1y ago

No water for like 3 days to get that look

https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2487503/the-witcher-henry-cavill-had-a-miserable-dehydration-diet-to-look-ripped-shirtless

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This is not a zero sum game. there's no competition. We can deal with both problems, we don't have to pick a side.
- Well yes, and the starting point is by dismissing the myth that the double standards are not applied to everyone. They are applied differently, but it is not something that only affects one group of people.
  
  Is that really a myth? Because it feels like the only time this point is brought up is to "dispel the myth", not the myth itself which I frankly can't recall having ever heard.
  My theory is that it's actually a mix of angry dudes feeling excluded because they weren't explicitly included by women talking about their own struggles, and of the fact that men just generally don't talk about their struggles. So the coverage feels disproportional and the only time the subject gets brought up it's because some angry misogynist managed to weave it into an "us vs them" discourse.
  Men's mental health is a huge conversation to have but it's extremely disheartening that in the mainstream conversation it always pops up through misogyny.
  So in the spirit of actually doing something about men's mental health, here's some actual discourse on the subject

I'm convinced the current influencer body standard for women (huge asses, giant lips, etc) was some joke by plastic surgeons and they just rolled with it
- Apparently anyone can become a plastic surgeon because I'd never get any sleep if I made people look like that.
  
  give me a syringe and a bike pump

Dude I like seeing sexy people on tv. If I want to look at something mediocre I can just look in a mirror.
- You look mediocre? Lucky.
- dad bod is still sexy, lots of people find that actively sexier
  
  Maybe for relationships but I'd be mad if Superman came out with bellyfat because that ruins the whole "Super" man idea. He'd just be Man...
  
  LoL. There's a fish out there for ya if your line is strong enough.

They are all on T.
- sTeroids?
  
  Tren, but yes.
- and Amphetamines
  yea bro we could actually get everything we would all look like that and all die at 50
  
  idk I tried amphetamines and let's just say I haven't necessarily improved.
- Or peptides. Peptide experimentation is rampant. Will probably lead to some weird cancers in 5-10 years
- BA Barracus approves
- Im gonna ask you. What exactly is the problem with that?
  I can walk into a plastic surgeon and talk about how I dont like my eyes/ears/nose/lips/etc and they will take a fucking scalpel and cut me up. I can get hair implants, butt implants, pec implants. I could eat until I have to waddle into a doctors office to be offered a veritable menu of weight loss drugs and invasive surgeries. If I were a woman and pound weight loss drugs, engage in extreme dieting and get some "work done" the general attitude will be "Yass Queen, live your best life!" and not to be transphobic (Its not coming from that place, think what you want) but I could even wholeheartedly believe that my entire gender is wrong and recieve surgeries, hormones and therapies to change that.
  But because I'm a grown man in good shape who works out 6 days a week, despite their being an extensive list of drugs and compounds that can relatively safely* give me the body I'd love to have I'm not allowed to have them because they are "performance enhancing" like that isnt the whole reason I want them. I am told, that even with strict medical supervision, bloodwork and other support I'm straight up not allowed. People act like the recipe isnt "Steroids... and a FUCKLOAD OF WORK"
  
  Im gonna ask you. What exactly is the problem with that?
  One example of a problem is the fact that the majority of them do not openly talk about it. In fact it's the opposite, they deny taking PEDs and claim it's all hard work and that anybody can achieve it.
  A more specific example is Chris Hemsworth who sells training programs that claim to give you his physique. Don't you see the problem with this?
  I do agree with you that it if people want to use it they should, under medical supervision and with full understanding of the risks and commitment they bring. My limited understanding of using exogenous hormones is that your body will lose the ability to properly make them and one is bound to taking them for life.
  
  I’m fine with steroid usage but want people to be honest about it.
  
  I don't think it's great that boys are comparing themselves to these guys, buy I agree that you should be allowed to do whatever you want to your body.
  
  The meme sort of explains why.

Me, spending 6 months fighting with (and losing to) body dysmorphia but not knowing what it was, since I'm a man and no one told me:

Has anyone ever said the first statement up there in the top-left? I wouldn't doubt there's some fringe group that would, but I also think they would be in the vast minority and you'd need to specifically go looking to find it. I dislike this kind of meme for that reason, it's sowing a divide that doesn't need to exist.
- I have heard it regularly for a few decades now in person and media. When the dad bod picked up in popularity it was used as an example of how "men don't have to follow beauty standards" while ignoring all of the other expectations.
  
  Last time I heard the term "dad bod", it was an article about how when they polled women for an example of one, the top answer was "Chris Hemsworth"

Yeah, it's the water. That's the problem
- Only part of it, but it’s kinda crazy that studios can go “hey, you need to literally dehydrate yourself for this shot so your veins and muscles can pop out more easily.”
  But this is also the industry where Stanley Kubrick practically abused his actors and is a celebrated director, so…
  
  To be fair you can make amazing movies and be a shit person
  
  Actors careers really seem to be at the whim of industry insiders. Harvey Weinstein was able to get away with his shit for decades.
  
