiful to contemplate.
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How many people do you know who were alive 600 years ago?
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Few people left who remember me now already
I'll be forgotten once me, my wife, my family and my few friends die, so left say nobody will know me or my accomplishments 50 years from now, tops.
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I wonder who the last person will be that knows how to fix a dos machine.
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They will if I eat the Mona Lisa
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There's a running phrase that gets' mentioned a lot in the Peanuts comic strip: "500 years from now, who'll know the difference?"
Just wanted to mention that. Peace ✌️
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Dude I’ll forget you ever existed when I leave this thread. Bye.
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Gonna be awkward as fuck if there is an afterlife and you run into OP after you both expire.
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The afterlife being on Lemmy isn't the worst thing I can think of.
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If someone actually assassinated 47. They may last that long in history teachings.
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I don't really want to be remembered for generations, if I am that means that statistically I was a bastard
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Brave of you to assume that humanity will exist in 600 years.
Actually, we might be, but the better-off ones will be back at sticks and stones and huddling around wood fires and the like.
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I really doubt this. Humanity is really good at surviving things.
My prediction - at a certain point, we gain the ability to port human brains to computers. The most wealthy gain this tech first, and effectively become immortal. Using their wealth (which is likely always accumulating) they are able to afford lots of redundency and good tech + energy to function at extremely high levels of performance - essentially making them immortal gods. I assume they will form alliances and rivalries, and stake out ground based on the now-general-intelligence AIs they have created.
Most people who choose transhumanism after this will need to utilize their afterlife continuing to work in order to pay for the ongoing cost of running their servers.
Meanwhile, humans still made of meat will have started conducting experiments on their genetics. Initially this will be about simply reducing or removing the chance of carrying a genetic disease. But soon they will start working on how to generally be better than others - improved cognitive abilities; sexier, stronger bodies; improved emotional regulation. Not long after, it will start being considered irresponsible to have children without the standard genetic modifications that the middle class can afford. Permanent class stratifications will be etched into dna. Even further along, the rich take genetic modification into fashion, creating physical markers of class stratification which will gradually make them look less human. As genetic class differences widen, there will be increasing class wars - in each one, the upper classes and those aligned with them will eliminate more and more of the lower classes. Slavery will also make a comeback, as those without genetic modifications (or with sufficiently lesser modifications) will be deemed too irresponsible to manage their own affairs and function in society. The descendents of the ultra-rich transhumanist gods, who will have the best and most fashionable genetic modifications, will be the first to achieve immortality in the flesh. But there will probably develop a sort of cultural expectation that they eventually give up their flesh and become transhumans like their anscestors.
Therefore, I will not have children unless I earn enough to afford their genetic modifications. To do otherwise would be irresponsible.
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Isn't this the plot of Schismatrix by Bruce Sterling, the rich Mechanists that extend their life through machines vs the Shapers who rely on genetic modifications. Love, Death and Robots adapted a few short stories from this books universe that were very good
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Is that even human tho?
Like the scientist who invented it will say its human, but from an ontology perspective, you can't ever be sure about that. That could just be killing you and copying your brain.
No way in hell I'm gonna "upload" my brain. It's suicide. Star trek teleporters are murder machines.
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I don't want to brag, but I've made a meme or two that got dozens of up votes. It's basically immortality. I'm sure there will be statues and monuments of me by then.
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Doesn't even take that long. My parent passed away and left boxes of pictures from 50 to 75 years ago and no one recognizes. Why did they have these pictures and boxes of them? No notes. Nothing.
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As they say in preservation, metadata is key.
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Upload it to Google photos or Facebook bet their face recognition AI would know lol
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I don't think humanity is going to make it another 600 years tbh
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I think humans might, but we won't have fancy skyscrapers, we'll be living in bunkers hiding from whatever disaster (war, plague, radiation, alien invasion) is on the surface.
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An alien invasion couldn't possibly make things worse.
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I find it odd that natural disaster isn't on your list considering it's by far the most realistic scenario. Hell, it's already happening.
