Participation trophy monuments lmao
106If the confederate monument was installed in the 19th century, I’ll hear the history argument.
If it was installed as an overtly racist response to civil rights movements in the 20th century, that shit is racist as hell and needs to disappear from public lands.
97Nah. Tear 'em all down. The history can be left to the written word, detailing how they got destroyed. They don't deserve any monument trying to extoll their "glory". Rubble-ize them and put up memorials to the slaves in their place.
69A collage/university in the UK (unfortunately can't remember which one) dealt with a similar problem well. It had statues of the founders out front. Unfortunately, they made their money from the slave trade. There were calls to destroy the statues. They instead, moved them to a small, half forgot garden in the back. As well as their original descriptive plagues, some more were added, explaining how they made their fortunes, and the various moral failings we now see in them.
It seems to me like this struck a good balance. It acknowledged the good they did, while emphasising the bad. Failing to recognise both good and bad can occur in individuals is often how history can repeat itself.
In short, don't destroy them. Instead, stick them at the back of a museum to the horrors of slavery, half forgotten, except for their crimes.
26I vote we melt them down and recast them into statues/memorials for civil right's people. at least the bronze ones.
maybe even southern civil right's people.
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Your monuments don't matter you fucking losers.
- a northerner
*Edit monuments not moments lol
46Couldn't agree more
~a Texan
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The Daughters of the Confederacy can eat shit.
Oh, hell. I'll link to it again. Fuck the South.
35That was a fun read. Haha.
I'd like to see what the properly backed up statistics of the Republic States vs the Democrat States are not days.
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Nothing is worse than a loser Southerner pretending that his "monuments" matter. You lost, fuck off.
30Everything to do with the confederacy, except from teaching about the civil war, should be banned in the US. That flag they love, ban it. Statues, rip them down. Locations named after conspirators, rename them. The civil war was an attempt to destroy the US and divide it in two. They lost, fortunately. All associations to the traitors they were should not be allowed. People who claim “it’s my heritage” heritage of what exactly? That you’re white? Your skin says that. That your family was racist? Not a good quality to be flaunting and something you should probably come to terms with.
6We're not big on banning things in the US. Just keep them off public land.
4I think the better action, over a blatant violation of the 1st amendment, would to push back ourselves instead of trying to get the government to break its own rules.
Anytime someone uses the phrase "War of Northern Aggression", pointedly correct them in saying "(American) Civil War". Anytime they spout "states rights", amend them with "to own humans and demand other countries return the people they want to enslave". Rock the damned boat and use the 1st amendment how it should be. They are not protected from other people having disdain for them for being stupidly proud of atrocities. And you know what, being proud of being descended from racist slave owners is not a protected class. Just saying.
The government shouldn't suppress speech. But we can certainly give them consequences for being assholes.
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Hey Corey, your monuments don’t matter.
26I wish I saved that meme I saw responding to "confederate statues are my heritage" with "destroying the confederacy is MY heritage"
EDIT:
26Sure is weird how these people are obsessed with being traitors and also think they’re patriotic.
23"thE PArtY oF LIncoLn" waves the flag of his enemies
- these fucking idiots.
11It's hilarious to me that redneck conservatives love to wave the flags of the Confederacy and the Nazis - the recipients of the two biggest beatdowns in US military history. Losers in every sense of the word.
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Look up " The Daughters of the Confederacy". The monuments aren't even historic.
19Well the are historic in that they're a part of the history of oppressing black people that continued after the Civil War. But doesn't seem like history someone in the South should want to celebrate.
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Which Southern monuments?
16The loser ones dedicated to the slavery loving losers who fought and LOST against the u.s.
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Is yankee offensive? I am british and have called americans "yanks" for the past 10 years at least... Should i stop or is it ok?
12It's only offensive to people from the southern US, but they're offended by a lot of things so who cares?
13I think you are okay, guvna.
9Meh, in Tennessee a local bar has the Confederate battle flag on the wall and I have heard in there several times that all Yankees should be shot, referring to anyone from the north. The issue is that people have moved around so much there are from the north in the south and vise versa. New York and California are the most hated states by many southerners.
5You should keep doing it. It's funny.
5Not offensive, but others may feel differently.
5In Australia the term is ‘Seppo’. Seppo / septic tank / yank.
3It is used in Latin America as well as a serious denonym/gentilic. Though it can be used derisively, I'm assuming it's the same over there.
3I prefer to be called yankee doodle /s
2This sounds dandy.
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Hey, us white people have suffered, too - like, they took away our slaves!
8Imagine you go back to the 1860s and you see a cohort of this capacity start something. No wonder they got their arses kicked.
6I wish I could filter rage bait like this off my dash
4Participation trophies, don’t they hate those?
3Hey Corey, deine Monumente sind bedeutungslos.
2nothing is worse
was worse
i see absolutely no Problem here, move on lads.
