Heartbroken to learn the Pope sympathizes with the poor 💔

Delusional

Imagine pretending to be catholic, and then complaining about the Pope. Isn't he Big King Shit of catholicism? Aren't you supposed to alter your moral beliefs to be in line with his?

They're straight up complaining that Jesus is woke.
in another age they would be put to the Auto-da-fé.
I really am not down with the church persecuting people, but if they could just shut their own up and teach them their own fucking bible that'd be welcome

You gotta be cataclysmically fucking stupid to think poor people are poor on purpose.

Largely it's on purpose. Not on their own, of course.
- if the poor didn't want to be poor, why didn't they pull themselves up by their bootstraps and become trillionaires?
- Yea.... I think I don't get the joke. The poor are absolutely not there by chance, they are poor because the rich steal almost all the value they create through their labor, as well as a vast differential in access and opportunity between the rich and poor, (also a creation of the rich). Is this not an anti-capitalist meme?
- Every now and then, the poor figure that out, and rebalance the scales. We need to do that now.
"The poor get all the breaks." - Mr. Burns

There is no hate like christian love.

I got banned for a week on Facebook for saying that in response to an image about xtians being asshats.
- Facebook don't much cotton to the truth.
You forgot to use scare quotes -- i.e., "Christian"
- No I didn't

Y know, I would have a little more respect for Christians if they didn't pick only the parts of their faith that let them hate minorities. Especially since the bible directly says to 'treat foreigners as your own' (as a no human is illegal supporter I agree with this sentiment)

Rich people go to Hell. You don't get to go to Heaven if you're a billionaire. Sorry. But if you hoard enough wealth to live a thousand lifetimes, then you have received your reward.

So many Christians just can't accept that Jesus was a poor person that believed rich people all go to Hell.

A poor, brown, Jew.
He'd be called a cultural-Marxist-self-hating-<insertJewishSlurHere> and deported to South Sudan by ICE, after getting beaten relentlessly at some internment camp.
If only Hell existed and if only it all wasn't a ruse to placate people in to accepting their poor lot in life so the rich can continue to not be eaten by the poor.
- Sometimes I have a bad premonition that all of the cosmos is a giant hell for the old ones to relentlessly and perpetually torture, kill, and reincarnate the souls whose emotional and physical suffering are what sustain said elder extra-dimensional deities.
  No lives matter, and that's a fact.
  Cthulhu
- It's a state of mind, according to Jesus (Luke 17:21).
- the thing that gets me is that you can literally be hitler, and if you repent on your deathbed, you go to heaven. Cunt killed millions, and he can get to heaven simply by repenting? Fuck off.
- Thank you r/atheism.
Imagine believing this, and still believing heaven and hell is real.
To be honest, it's kind of surprising that the prosperity gospel only took off fairly recently. "Get rich and feel good about it" is an easy sell.
- There's a fantastic book called "Dominion: the creation of the western mind" that takes an academic, secular and factual approach to the early Church, as you might imagine, specifically in relation to our worldview here.
  According to them, it took so long because of just how genuinely anti-wealth the bible is. It literally took centuries of work to push it round to the "gospel according business owners" we have today.
  Ironically, a fair few of the reformations throughout the centuries were due to the wealth accumulated by the church and the outrage that could be drummed up by wild holy men, who would appear infinitely more saintly than a gold-clad bishop, all the way up to large parts of early protestant outrage.
- It... Didn't? That's effectively the protestant work ethic is all about. Being successful on earth is supposedly a sign that you are in god's good graces.
  Prosperity gospel just took that to 11
If you're talking about fElon and Bozos, they could live WAY more than a thousand lifetimes and still have change left over. You don't get to billionaire status by being a good person. They're going to hell if such a place exists (it doesn't)
I always wondered why Bill Gates pledged to give away all his money before the end of his life, this must be it.
- Cheap PR while he's alive. Whenever he does a shitty thing, his supporters can just point to that promise. Meanwhile, while he's alive, he's kept the covid vaccine he was involved with privately owned, running directly counter to the precedent set by Jonas Salk with the polio vaccine.
- Loophole! Can also use this on poor people you hate - give them a million dollars on their deathbed so they'll go to Hell!
So many Christians just can’t accept that Jesus was a poor person that believed rich people all go to Hell.
jesus was never actually anticapitalist.
most of his closest followers were in fact successful businessmen and/or rich.
he convinced all those business men to give him their money.
The rich guy who stalked off? he saw him for what he was: a scam artist.
- To claim that Jesus was either capitalist or anticapitalist is anachronistic to the point of absurdity.
  Capitalism isn't just "free markets", it's a set of institutions and norms that really only make sense in a modern setting, with centralised states, and very specific forms of absolute property rights and contractual obligations.
  Jesus, however, claimed rich people could not enter heaven. Rich people can exist outside capitalism.

