Trump to revoke legal status for 240,000 Ukrainians as US steps up deportations

Getting a lot of "if you don't like it here leave" sorta vibes.

You are partially right. For US Presidents, implementing policy is much harder than declaring it, something IIRC Bush and Obama echoed.

But on top of that, Trump had a lot of guardrails in the first term, a lot of old school Republicans and “regular” cabinet that watered down whatever ideas he had.

That is no longer the case. It's only loyalists egging each other on now. And there’s already a lot more bite, it’s just so much that it’s hard to process.

He did a huge amount of harm to our government. Not quite like this time, where most of what he is doing is outright illegal and is essentially a soft coup, but really bad nonetheless - just mostly aimed at making him money and getting/keeping political power instead of destryoying the country. Much of that was outright illegal, but a lot of it was just breaches of "norms" and "decorum".

I literally can't fit it all into one comment, its so much and such a convoluted web of schemes and lies and crimes and support from other politicians/lawyers/the media. And every day was something new. I followed all the legal cases relating to his admin back in the first term - it was hard to keep up with even while it was all happening. Much of the reason he was never charged or indicted for so much of what he did is that you can't criminally indict a sitting president.

The Mueller investigation into the Trump administration's conduct with Russian political operatives found that he more than likely illegally colluded with Russia to the detriment of the US and to defraud and disenfranchise voters, but literally couldn't charge Trump since he was a sitting president - hoping instead that someone would pick up the investigation when he could be charged. It is notable that that investigation produced 37 indictments and 7 convictions/guilty pleas, referred 14 more cases to DoJ for prosecution, and recovered like $48M in misappropriated government funds (the investigation cost $32M, so it was actually profitable). So, this investigation couldn't prosecute Trump, but 34 people in his administration were indicted and the findings of the report suggested they would have prosecuted Trump if they were legally allowed to. That says all you need to know, IMO.

Yeah, his first time around there were people who kept his worst ideas from being realized and drove away the worst of his associates. This time around those people are gone and he is surrounded by those associates and even worse people like Musk.

That's because the first term was to prepare

But the powerful people behind the scenes who are using him as a figurehead learned a lot from his first term and have been developing their plans for years since then. Biden winning a term just gave them more time to work on it. Though there's still chaos like last time (so we don't pay attention to the Project 2025 actions ), we see the lightning-fast implementation of their agenda from Day One: Schedule F (getting rid of civil service workers to be replaced with loyalists), firing the inspectors general to remove a major obstacle to implementing, the rash of executive orders for everything from the shibboleth "Gulf of America" to declaring a national state of emergency to clear the way for everything else. Trump's impulsivity can sometimes get in the way, but he's otherwise the perfect figurehead because he also agrees with the agenda.

It's far, far worse this time.

Last go around sure, there would be a fucked up tweet almost every day, but much fewer actual changes. Yeah Trump did some fucked up shit over those 4 years, but he's done more fucked up shit in the last month than in that whole term.

What really pisses me off is all the newspapers that have acted like he wasn't president for four years. As if there isn't already examples of how the guy acts.

They're more than likely in disarray right now because of all the mass firings and various insanity going on at the top of those departments.

No answers, but I for one might just have an idea of what you could do.

Good people don't become and remain any sort of unlawful enforcement officer. ACAC. All Cops Are Criminals.

They are a scapegoat in my opinion for presidents and congress. Congress can't or won't pass sensible immigration reform laws, so instead they just throw money into ICE knowing it's always been a boondogle, but pretend like they are somehow addressing the issue.

Obviously ICE attracts some terrible people, but it would barely need to even exist if our politicians were willing to pass policy changes.

Do we have any voices as powerful as those in WWII? I have yet to hear someone with a truly powerful place in media speak a heartfelt plea to the Americans because the media has been bought. Even if there was someone who could reach out and speak a message that people could hear, they would never let it air in a place where it mattered.

Talk eventually becomes action, if there is enough of it. By people agreeing with each other, they eventually normalize a thought. It could be something mundane like "this drawn girl is cute", and eventually snowball into "Last night's Hatsune Miku concert was rad, met twenty other cosplayers!"

Let people talk. It how communities become real.

Krasnov's got his own cabinet afraid to dissent, nevermind the cowardly Libs he's pwning.

The world is watching you, Murca, and we're turning away from you while you let this happen. On your streets, none of you are willing to admit you were lied to. You can't afford this ignorance.

Yes at the end of the day it was white people who put us in this position being the majority of voters for trump. My wife and I are both POC and our respective populations were majority voting for Harris. We are the most obvious people on the chopping block for death camps. I can understand people being frustrated with Americans in general but POC have always been marginalized and our populations not big enough, we aren't at fault for this but far too many are acting as if it is. We don't have left wing milita groups as far as I know. I've never heard of any where I live. We don't have organized resistance set up on our end and I have no fucking clue how to get organized like that and not make rookie mistakes that would get people killed/imprisoned before they could do anything meaningful. I do believe however that much of the 'hate' we are seeing directed at us is being fanned heavily russian/chinese/iranian troll groups to artificially grow a divide between left leaning Americans and the rest of the world.

Or at least his wife.