I guess the word "natural" isn't very accurate for a climate disaster, but still, it's not on your list.
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We sure are a dumb species. We’re able to construct all this stuff using the world around us but we can’t seems to figure out working together instead of constantly competing
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No, but AIs will be able to generate a statistically accurate simulacrum of a set of people like us.
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yes, but only the biggest brightest bonfires.
will charlie kirk be known? nah. will Donald Trump be known? absolutely.
the bigger the bonfire, the more damaging it is to society.
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I barely think Trump will be remembered. In 600 years we'll have a completely different economic/political system. I can't image our quaint ideas of 'nations' lasting much longer. This economic/political system was a flash in the pan from just after the Napoleonic wars till about now. I'm not sure what will come soon, but we've been stuck with an antiquated system now for over 70years.
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If some people get their way, then Kirk will be remembered somewhat, like Franz Ferdinand.
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He’ll be known like any other president 600 years ago
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I mean, I'm sure you can name a half dozen or so people from the 1400s. I highly doubt anyone will remember me personally as one of those half dozen people, but I'm fairly certain that with the advances in technology the average people of the year 2625 will be dimly aware of closer to a dozen people alive today.
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Not me.
But from this echo chamber, it surely seems like the current us president will live in infamy. Think about online debates over who was worst president ever: now it’s clear. And if he truly is accelerating the fall of the American century, then yes, he’ll be taught about ins cho for centuries to come
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I am doing Genealogy as a hobby and in most of the lines I am in the 18the century, in some in the 17th century.
What I learned during this hobby is a simple thing - the more generations you go back, the more ancestors you have - the formula is 2^n. So if you go back 10 generations, you have roughly 1,024 ancestors.
Now imagine how many descendants these people have? I have met plenty of others nerds who are also doing genealogy, cousins by 7the grade and so on. There is always some dude doing this stuff, so I am pretty sure there will be one in the future.
Of course I can only go back about 300-350 years, but we people today are leaving way more traces on this planet than my ancestors in the 17th century.
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the formula is 2^n
This breaks down eventually. Eventually, incest.
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That's why I said roughly. The genealogical concept behind this is Ahnenschwund or pedigree collapse.
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I have a geneology book dating back 20 generations. Its all in tradition chinese and kinda blurry and I kinda never learned most of the charcters besides the basics. But I skimmed it and aparantly it dates back to 1200s. A lot of mention about emperors and stuff. Unfortunately I can't share it with y'all since that's kinda doxxing and I posted too much political stuff on Lemmy.
It's only the male ancestors, patriarchy and all, ya know.
Honestly, besides the snippets if history, I don't know what the point of the whole name lists is. Can't even find the aunts on there, what good is that for.
Like... there's not even a portrait (like a hand drawn one), just a bunch of names. What, am I gonna use that inherit some long lost magical kingdom that's gonna appear out of nowhere? Am I the Dragonborn? No lolz. I can't understand "tradition"
I guess its cool for declorations, make the house look ancient and mysterious?
The original is alresdy falling apart lol (probably not the original original, probably copied at least 5 times already, no way it survived 800 years), then all the genology books in the village kinda got consolidated into one big one containing all households. Everyone in the village has the same last name (I think). Y'all get to have sex in highschool, back in the days, people didn't get to choose, my parents kinda just got introduced to each other and they wete pressured to marry. Its technically consensual, but if they reject, they are just gonna introduce you to someone else. Kinda reminds me of the beginning of House of Dragon (except the part about being royalty of course, we are all just ordinary people). And my parents yell at each other a lot, kinda a fragile marriage... 🤷♂️
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That is pretty impressive!
So let me explain what my motivation is... I am not so much interested in origin. I don't feel any connection to the ancestors I do not know, which starts with my great grandparents. I don't even know my grant parents, however, there is a bound through my parents, who were brought up by them. So their character, how they see their world etc. is influenced by my grand parents.
