A California man was found with 1 million rounds of ammo and 248 illegally owned guns in his house, state authorities say

How do you know he didn't have 2 million rounds and did this with half?

Agreed, motherfucker found the mead of the gods and just didnt drink it.

I find it odd that no one has mentioned the possibility that he could have been a black market dealer. Suppressors, short barreled rifles, and fully automatic machine guns, are all purchasable in the US if you can file the right paperwork and be approved for those purchases by the BATF, under the National Firearms Act (NFA). This approval process includes the ATF having you on speed dial to show up and make sure you still safely possess said items, and aren’t flipping them on the street for a massive mark up.

While an NFA regulated suppressor might run you $1200 after taxes and fees, a suppressor on the streets without the paper trail might go for closer to 3-5k. Actual transferrable machine guns, due to their extreme rarity in the US, command prices from $10,000 to $60,000 dollars through existing legal channels, and again, could be sold at a massive markup without the baggage of a paper trail. Even firearms legal to own without NFA restrictions would command a sizable markup when sold off the books. And this is how gangs have armed themselves for decades, through dealers just like this.

A collector generally only collects guns, not ammo. You don't need a million rounds for guns that are too valuable to actually use.

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when they can’t find what they’re looking for, give them the ol’ classic “lost the guns in a terrible boating accident” line.

Ah yes, lie to the cops.

They will be forced to accept it & move the fuck on.

Or they'll actually investigate and found out that you planned out that scenario, and even talked about it on social media.

Yup. The guns aren’t there for when a cop is knocking on your door. The guns are there for when a cop is raping your wife.

And if people think that latter scenario unrealistic, just look at history. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and the reason we have a government-recognize right to guns is to prevent that absolute power from existing as a state of affairs.

It’s okay if the government has the majority of the power. It’s okay if the government has relative power. The guns are here to prevent the government from having absolute power. That’s the kind of scenario where the women are getting raped by the men in uniform, while the men who arent in uniform either watch helplessly or get tortured to death for trying to intervene.

I’m old enough to remember the start of the ammo shortage, it coincided with massive ammo orders from the TSA of all government organizations. They placed massive orders for ammo, completely wiping everything out at the stores. Then, once it was back ordered for months the demand never went back down, nor did the prices.

I like how Trump is the only president who has floated the idea of straight up banning guns.

At lease he didn’t have any armor. Tanks, Obama.

Black man with that many guns and they didn't fire a shot while arresting him?

Machine guns are illegal unless you have a... Class 3 permit? It's a hassle so nobody does it.

The qty of ammo isn't illegal but really really above normal. The assault rifles are more of a buzzword unless they are burst or full auto, in which case would be illegal.

You can't own a full auto without a special license that's very difficult to attain in any state

Yup it's totally fucked up. After I picked out my handgun it took 15 minutes after that to complete my purchase. Ordered my food right after they started the background check cause I thought it might take a while. Got my firearm and my food was still hot when I got back.

There really needs to be more before being able to buy a firearm. At the VERY least training and safety courses. This is where my opinion gets considered controversial, but if we had a better health care system I think annual mental health checkups for gun owners should be a thing.

Get the elephant gun. Also reba was bad ass in tremors

I too want a “rec room”.

Gun control does work great, when implemented on a national level.

Literally no science to support the notion it doesn't.

Only brainwashed Americans think it doesn't work.

Saw a police shooting video recently where the suspect barricaded in a car with a hostage. Suspect returned fire (full auto).

After the police shot him and freed the hostage, they went to clear the gun. It was a full auto HK UMP, which civilians in the US cannot legally buy or possess in any practical scenario (yes I am aware a SOT could have one for LE demonstration but that's relatively rare and not what this was).

In other words full auto MGs are being used by criminals who have cartel connections. The cartels get them from Mexican or South/Central American police and military who either are corrupted and resell the weapons, or are overt criminals themselves.

US has created a clown world where middle class software engineers are being hassled by the feds over having a braced AR pistol. ATF has jailed people over a drawing on a flat piece of metal. Meanwhile criminal element are running around with full auto UMPs and illegally modified Glocks. It is the exact opposite of what should be happening.

Or make a legal weapon an illegal machine gun.

Machine guns aren't illegal if you have a stamp.

It really isn’t difficult to buy illegal weapons in America.

FTFY

It really isn't difficult to buy illegal weapons

Maybe it should be.

Ok, and I’ve done a shit ton of drugs in Dayton, I get like police chiefs and gang members getting automatic weapons. But this guy seems like a collector and not an arms trafficker (well non-collection trafficker) or something similar. As a person in some seedy shit I just don’t get how you’d even bring that shit up.

Though as I say this I realize I have gun friends and am probably less degrees of separation from buying a machine gun than I think I am. That’s concerning.

$20k+ is pretty standard for on register transferable guns. Off register illegal machineguns can go for much less than that, like Glock switches. Unless we're talking about already very rare models of MGs.

Large quantiy ammunition buying is super economical, it's fairly common to see groups of shooting enthusiasts all go in on a pallet of ammo and distribute the ammo amongst themselves. Buying that much alone is a bit strange, but depending on how often you shoot you can go through a loooot of amunition quicker than you realize. Not millions of rounds, but I wouldn't think twice of someone with a few thousand rounds.

Cheap non remanufactured range 9x19mm ammo is about 18¢ a round. Or ~$180 per 1,000 rds.

But prices vary drastically by cartridge. .22LR might only cost you 10¢ per round but .50 BMG might cost $3.20 per round (both non reman cheapest prices). Without knowing what cartridges they were and how many of each we can't really calculate the total value.

This is a good website for the actual market value of ammo:

https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger?co=new

I am pretty darn pro 2A to the point where I think mag caps are wrong, but even I can see value in amount of guns allowed on one premise type of law. I really don't want to see some small cult activate a group of home grown terrorists and then them all being able to instantly access weapons from one location. If you're rich enough to own like let's say more than 50 guns, your rich enough to pay for some of them to be stored off site and be swapped through if they want to play with their different toys.

Some people are pretty agile with their feet.

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