Microsoft reveals costs of Windows 10 end of life security update — and it might be more than you'd expect
Microsoft reveals costs of Windows 10 end of life security update — and it might be more than you'd expect
Upgrading your business from Windows 10 may be costlier than you expect
It's the cost of installing Linux. 🤷
71Janette in finance is going to murder whoever tries to give her a FOSS alternative to Excel or forces her to fuck with a VM or web Excel.
We remember the last IT admin that tried to do a platform swap on her. RIP Patrick.
56It’s time to move to talking about spreadsheets on Linux instead of gaming on Linux
13As someone who uses Excel on Windows and Calc on Linux, I can totally understand. There are some big differences so there’s a valid reason for sticking with Excel. Casual users won’t notice anything big, but advanced users will.
On the other hand, if you’re an advanced Excel user, it usually means you’re trying to make it do stuff that it isn’t very good at. If you want stuff that Calc can’t provide, it’s a clear sign you should have written that calculation in R or Python a long time ago.
9"Hey Janette. Switching to Linux will save the company $$$$$$$ per year.
Your options are:- Create more value than that so it's worthwhile to stay on Windows for you
- Find a new job
- Deal with it"
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That's not what this post is about.
I understand, and agree, with the sentiment that more people should switch to Linux, but please don't pretend the answer to every topic regarding Microsoft or Windows is "just switch to Linux". It is for some, but it derails and invalidates a necessary conversation about shitty behaviour by Microsoft.
I have a machine running linux at home, I'm not afraid of a package manager, but Linux is not the answer to everything. Not yet at lesst.
I can't refuse to use windows at work, and much as i would sometimes like to, I can't just go and quit over what OS our computers run. That would end poorly for my livelihood and family.
The purpose of this article is to highlight unfair behaviour by Microsoft, especially towards businesses, which is a topic that needs more attention. Microsoft is in every level of infrastructure in almost every big corporation, and no matter how attractive linux is, that doesn't make the dangers of centralised IT belonging to one company any less relevant.
We should all do more to lobby for more companies and corporations switching to Linux, but replying with "just switch to Linux smh" is not pushing that agenda.
25i think the problem is the game of peoples reasoning to not get off windows.
I do agree its not the answer to move everyone to linux (just for context, my desktop is a modified windows 11, laptop is garuda(arch based), media nas is debian), its just a subset of the people have really terrible priorities.
for those who have hardware with gen 7 intel or order, yeah the situation kinda sucks. If youre IT at a company, also sucks. for those staying on 10 strictly because privacy reasons, is pretty silly given they already made the tradeoff that they rather trade off some privacy staying on windows to have a reletively hassle free experience installing other stuff (this applies even more to those using windows 7, which I find hilarious how stalwart they are not moving off the OS)
outside of how updates are handled and aome telemetry, windows 11 could be modified to have a very close to windows 10 experience, its just a game of people not wanting to make that jump if they are an individual user. I see it as a game of them not willing to put any effort in any direction to fix their situation.
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This is the final windows update.
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The most frustrating aspect isn't that the Windows would stop updating, but that everything else stops supporting it as well. W10 gets retired - Chromium browsers stop updating - Websites detect your UA and puts a popup block suggesting you to download a new version rendering sites unusable. Shit's snowballing for the end user.
66That's most likely going to take a long while though. Win 7 ended mainstream support in 2015 and extended in 2020, the last chrome version to run on it is 109 which was released in 2023.
15I would assume that extended support covers built-in apps like Edge.
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I'm really glad during the pandemic, a bunch of departments in my company focused on getting everyone Linux laptops. That led to a widespread adoption companywide.
I doubt any department is going to get approval to move to Windows 11 and deal with Microsoft's fees.
54I doubt any department is going to get approval to move to Windows 11 and deal with Microsoft's fees.
What fees are you talking about? Genuinely curious because I haven't seen any articles about new or increasing business fees.
0Business license. You need to license the OS and get the business version, times however many computers. And we'll need to buy new computers, get the win 11 business, and deal with all the Microsoft bs like office 365 etc.
Or just slap a Linux OS and have it join the rest of the fleet.
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$61 for most folks, $45 for people using Microsoft Intune or Windows Autopatch.
