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Having a baby? Use this one weird trick!

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No need to go overseas, almost all countries with birthright citizenship are in the Americas.

The better term might be "abroad", rather than "overseas". Because Jus Soli is a concept that exists mostly in the Americas. So you'd better not cross over the Atlantic or Pacific sea for this plan.

That isn’t the plan you think it is. The US is an outlier in terms of granting birthright citizenship. Most countries - and particularly, most developed countries - do not do this.
- Canada, Mexico and a lot of South America countries do this.
  
  And if you believe any of them are safe territory when it comes to what our batshit government might do, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn looking for a buyer.
- Obviously all of those are also Nazi countries

They would have to have birth right citizenship for that to work.

Buddy, trust me you really shouldn't want Americans to become citizens in your country.

nobody likes immigrants, and that includes other countries

We don't recognize birthright citizenship. You'll have to fill in the paperwork like everyone else.

Americans posting memes against American Imperialism, while simultaneously having an American-Centric worldview about the world in regards to citizenship.
Ironic.
(No offense to OP 😉)
- tbh I had no idea Europe was so racist. Citizenship based on "blood" sounds like something out of the middle ages.
  
  Countries that use Jus Soli usually also have Jus Sanguinis. The USA for example. My friend is a US citizen despite not being born there because his mother is a US citizen.
  Not having Jus Sanguinis would be downright horrible. Imagine your mother moves back to her home country and if you want to follow her you have to clear immigration hurdles.
  
  It's based on paperwork, not blood.
  You can just turn up, release your spawn and claim it belongs there. We're not frogs in a pond.
  
  How so? Seems reasonable to me to have the same citizenship as my immediate family. And if you want to change it you can apply for it and get it no problem.

It's a good era in which to not have children. Expect a lot of forsaken children.
Also expect some coerced birthing programs such as the Leibensborn program (which was also an excuse to recruit young women as sex slaves for the Schutzstaffel ) and the offspring were supported by the state and raised by the single mothers.
This is the program that inspired the Handmaid program in Margaret Atwood's Gilead, in A Handmaid's Tale
And J. D. Vance is super thirsty for it, as is countless other Freedom caucus and MAGA Republican officials.
ETA That said, it might be a good time to get sterilized and commit to not having kids. (That doesn't mean you won't have chances to parent)
- Counterpoint:if all leftists don't have kids, then conservatives will end up as the entire next generation. Not to like say, definitely have kids, but anti kid propaganda only hurts us

Uh, very few countries have birthright only citizenship.
- Here's the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#Unrestricted_jus_soli
  If I'm counting correctly, 34 countries with unrestricted birthright citizenship, and 40 with restricted.

Well your kid won't get citizenship, but you'll be able to afford to birth them.

Is birth citizenship that common? Won't work here in Germany for example...
- Literally zero European countries do it. It seems to be in the Americas only, and Chad and Tanzania. The concept that this is some human right apparently only applies to he US.
  
  Yeah that's because we had a whole thing of people claiming that people born enslaved weren't citizens or eligible to vote
- None in Europe

Doesn't work in most countries. Being stateless isn't very fun.
- US citizenship comes from the mother, if born abroad. The baby would automatically be a US citizen, possibly have dual citizenship.
  
  Most countries don't have birthright citizenship.
  
  The mother or the father, and it depends on circumstances. The rules are more strict when the father is the US citizen.

This only works if you go to the green countries:

Edit: Source
- It's pretty telling about how much Americans know about other countries that the assumption is that Jus Soli is the norm.
- What if I go to the gray countries? Do I despawn?
  
  You can't go there until the next expansion.
  
  They have deathright citizenship. You automatically become a citizen if you die in their territory.
  
  Green: unlimited birthright citizenship Red: Limited birthright Citizenship Gray: (At least from my own country, Switzerland): No birthright citizenship
  
  Either no data or they do not have birthright citizenship
- Chad it is then.
  
  What a chad move
- Chile would be good. It has a fairly strong passport, which I believe is stronger than the USA one in 2025 (before Trump), since it can still travel to the EU visa free.
- I told my wife we're going on an extended vacation in ~~Kenya~~ Tanzania. She sounds stoked.
- I need to tell my brother to vacation in Uruguay this winter
  
  among latam countries, probably the best one to move to now
- Onward to Canada!
  
  You know they hate you right?
- Might I suggest a second good reason for South American countries--- when nuclear war hits the US, and it will, the southern hemisphere has a shot of surviving a nuclear winter. Billions will die but mostly in the northern hemisphere, even after accounting for fallout spread.
  
  What a ray of sunshine
- You got a very loose concept of "nazi"
  
  You are aware I'm talking about birthright citizenship here yes?
- México is on it's way to fascism so... Might want to check somewhere else
  
  Didn't they just elect a fairly liberal president?

Haha, that's not how it works outside the US.
- *for the most part.
  Some places it does.
  