I hate that i can understand this with my 0.001 knowledge of russian. You are not my brother, you are my state* (oblast)

0.7M more people who the government needs to handle logistics and civil infrastructure for. It's about trying to exhaust the war resources in ways that don't directly influence the war in Ukraine's favor.

He's certainly trying to get the minerals without any legally binding agreement to put American troops in Ukraine. Whether he really wants them (or its just an excuse) and massive question over whether he can be trusted to abide by even legally binding agreements. What would the consequences of the US reneging be? I wouldn't take anything for granted with trump and the magas.

Oh comon, that was a really good shot under pressure

That kid almost became a historic legend.

I honestly don't know what would have happened. Would the country have been upset and voted for whatever other scum Republicans tossed in as Trump's replacement? Would it have been too late and the country would have just defaulted to Dems to be safe? I don't know. But the kid would have still been a hero.

Sooooooo close.

Most people who care what happens to others they never met are not murderers.

People who know people affected are usually powerless.

High school rifle club.

Best comment I have read in quite a long time.

I'm not so sure about that.
Just like the Federation in the Star Trek universe had the Prime Directive (rule) that prohibits its members from interfering with the natural development of alien civilization, I can see how time travel could have a similar rule. Going back in time to mess with things can create all kinds of unintentional butterfly effects.

As Gandalf says "Even the very wise cannot see all ends"

how do you know we are not living in the dregs of what science should have been?

Tbh, the shot looks like it would've blown the back of his dome off if he hadn't done his classic chicken head jerk at the last possible second, probably right as the shooter was pulling the trigger. Instead, it grazed his ear. Missed him by literally half a second.

I think the legal, standing around with signs protest is going to have to have its toothier cousin (the violent riot) starting up again alongside it if we want anything to change. They already painted the 2020 protests as "burning the cities down" despite them being >90% peaceful. We might as well -- to reference Kendrick Lamar's lyrics -- fuck being rational and give em what they asked for.

Been to three so far in MN already and plenty before that. Things will get wilder as the weather warms up as sad as that is, it is a reality.

Where? how do you know? how does the rest of the world find out about these?

Speak for yourself. What have you done to combat injustice in your home today?

Believe it or not yes some of us are trying to do something. You’ll have to forgive us for not having the same resources as the executive branch of the US.

The general public that opposes this isn't organized yet. This needs to happen first. People seem to want Americans who oppose this to go out and do mass shootings in areas we THINK there might be magats and hope for the best. I really think a lot of this is russian/other foreign trolls trying to rage bait someone into doing this. The people who want to go that route need to have intelligence and other leg work done for them to point them to the right places to get the most optimal results with the least collateral damage. I have no clue how to organize in a way that rookie mistakes wouldn't be made and people wouldn't end up getting imprisoned or killed before they were able to get what they wanted to accomplish done.

Our checks and balances within our federal government have failed. Categorically.

Absolutely, the whole system was based on the administration respecting the law, when it doesn't do that, all the checks and balances don't work.

They’re not particularly smart though.

Sadly that seems like the best hope we have.

Neo-fascist USA has literally threatened war with Canada and other neighboring countries, so if you think you won't be on the front lines in a nonsense war started by fascists, then history has a very important lesson to teach you.

Chances are you and other Americans will be fighting in Ukraine alongside Russia by next year at the rate this clown show is excellerating.

There's no American freedom in Neo-fascist USA, just whatever the broligarchy wants. The rights and freedom you, and every previous generation of Americans fought for are pretty much all gone now, so you are sorely mistaken if you assume you now have any.

That's not exactly voluntarily then, if it's to save your life.

Nah, first they take Greenland then they take Canada.

Why do we always blame the drug users instead of the drug dealers in this country and I’m using the terms as a metaphor in this case the dealers are the businesses they’re the problem not the folks trying to make a better life for themselves.

Because Job Creation is the ultimate altruism while Poverty is the ultimate sin in America.

The same people who hire illegal immigrants are the same people who vote for things like ICE and crackdowns and fund those candidates. They can pay their workers shit, get away with deplorable working conditions (are you calling OSHA if you are here illegally?) and then call up la migra the second that they hear talk about unions.

I wonder what the Ukrainian people want.

Well some want to leave, but the government isn't allowing them to.

Why is it evil for the u.s. to send people back to a war zone but not for ukraine to keep people in a war zone?

And before you go for the whataboutism I know russia is doing it too and that's fucked up. Fuck russia for starting this war but that doesn't resolve the contradiction of supporting refugee rights and mandatory conscription.

Especially the ones misplaced to the US by a war Russia started, and now have to return to a war zone because the USA is now politically aligned with Russia, and willing to break international treaties, law, and ethics if it gets them Putins favor.

You’re an absolute idiot it you can’t comprehend the international seppuku the USA has just committed by failing to help displaced war refugees, and instead now helps their aggressors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis

Ukraine government is drafting people by force and not allowing any male between 18-60 from leaving the country. Many people have died trying to flee the country.

"Anyone with a shred of humanity would see this as the evil bullshit it is."

It's more like: "Americans who support Ukraine... but couldn't be bother voting"

I was speaking to Americans that support Ukraine still.

Though I don’t think those are the people who voted for the orange hatred this time around