38How long has windows 11 been out? Edit: Since October 2021.
Why do I use a “health” check to see if I can upgrade? (My PC can’t be upgraded, so I guess it’s unhealthy?)
36I guess your options are:
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Do hacky workarounds to install Win11. If you make an install disc with Rufus there's a checkbox to do this automatically. There's no guarantee MS won't bork your install at some point due to this, but so far it's worked well for people.
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Install Linux.
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Stay on Win10 and lose software support from MS and your installed programs. This is risky, and the longer you do it the more risky it'll get.
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Send your PC to the landfill and buy a new one.
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And yet, whenever I see it, w11 feels like beta software to me. There's apparently stuff being added and removed all the time. Broken updates every now and again...
I haven't used Windows much for ages even though I tried to follow a little what was going on on that front, but it never felt that way with the previous versions.
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So I’ve got a year to get everything I need running on Fedora. My only concern is Linux audio configs as I never have to use audio running servers.
20Unless you are running some really bizarre hardware, I don't really see how you'll have to worry about any of that with a modern pipewire stack
15I thought so too, but it skips in wine for me so I went back to pulse. Surprisingly, never issues in pulse anymore
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Is it me or is Microsoft being boldly presumptive and an asshole?
To be fair, my wife's previous company, when it learned that all its Windows machines were reporting back home everything about it (which could interfere with litigation at the time, the company went Meh. ) and it was a medium-sized contractor.
I want to believe big Mic can only push us so far.
13The cost of ditching Windows 10 at your business and upgrading to the latest software might end up being a rather expensive process, Microsoft has revealed. Microsoft is ending support for Windows 10 on October 14, 2025, with businesses then needing to pay out for its Extended Security Updates (ESU).
Why would anyone pay for extended support if they're ditching Windows 10 and upgrading to 11?
8I understood it to mean: updating to 11 will have a cost, which comes as no surprise, but this time NOT updating also has a significant cost*. Meaning it's not a clear cut decision for the beancounters, like the endless delays some firms had moving off XP and 7.
*Assuming you still give a shit about being secure.
4Yeah the title makes no sense.
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This is just going to lead to people using outdated Windows 10 for various reasons. I don't use Windows much but have it installed. The trackpad gesture customization is basically gone in Windows 11 but was at least serviceable in Windows 10 (to change virtual desktops and volume easily).
6I skimmed the article, but they seem to keep saying that the cost is for “businesses”. So am I right to assume that I can get these updates for free on my personal PC?
4No, home and pro EOL are the same date as enterprise. Enterprise editions are allowed the extra time because Microsoft already knows an insane amount of businesses will not be fully moved off 10 by that date and instead of making themselves look bad, they setup this program to tell everyone hey where here for you and also ready to make an insane amount of bonus money.
Idk if the article also mentions, but every year after the first, the price increases for each additional year. The did this with Windows 7 as well, I know all about it because I work for a company that had to do it for 2 years. Once the time comes you replace the systems license with a new key that continues to allow updates to work.
15as far i know, this isn't intented for normal users but more for companys. normal users are supposed to upgrade. you can basically pay microsoft for a bit more time so you can change your workflow to be able to switch to win11.
7If it's going to be anything like XP and Win 7, no, but actually kinda yes.
Microsoft wants you to upgrade to win 11 so they don't offer the updates for you, but if you refuse they'd still much rather you don't just run an unsecured Windows for multiple years so the security check to enable extended updates is rather easy to bypass almost on purpose.
But we won't know until after they drop support.
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I'm good. I don't own local copies of anything I'll format that shit without a care in the world
2Companies will fire whoever is <30 so the boomers can afford to keep using their precious Microsoft until they die(they cant/won't retire).
-1530 year olds aren’t boomers.
13I wouldn't retiring next year though, even if I need to be called a boomer for that. Where do I sign?
1Really? I had no idea.
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So everyone complains about Windows updates, and then they complain about no Windows updates too. Microsoft can’t win.
-16Oh wow, people complaining that forcing enshittified Windows updates breaks their workflow are also complaining about constantly having to shell out money to continue receiving security updates? What hypocrites! /s
4My humor is lost on many
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