Now, this is limited to my grand parents, we are speaking of a period of roughly 100 years. What about the ancestors before that time? My family tree is mostly made out of dates like you said, baptisms, marriages, deaths. A huge list of more or less random people that have nothing to do with me.
However, I am using these people to tap into the historical contexts they were born in.My family is entirely made out of day laborers in Germany. There are a few masons, but most of them day laborers, the lowest class you can imagine. Usually, when you study history, you are looking through a certain perspective. In Germany this will most likely be counts and dukes, aristocracy, wars, territories etc. - but not so much about the poor people. My genealogical research is basically opening a new window for me, to view history from another perspective. I collected an extensive collection of literature about the weirdest little villages and stories you would never even have heard of, if you'd just follow the "traditional" way like history is taught in schools.
I hope this explains it a bit!
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History from this period will feast or famine. If the Internet Archive is preserved long term, then your words on the Internet will be there. If not, then bitrot will happen within decades.
The feast result will be an interesting one for historians. We don't usually have historical records about common people of any era more than a century or two back. "History is written by the victors" isn't quite right. History is written by writers, and for most of history, those would be educated upper class people.
Historians love finding Roman graffiti, even when it's about some guy's giant cock. So yes, they'll be interested in your memes, too.
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If someone is immortal they would.
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Relative to a normal life, nobody knows me now... and with where and how I live that likely won't change.
So definitely not, aside from the unlikely event I could get my head preserved (likely questionable testing). Then again I know in all likelihood that wouldn't work, so I'm not sure getting a mention in some niche Wikipedia article would be the same as being remembered.
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Remember in what capacity? I don't think any of our (users in this thread) names will be a part of conversation or on anyone's mind in any meaningful capacity. I do believe that digital storage is getting better and that our names and information about us will still probably exist somewhere in 600 years. So maybe somewhere someone might see your name. But that's very different than "remembering", you know?
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We will live on in future LLMs, and possibly in the minds of AGI if that ever gets developed.
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I was tangentially talking about this recently. Our effects live on even after we die. It seems prideful to worry about your name being associated with them. This wasn't in the context of LLMs though.
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People might be if you eat the Mona Lisa.
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No, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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My name is on some US patents. Out of anything, I expect those to have the best odds of surviving for 600 years. Of course no one will look them up in 600 years unless they have really niche interests.
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We'll be all just data left. Unless someone really bored finds something amusing about certain data entry about somebody, no not really.
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No, and I'm thankful for that
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You never know, look at Ea Nasir.
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Copper is so reusable, any of you could be currently affected by the poor quality
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The people of nepal, probably. Remembered as a collective
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There was a pic of my great-great-grandparents on the wall. No idea what their name was.
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Nope
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Me personally? Absolutely not and that's great. Someone who is alive now? Probably yes. We know about Socrates and Caesar and Leif Erickson and Ghengis Khan and Cleopatra.
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Someone will be remembered. It's very unlikely to be me, unless human lifespans get a lot longer, which TBF they probably will.
Gorbachev will probably still be famous at some point after 3025, let alone 2625, although he might be forgotten and then popularised in between.
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I think some of the tech geniuses of our time will be remembered since it was the birth of the internet.
I mean, we remember Da Vinci, Columbus, and Martin Luther. That was 600 years ago.
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What will anyone remember any of us in a 1 million years?
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Remember isnt the word for it but they will probably have some vague allusion to the depravity and unbridled hubirus of the flesh times.
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Considering how small my online presence is, nope. I'll be remember until the last of my family kick the bucket.
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According to The Vandals, no. It's a fact.
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i sure fuckin hope not i don't even wanna remember me most days now
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Maybe.
I mean, if the internet is preserved, someone might eventually dig through these comments right now.
Due to mass surveillance and big data, people 600 years from now are more likely for find remnants of you, than you are to find remnants of someone from 600 years ago.
*Assuming humans and the technology survive, that is
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Gods no. Who would want to know about me in the future?