  Come to Brazil!
- TIL the rest of the Americas don't exist
  
  Name a non-US country in the Americas that is not
  Are already closer to fascism than the US
  Currently threatened by the US
  Poverty stricken and lacking basic infrastructure (electricity, plumbing, internet) to a majority of the country.
- As much as people are criticizing the proposed changes to this concept in the US, yes, this is true. In many countries that are arguably more free and democratic than the US even, this is not the way citizenship works and the post comes off as uninformed.
- And weren’t they talking about getting rid of “birth right” citizenship in the US? So that might not even be how it works in the US anymore.
  
  They can’t without a constitutional amendment. They might still try to argue that the current constitution says something it doesn’t; they might just extrajudicially say “fuck you” to it.
  But the only ones talking about it are assholes and - to be clear - not a majority of Americans.

Also airlines won't let a pregnant woman travel at that point
- A quick internet search suggests 36 weeks (eight months), which is well into the third trimester, is the most common start of restrictions, and many airlines will accept a doctor's note the woman is low risk even past that. It was a 2008 election blip when the media got ahold of Sarah Palin flying while in labor because she wanted her special-needs baby delivered by the medical team that had prepared for him, which suggests even the written restrictions in airline policy are not consistently enforced.
- If a doctor clears you, they can't deny it.
  
  Sure they can. "My doctor said I can!" Well, they say you can't. Why would a doctor's note get you on an airplane?
- Is that true? Sounds kind of discriminatory.
  
  sounds more like they don't need a medical emergency mid flight aka 10km above the ocean
  
  https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/roadwarriorvoices/2015/08/08/here-are-14-major-airlines-policies-for-flying-pregnant/83846106/
  Certainly you can, but a lot of hurdles to restrictions. And most obgyns won't approve you if you have any risk factors.

Hah! Good luck finding one
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
  
  Which is really only used in the americas. Europe/Asia doesn’t use it, except in specific circumstances where the child wouldn’t be eligible for citizenship elsewhere. But even that is only due to treaties set up to prevent stateless people. If the child would have citizenship elsewhere (like in America), the European/asian country would tell them to apply there instead.

Imagine US citizens flying abroad to have anchor babies.
- And failing at it because most other countries don't have birthright citizenship 😂

Don't choose Germany, though, we (and a lot of nations, actually) still for some reason have citizenship-by-blood/heritage laws more or less straight out of the 19th century, not citizenship-by-birthplace laws.
- As a German myself I would like to here some arguments why citizen by the place you happen to be at birth is better?
  
  Basically: Resident enfranchisement. It's weird, when people born in our country and having lived here their whole life can't vote outside of local elections. My own father, for example, had a Dutch background, and was never allowed to vote in federal elections until his death. (Neither he nor I even spoke/speak a single phrase of Dutch)
  Yes, things have gotten somewhat better and easier with applications for citizenship, but that there are hurdles like that to begin with, is a bit.... weird.
  
  Both jus soli (citizenship by birth) and jus sanguinis (citizenship by blood) exist more for historical reasons than because one is better than the other. Both are simply a way to try and make citizenship a more clear-cut thing, because it's as close to being a made-up thing as you can get, especially in cases such as parents having a different nationality to the child (which is even more confusing when both parents are of different nationalities).
  Jus soli is more common in the Americas due to various factors, including an incentive towards immigration from richer countries during colonial times and the various movements towards emancipation of the enslaved peoples a few centuries later, but the fact remains that neither system is any more arbitrary than the other. Jus soli is often favored because it simplifies things like immigration and asylum seeking and reduces statelessness, which is still a significant issue that affects millions of people worldwide, mostly around war-torn areas.
  As mentioned in another response, enfranchisement is also a very important issue that jus soli resolves, although a significant part of it is also due to other, unrelated citizenship laws that may not necessarily conflict with jus sanguinis.
  
  Citizenship by blood can be discriminating to children of immigrants. Say, you're born in USA and spent all your life in there, would be spit on the face not considering you as a citizen
  
  Why would citizenship be based on where your parents are from?
- No European country has unrestricted jus soli for nationality. Ireland was the last one to restrict nationality by-soil to children of long term legal residents, which is the same as Germany.
- I wish. My ancestors moved to the US from Germany in the 19th or early 20th century, but I'm pretty sure I'm not eligible for German citizenship.
  
  Why would you be?

Ireland: Proof of residency for 3 out of the last 4 years before the child gets an Irish passport. It's enough to present utility bills or paychecks for that period. I did it, and my kids only have Irish passports (even though they'd be entitled to both) until they are old enough to make their own decision in this matter. Or Trump decides to expand his golf course to the entire island.

Not in Italy

Here`s the fun part.. you dont need an anker baby to come live in the EU. I think alot of countries here would welcome Americans who had enough of Trump

Goon holidays are the best kind of holiday

Best we can do is free health care
- a lot of countries don't even do that, many countries reserve that for just their citizens.

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