There's simply no going back

The game was called "Tetris" btw

I can go down to 30 probably a bit lower as long as it is consistant, that is the most important part.

It can also have a bit to do with me powering through Watch Dogs at 1 fram per second in some parts. You never notice how good 25-30 is until your frames starts camping in the singel digits.

It pretty much only makes a difference in FPS games where you’re constantly switching back and forth between crosshairs focus and peripheral vision flick reactions. At 144Hz, motion blur between frames is largely eliminated, so you have more accurate flicks and your vision at the crosshairs is much sharper.

I can mostly notice the difference in first person shooters. In most other things, 60 is plenty.

My brother or sister in pixels, this is not the same. I’m not a graphics snob. I still play pixelated, barely discernible nonsense games. When I updated from 30 to 144, it was a whole new world. Now even 60 can feel sluggish. This is not a graphical fidelity argument. It’s input and response time and motion perception. Open your mind, man. Accept the frames.

bleeding edge FPS

Do you think 60 FPS just got released or something

One of most insufferable aspects of video game culture (pc gaming in particular) other than the relentless toxic masculinity from insecure nerds is an obsessive focus on having powerful hardware and shitting on people who think they are getting a good experience when they don’t have good hardware.

The point is to own a computer that other people don’t have so you can play a game and get an experience other people don’t have, the point isn’t to celebrate a diversity of gaming experiences and value accessibility for those without the money for a nice computer. It really doesn’t matter if these people are intending to do this consciously or not, this is a story as old as time. It is the same exact bullshit as guitar people who only think special exotic or vintage guitars are beautiful, claim to absolutely love guitar but never once in their life have stopped to think about how much more beautiful it is that any random chump can get an objectively wonderful sounding guitar for a couple of hundred dollars than it is that they own some stupid special edition guitar with a magic paint job that cost as much as my shitty car.

Good thing these people don’t fully dictate the flow of all of video game development, but they will never ever learn because this is the kind of pattern that arises not from conscious intention but rather from people uninterested in critically examining their own motivations.

It is the same damn nauseating thing with photography too….

I'd rather not get motion sickness thanks.

it depends on if its a good 30 or not. if inputs are quick and responsive, and the framerate stays at 30 then its fine. but if my device is struggling to run the game and its stuttering and unresponsive then its awful

sm64 comes to mind as the best 30fps experience ive had, and i am spoiled rotten on high refresh rate games

I think it takes significantly more mental extrapolation between frames and general adjustment to your eyes not receiving frames at as quick of a rate but if the frame rate is fairly stable the human brain adapts.

The brains visual processing is so powerful that the difference between 30fps and 144fps on paper is much smaller in reality, especially if your brain has already learned the muscle memory of “upscaling” a low framerate to work with its perception of a 3D environment.

Competitively, for games like arena shooters or rocket league the frame rate is real but for most games it is a matter of the smoothness occurring on the physical monitor screen or it occurring on some level of mental image processing. What someone sees who has let the mental skill of processing a lower frame rate atrophy is a temporary sensation like putting on colored glasses for awhile, then taking them off and seeing everything washed out in a particular color. Weird, uncomfortable, but temporary.

The real problem is inconsistent framerate where the clock your brain has gotten used to receiving new visual information with the arrival of each new frame of visual information is slow enough to be on the edge of perception but keeps speeding up or slowing down chaotically. Your brain can’t just train a static layer of mental image processing to smoothen that out. Time almost feels like it is slowing up and speeding down a little, and it becomes emotionally discouraging that every time something fun happens the framerate dips and reality becomes choppier.

For me frame time inconsistency is the most noticeable. FPS, as long as it's consistent 40 and above is fine.

I will notice the difference in fluidity of motion but a large frame time difference destroys the experience.

It seems to be dependent on the game for me. Some just seem like they should move smoother (like Akham Asylum on PC)

Yeah no, a game I regularly play just had 120Hz support added, and I'm never changing that back. I once even tried editing the .ini config just to change the framerate after coming back to it from a 120Hz game. It just is night and day, both in the input lag and the smoothness of the image

We are opposite people (and that's fine).

1440p, stable 144. The dream

For me it depends on the game. A menu game from Paradox like Crusader Kings? 4k 60fps. A competitive shooter? Ideally the max resolution (for greater pinpoint accuracy) and 144fps, but between the two I’d want maximum fps for the reaction speed and responsiveness. A pretty game like Ori and the Will of the Wisps? Crank the graphics up and I’m happy with 60fps.

They both make a difference. 1080p is console TV gaming minimum resolution. A good PC can do much better. I like my ultra-widescreen 144Hz monitor more than a plain boring 16x9 high-res monitor.

But even games at 3440x1440 @ 144Hz don't look as good as full-on VR at 120Hz and up. VR gaming for much time will make gaming on a monitor feel obsolete.

I've been there lmao

Lately tho I've been using fabric mods and damn is it optimized

Like it's frustrating cause forge has a much much larger mod selection But it just so slowww

Cries in nintendo

Baldurs gate 3 split screen is 30fps

Hello Doom 1/2 and its 35 FPS by default!

Even most console games run at 60 now, with an option to turn on some RT graphical wankery and run at 30.

I often turn it on to see what it looks like, and then decide it's not worth it. Ratchet and Clank actually played decently at 30, and one of the Ghostwire Tokyo options allowed you to have RT and decent framerates with a minor hit to resolution.

Gsync/Freesync/VRR is a game changer for lower end hardware, because then all those dips below 60 get smoothed out to an even 45 or so. I've spent a lot less time fucking about with setting on PC since getting a monitor that supports that.

Bro a N64 plays most games at 60fps

Screen tearing is the real enemy

CRTs can easily push >120 fps. That's why the super sweaty CS esports players still used them well after the first LCD panels came out.

same, gameplay matters more :)

I still don’t get the obsession over 144hz. I saw a big jump from 30 to 60 and I also see the jump from 60 to 144, but I’m happy with 60. 30 genuinely feels off to me though, but even then I can get used to it in like 10mins.

Actually a study proved that our eyes can't see any faster than 1

Nope. Nobody is lying, you're just wrong :)

Our eyes and brains don't perceive still images or movement in the same way as a computer. There is no simple analogy between our perception and computer graphics.

I've read that some things can be perceived at 1000 fps. IIRC, it was a single white frame shown for 1ms between black frames. Of course most things you won't be able to perceive at that speed, but it certainly isn't as simple as 30 fps!

No. This is something console fanboys used to spread up when pc gamets showed off with their +30fps games

No, your brain just blurs an overwhelming amount of visual information into images as it sees fit. It doesn't have a framerate limit.

That's what I've heard. but also, the frequency of electricity in the USA is 60 Hz because Tesla found after experimentation that that's the frequency where you don't notice a lightbulb flickering anymore. Since the lightbulb flickers 120 times per second at 60 Hz, you could assume that a lower framerate than 120 fps is noticable.

Technically yes, but the more fluid the video is 8n the first place, the fewer gaps your brain has to fill in. On 30 fps you can see the moving image just fine, but your brain is always assembling the pieces and ignoring the gaps. The higher framerates reduce the number of gaps and makes a surprising difference in how smooth something looks in motion.

Also most monitors only go up to 60fps, and even if you have a fancy monitor that does, your OS probably doesn't bother to go higher than 60 anyways. Even if the game itself says the fps is higher, it just doesn't know that your pc/monitor isnt actually bothering to render all the frames...