I'm pretty sure if Jesus was around now he'd abandon his position as the savior of these cunts and go build houses for the homeless.

It's so hard to know what Jesus would do, for a book about someone there is very little that is even first hand account.
- There is literally no evidence at all that a person named Jesus existed at that time.
He was a carpenter...
- Well, he was trained as one, towards the last bit he was only nailing Mary (the other one, not his mom)
Fuck, was Jimmy Carter actually Jesus?

its unreal how uncatholic most Catholics are.

It's unreal how ~~uncatholic~~ ~~unchristian~~ irreligious most ~~catholics~~ ~~christians~~ religious people are.
- It's unreal how ~~uncatholic~~ ~~unchristian~~ unreligeous most ~~catholics~~ ~~christians~~ religeous are.
- No true Christian, amirite guys?
- I don't know. As far as I can tell there's no central doctrine all or at least most Christians agree besides the existence of god, Jesus and the importance of the Bible. To me both tweet could be christian.
I find the evangelical Christians to be far worse (at least in the US). If you can imagine that

Somebody didn't pay attention in catholic school

Was probably too busy being diddled.....

Lol, that response is exactly why I left Catholicism. The worst hypocrites in the world are Catholics. I refuse to participate or donate to an organization that doesn't condemn hate. I love this for Catholicism though, kill that evil organization.

Let me introduce a new gang in town: Evangelicals. A pure breed of hypocrisy, racism and cruel capitalism. The original followers of supply-side jesus
Why stop at Catholicism. Leave it all behind, it's liberating.
- Oh for sure. I just have a special connection to Catholicism that makes me hate it above the rest.
One of the most Christian things one can do now a days is to leave the Church behind.
Not just Catholicism, ALL religions, no exceptions.

Of course he sympathises with the rich, especially the abrahamic religions are based on fake authority given by a magic man in the sky, to gain power, money and attraction.

These fascists sure are crazy huh

At least the Pope is a good person in this era of history, I guess that's something.

The biggest upset yet in my eyes. The Catholic Church looks on track to be one of the good guys at the end. Wild shit.
- Yeah, this time around they don't need to collaborate with fascists to maintain political independence.
- Remember the hitlerjugend pope? Def better now even if it's the old crusty religion behind it all.
I mean, we've had to shift the definition of "good" to "doesn't openly display a swastika somewhere on their property" but sure.

Don't worry, the evangelicals will give you the hate you want.

I was so hopeful I could be a Catholic again

It's so fucking funny, because there are plenty of American Catholic Churches packed wall-to-wall with haters, losers, and chuds. There are plenty of reactionary priests. FFS, there's an entire sect - Opus Dei - for them to congregate and self-flagellate and sexually assault their kids.

The idea that you can't be Catholic because the Pope doesn't share your politics... Brother! Martin Luther died a Catholic!

Just the idea of selecting your faith is weird to me. I can understand a person who has a firm conviction that X religion and it's dogma are divine truth and feeling compelled to follow it. Even if it's not for me, I can understand that.
I don't understand someone who's like "I don't actually believe in any of this, but I want to be in the cool kids club. I just can't unless you fix some of these things that Jesus said". Who tf is giving Jesus notes?
It just seems to me that Catholic isn't a thing you aspire to be, or a thing you turn on and off like a lamp. You either believe Catholicism is the dogma of God himself, or you should have no interest in being a part of it.
- It just seems to me that Catholic isn’t a thing you aspire to be, or a thing you turn on and off like a lamp
  This person is Conservative first and Catholic as a cultural touchstone. Like, they enjoy the ambience of the church, but they don't really care for the morality of scripture or the politics of any priest outside their ideological nook.
  The joke's been made a thousand times, but this is how you get Protestants.
Dude already chose a different religion long ago and its name is capitalism.

Fucking cult lunatics. Just remember that the Pope is till playing hide the pedo priest. Maybe that will restore their “faith”

I'm fully on board with people having an existential crisis between their religion and their political beliefs.

There's no existential crisis, they just claim their religion isn't following the religion correctly
They've been so well conditioned to ignore cognitive dissonance, that they'll just bury it.

It's funny how religious people don't understand the religion they are worshiping. Or even their very prophet or in this case the chief messenger which is how I like to call the pope.