(/s for the slow ones)
2While a lot of these organizations that pushed the Lost Cause theory are shit heads. I would like to present the Valentine.
The Valentine traces its roots to Edward Valentine, a member of an aristocratic family in antebellum Richmond. Valentine spent the war studying art in Europe, and was depicting Confederates before the final shots were even fired. He was “helping to define the visual imagery of the Lost Cause,” Vida told me, by fashioning generals as godlike. Rather than historical renderings, the imagery of Richmond’s Confederates could be better likened to propaganda. Valentine sculpted Davis, and the statue, funded by the UDC, debuted in 1907.
The Valentine is fairly based because...
In a brick row house down the street from the White House of the Confederacy, a statue of the former president is spotlighted—lying on its back. After Jefferson Davis was pulled to the ground in 2020, the Valentine, a museum that presents Richmond’s history, was delighted to welcome him home. “A rope was tied around his waist and attached to a sedan,” Christina Vida, the curator of general collections, told me with a grin, “and he was pulled off his pedestal.” Vida has neat brown hair that swished at her shoulders as she circled the fallen Confederate on temporary display in the gallery. She pointed to his broken arm, flattened face, and coat of Pepto-Bismol pink paint. She said that of all Confederates doused in 2020, this remarkable pink was found only on Davis. She quite liked it.
There’s a lacquer on Davis’s wounds—a smashed nose, a chipped thumb—to preserve the damage. Tufts of a tissue noose still stick to his neck. When I asked Vida what she thought about the fact that he returned like this, she told me she’s thrilled. In this condition, he doesn’t need placards contextualizing the Lost Cause: He’s a new monument altogether. Atop a pedestal, Davis’s outstretched arm once commanded authority. From the ground, he’s reaching for a helping hand that no one seems to be offering.
Source: The New Republic, Yes, They’re Pro-Confederacy. But They’re Just the Nicest Ladies.
2The Holocaust was probably worse.
-6The sad part here is that you're probably wrong.
As horrible as the Holocaust was, from a numbers standpoint alone, the transatlantic slave trade accounted for more people stolen from their homes.
Now, that's the entirety of the transatlantic slave trade. A couple of hundred years of pain and torment. But it also only counts the number of people stolen from home and sold into slavery, not the number of children born into slavery who lived their entire, and often short, lives working backbreaking labor. Well, that's what the men did. The women were raped until they were no longer physically capable of giving birth again.
Contrast the Holocaust, at most you have 10 years of horror, from the passage of the Nuremberg Laws in 1935 until the end of the war in 1945. It was traumatizing for the survivors, but the strong could move on with their lives.
Slaves who were freed at the end of the civil war were often basically re-enslaved via that fun little loophole in the 13th amendment. Corrupt judges in the south had a full racket going. They would assign court fees to and black man arrested by their corrupt police, and then sell said black man to a plantation owner as part of covering the debt.
If you thought the horrors of slavery were bad, the convict leasing and debt peonage schemes were so much worse. Literally working people to death because the plantation owners could simply pick up a new slave at the courthouse for a small fee. A smaller fee in places where the plantation owner was the judge.
Fun fact. The whole debt peonage thing did garner the attention of federal prosecutors, who thought it was fucked up. See, Debt peonage was actually outlawed by Congress in 1867. So one enterprising prosecutor actually took a bunch of assholes to court.
Those assholes argued that since the debt was fictitious, it wasn't peonage, but was actually slavery. And since congress had never actually passed a law against slavery, they wanted their slaves back. This was in 1903.
The worst part is, the courts agreed.
Various fake debt schemes and other overt slavery shit was still going on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beeville\_couple\_arraigned\_on\_charge\_of\_holding\_Negro\_in\_slavery\_on\_farm\_(1942)\_The\_Brownsville\_Herald.jpg. You'll note that 1942 is after the US joined WW2. That's the entire reason for the final crackdown on chattel slavery schemes in the US...
Well, I say that. Sadly, there's more to the story.
36Huh… interesting.
You may have convinced me.
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This original poster was talking about the US.
2I read that as them adding the Holocaust to the pile of worse things
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Ok... thanks for chiming in! Next time try to stay on topic! Not everything is about you, no matter how badly you want it to be.
-4I'm pretty sure he's saying that, like slavery, the holocaust is worse than criticising monuments to confederates.
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It's funny how everyone in this thread has the opinion that they are on the winning or losing side as if anyone alive was actually involved in the war. How anyone can still take these things personally is weird. What I mean is calling a southerner a "loser" is weird from the person giving the insult and the person receiving it (if they actually feel offended, which they shouldn't).
-15I always found it weird when people would make hero’s of Allied soldiers in WW2, even though, if you met them in person, you would find their beliefs horrifying.
3WWII has been vastly over simplified. Especially parts about the allies being bad.
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