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not if you don't make art
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I read books from people that died centuries or even millennia ago (ok in their case, their writings are not technically speaking books, but you get the idea). So, a few of us could be remembered as well.
Alas, there is a difference in our days and age: all our creations, text, images and sound, are digital. There is hardly any hardcopy anymore. And I doubt much if any of most of our 'dematerialized' content and even worse our cloud stored/streamed content will survive long after the last person stops paying the monthly fee. And even for those that don't are not cloud -stored, I doubt much will survive more than a few years after we have passed. Digital doesn't decay well.
For those future human beings, if there are any left to study our times,, we could as well be known as the 'voiceless trash age', without much artifacts left beside a planet filled with waste and plastic craps. Oh, and piles and piles of dead smartphones, too.
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Paper didn't survive much either. All we have of old documents are copies of copies of copies of copies, really. Even the most important documents- from those making up the Holy Bible to the Magna Carta - we just don't have.
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The vast, vast majority of people are forgotten within 100 years. Pretty much need to be in an extremely high position where records are kept, like presidents, or do something extraordinarily positive or negative.
I strongly doubt anyone reading this post will be remembered after the people they met or interacted with directly have died.
Or be a really shitty copper merchant
Yeah, weird random chance makes a huge difference. Otzi was probably well known, but only hyper-regionally. Lucy was basically just an unusually smart animal, and that was millions of years ago.
And just because you're forgotten for a bit doesn't mean you won't come back into style.
Hmm. So if you want 15 minutes of fame a long time from now, what's some weird easter egg you can leave?
I actually have a geneology book （族谱） from my paternal lineage (everybody does this in China). Its just a bunch of names, and some history of the village summarized. I hate tradition and I'm already in the US right now, I dont give a shit about the stupid geneology book anymore, my ancesters will probably be so pisses to find out that I totally ignored all the hard efforts lol. (My village still has a copy, but I'm not adding more name to the stupid thing, a waste of time, its also misogynistic AF, if there's a daugher, then the lineage doesn't record their decendents. So dumb, as I guy, I hate this patriarchal bullshit)
Some aspects of that tradition are commendable, though. It would be neat to see this updated in a less male-centric fashion.
I think the opposite with happen with the same results. Everyone's DNA will be on the books. It'll be revealed that we're all related somehow. You'll be able to orient the database any way that you want to see how you're related.
I'm still alive and I'm already forgotten. 👌
With the U.S. only being 250 years old, I can't say anyone would remember presidents in 600 years. If the U.S. is gone there will likely be mention of 1 president that was in power when whatever came and took/changed it. During the planetary destruction revolution there was a plethora of wasteful greed. They called it an industrial revolution that ran rampant with greed and wastefulness.
History preserved the names of heads of state from countries that had a much shorter existence or impact. 600 years might seem a long time to Americans but it's not that long for historical memory.
We record these kinds of things in archives as they go along. Hell, we have records of Egyptian and Roman leadership going back centuries.
That's quite sad tbh, we're all just tiny specks on the timeline of humans
Perhaps but what is the value of human life? Being remembered of living and enjoying life? You won't be around to care that no one remembers you, but you are here to enjoy life right now. So why be bothered by what people in 600 years are up to.
It’s your’s to make of it what you will. It doesn’t have to be sad. It’s pretty incredible any of us are here in the first place with how many conditions had to be present for life to even be on earth. And then we evolved from single cell organisms into these complex beings that we are today. It’s pretty fucking nuts and fascinating.
I am 100% in favor of being forgotten, because trying to stand out in the sea of billions of people is a ridiculous expectation.
While that's true, we have much more extensive record keeping these days. I've been researching my family tree, and 100 years ago there were still a decent number of people who were mostly illiterate. Add to that documents like the census being handwritten in cursive on paper, and you get lots of errors being recorded, and the records themselves being damaged by age.
Unless something drastic happens, a lot of our records will still exist in the centuries to come. It will mostly be our official records, but they should still be there :)
Is a name in a list really being remembered though?