Belief and religion is whatever you want it to be because it is man made and maintained by man.
Modern Christianity, especially modern American Nationalist Christianity is based on the belief that you can literally do whatever you want in life, even the most despicable, immoral, selfish and disgusting things .... and their modern belief is based on the idea that if God doesn't like what you are doing, they you will be severely punished for your behaviour, in this life before you go too far ... or in the next life after you die. However, if you do those terrible, disgusting things and nothing terrible happens to you and you continue to lead a good, happy, healthy life ... then it is a sign that God has allowed you to continue and that you are part of a grander plan where you should be allowed to continue doing the terrible things you are doing in order to fulfill some sort of prophecy or master plan.
If you hoard wealth, destroy the poor, ignore moral values and continue down a path where you just literally want to destroy everything and everyone for your own greed and you get away with it all ... then God is complicit and wants you to get away with it ... he allowed it all, which makes it sacrosanct ... it is God's will.
- Sounds more Old Testament than New, where God's chosen people get their own set of rules and women seem to be punished disproportionately. Jesus is fairly clear about what happens when your hoard wealth.
  The moral basis of Christianity can seem a bit shaky at times though. You must believe Christ is the only path to salvation and live a good life but everyone is born with sin and forgiveness can be granted through genuine repentence. That sounds a lot like you can live a bad life and if you're repentent in the end, despite the harm you've done, all good in the neighbourhood.
In the case of Catholicism in particular, this is a feature and not a bug. Catholics famously and proudly don't read the bible, but rather have its presumptive contents preached at them — with various degrees of translation, omission, or addition to suit the current whims of the Church — by their deacon.
A significant portion of what people assume to be modern Christian belief among multiple sects and denominations is not supported scripturally, to put it mildly. But the Catholics manage to institutionalize that phenomenon to a degree that makes all the others look like a monthly book club.
- The catholic church was very much against distribution of the Bible in English (rather, not in Latin) because then people might read it themselves rather than having it delivered to them and interpreted by the clergy.
  Turns out they had nothing to worry about.

Some people stay catholic because they like how the church covers for pedos.

Fuck em both. The pope wields immense wealth and power, get to fixing things, anything - Housing, food, education, healthcare, environment - pick a topic and go.

I honestly don’t think the pope has that kind of power. I’m pretty sure it’s a facade. Think of all the times their actions have been so minimal in any direction while their words swing one way or the other.
- he's the head of the a religion so powerful that it is it's own nation state, with 1.4 billion followers. They have 78 billion-ish that we know if, in net worth.
  he calls practically any other head of state, they pick up the phone. They may not do what he asks, but they still pick up the phone.
  an organization so powerful that they shaped the colonization and conquest of the New World to include missions, with the goal and aim of genocide natives; or forcing them to convert.
  The pope ain't powerless, and he's almost certainly the most powerful religious leader in the world.

Christianity in a nutshell.

Religion is cancer.

Would that be testicular cancer?

Id like to think that Jesus would fist fight these people.

He whipped up on people for less.

He's right, it's not like the Bible says anything about how to treat the poor! Oh... wait...

https://www.openbible.info/topics/poor

Looks like a Mammonite cosplaying as a Catholic to me.

What a fucking wowzer

When you really wanted another venal Borgia Pope and got a happy clappy Bible reader instead.

Really? You can choose to be born to rich parents and not to an uneducated, too-young woman in a poor country and the guy ditches her? If only the billions of poor people knew this.

No, see, you don’t get it. God decided that I am worthy of living as a white male catholic in a country that hates women and minorities because I’m just a good person. Being poor or brown or female means you have some sort of moral failing. It’s truly justified that children die of starvation because God decided that they deserve it for being inherently evil. My white hands are tied.
- I find it darkly humorous that your hypothetical indicates that you are someone before you are born, that pre-life someone also had a color, and on top of all that, the pre-life existence was just as shitty and full of prejudice by god who marked brown people as less worthy.

You have to have a heart to begin with before it can be broken.

Like WTF, dude.

TBF, 100% of the Federalist Society Catholics occupying SCOTUS are this sort of Catholic. (Justice Sonia Sotomayer is Catholic but a Francis 2.0 kind of Catholic.)

“One star would not pope again”

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He's a right-wing scumbag like all other popes.
They sympathise only in words.
No different than politicians

I can't believe that i am defending the popes of all people, but your statement is just factually wrong. There have been several bigger and smaller initiatives that use action instead of words, some of them led by the popes themselves. In 2017, for example, pope Francis held the first ."World day of the poor" under the Motto:
"Let us love not in word but in deed."
You can read an (not up to date) article about the issue here.
- LOL sweet summer child.
  Another one simply tricked by words.
  Same as politicians, these scum always do some PR action for the plebs to justify their existence.
  This reactionary POS, like all the others, was preeching against abortion and contraceptives.
  A reason millions of gullible christians following his orders have kids growing up in poverty.
  No mediatised free luch with the pope is going to help that.
  Maybe you're in the wrong place here.