  In some cases it doesn't even make sense.
  Why is Witcher so cut and lean? He hunts monsters. He's not going to maintain a diet while doing that. Dude should look like Vasily Alexeev or Dean Lukin.
- It’s a lot of things. It’s a diet so strict and regimented it controls your life, same for exercise, and then they dehydrate for days. Is the water why random person on Lemmy doesn’t look like that? No, that’s because nobody looks like that unless it’s their job to look like that or it’s their only hobby or they have serious mental health issues pushing them that way. But it is dangerous for most people to even try because yeah it involves a lot of risky decisions and they don’t even look like that all the time

I've gone longer than 3 days without water and I look nothing like those guys. Wtf?
- Have you tried hiring a personal trainer and using 'supplements'?
- You have to cut out the Mountain Dew as well
- how the hell do you go more than 3 days without water? these dudes have staff to make sure they don't fucking die

None of those guys have a healthy hard-worker or warrior body. They all have a dehydrated, 1% body fat gym bro body, just like Hollywood wants us to believe a healthy man looks like.
- blessed be the thor design from God Of War
- actually none of them look particularly dehydrated. They just look like they're straight from a good pump. Dehydrated would leave them very veiny, like, prominently.
  This is what dehydrated looks like
  
  Except the actors have talked about it.
  I remember Hugh Jackman specifically talked about it in an interview as part of why he wanted to stop being wolverine. He was getting tired of the unhealthy regime of dehydrating to look as clean cut as possible.

Apparently no one is allowed to have body hair.
- What's weird is that hairy chests were considered the sexy style in the 70's and 80's, and then it suddenly changed. I blame Arnold.
  
  Looking at what the young uns are wearing these days (and the resurgence of mullets), I would put money on chest hair coming back within the next decade.
- Cavill almost always has chest hair. The only time I can recall seeing him without chest and stomach hair is in The Tudors.
- Because IT'S ILLEGAL!
  /s

This feels like "I'm 14 and this is deep" content.
It's obvious that all Hollywood, social media and advertising models are not the average person. Are there really people that think men would be exempt from this? I doubt many.

Sorry to link to that place but here: Hugh Jackman on mens' magazines vs womens'.
- did you expect "muscle & fitness" to have hugh jackman with the jumper on, or "good housekeeping" to have him tearing apart chores with claws?
- Do women not buy muscle and fitness and that's why it's a "men's" magazine?

abandon all hope ye who enter this comment section

Robert Pattinson's physique as Batman was criticised by the mainstream (mostly by incels) as not being ripped and is skinny, even though experts say his body in "The Batman" is the most realistic built most men would be able to achieve.

Sure well defined muscles are aesthetically pleasing, but not nessa to be considered hot by most of the people you'll date
- Very true, in my experience lots of women like the idea of strength from big muscles but don't really care to see the striated muscle fibers in a cut look. Hell some are turned off by the vasculature of my hands.
  EDIT: Guys in comic books are ripped for the dudes reading them. I imagine the same is true for movie stars.
- Oh everyone I know would love to date that. They just wouldn't love the time and commitment required to build and maintain that.
  
  Yeah I'm sure many of us would if it was just a pill you took lol
- Nessa? We channelling Jar Jar Binks now? (All in good fun, OP)
  
  Haha meesa see what you mean. An old friend used to say it and I just like the sound of it
- You really think so?
  
  Varies by person but yeah. Look at all the bears and bookish nerds that people fawn over

In case anyone is hoping to achieve the left side of the picture remember every one of the is on PEDs
- Idris Elba lookin skinny compared to the rest of them. Also, I don't think that's actually Ben Shapiro bottom right lmao.

But aquaman is from the water.

You don't have to live up to Hollywood standards, you just have to stop holding everyone else up to Hollywood standards. Just look at day time talk shows, those people have no problem finding a partner, and the only reason they end up on those shows is because they have no sense of shame.

Not seeing the issue here, that's ju5T DAD b0d. /s

Really should be a legal requirement for a normal BMI to appear in media, then they wouldn’t be able load up on steroids
- BMI is not a measure of health. It is a statistical tool.
  
  To further illustrate your point, most of the men pictured are likely 'obese' by BMI standards
  
  Yes, welcome to the conversation
  We aren’t talking about the health of these moviestars on roids, we are talking about the effects they have on viewers’ self image
- But that would also eliminate all obese people from the media. Which is like 30%+ of the population.
  
  That would be a side benefit of an otherwise bad idea.
  
  And the massively underweight that women are supposed to aspire to
  Whichever way you skew it, unrealistic bodies shouldn’t be there

The main difference is, unless you're tragically born with shitty genes, guys can attain those bodies on the left with diet and exercise. Women on the other hand usually have to go to a different country to get discount surgery to look like a video game character so that chuds will pay attention to them.

Same women and men who criticize those unrealistic overdosed body types, would either wet their pants if one of those man proposed to them, or are wishing to achieve those results themselves. you can't resist animalistic urges. you won't believe the amount of gyms I've seen pop up in my city since the arrival of Instagram almost a 3000% increase. and everyone you talk to has become a protein intake expert.

As if the fact that it happens to men means it doesn't matter if it happens to women. "You, too" is now a valid form of argument.
🤦 You all are a bunch of kindergartners, I swear.

I wanna suck these dudes nipples

There's a big difference in body image set by men for women and body image set for men by men
- Every study shows that the vast majority of men are perfectly fine with a very wide range of women's bodies.
  
  Can you link one of them you consider credible? I've never heard of that, tbh.

Hollywood's standards for women are just a normal woman's body. Hollywood's standard for men is the body of a greek god.
- I agree with your second statement. Though your first statement is borderline moronic.
  
  Nothing "borderline" about it. That statement is 100% moronic.
- I'm struggling to think of any famous women who look like they weigh 170 lbs. It's either Margot Robbie or Lizzo, there's not a lot in between

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