This is madness

It's a lot less cool when you're robbed the option of day time entirely, because you have to spend daylight hours at work...you wake up, its dark...you leave work, its dark. And on top, it's rainy and cold and windy.

Mostly losing my will to live for months every year is not very cool.

People who bark about diurnal superiority are losers.

depends where you live

That's around the same latitude as Kiel in Northern Germany. Go up to Stockholm and it sets around 2:45 pm at the earliest.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/sweden/stockholm?month=12

Yes, it is mocking DST.

Where I live the sun comes up at 6 am and sets at 9 pm. That makes the noon at 1:30 pm. If we didn't have DST it would be up at 5 and down at 8 pm with noon at 12:30, which would be preferable.

DST fucks with my sleep schedule, I hate it so much.

I live just about in the middle of Norway. It's nearly always dark in the winter and nearly always light in summer.

DST also makes no real difference here, if its sunrise at 4:30am and sundown at 11:30pm or sunrise at 3:30am and sundown at 10:30pm doesn't matter whatsoever.

For ghouls, maybe.

No. No i think roasting when you open your front door is worse.

They're both equally just fine imo. During winter it can be really bright with snow and sunshine feels so much better and during summer I just get heavier curtains.

No, fuck you.

That doesn't mean that I have to love each season equally or that my depression magically goes away.

You act like the sun […] does something other than give you cancer.

Have you ever heard about vitamin d (no dick jokes, I dare you!)?

Also, how the hell do you enjoy outside at like 50c/112f?

You live in the wrong region, my friend.

Been there. Starting at 7:30am, before dawn. Finishing at 4:30pm, after sunset. Fine I'll just go without any daylight for 5 days per week then.

I have no kids, work 40 h/Week and only have a 6 min bike-commute left (used to be 55 min by train from a bigger city).
So in the summer I get up at 5:50, leave for work at 6:50, start work at 7 till 16:30 and am back home at 16:40 (Fridays are shorter). I go to bed at around 23:00. In the winter i sometimes shift the whole thing back by 1 hour.

So on a normal weekday I have ~6,5 hours left to cook, clean, meet friends, do sports. So yes, i am absolutely going to the lake at 8pm.

In the winter it's still dark 4 days a week, when I get home. So no visit to the lake, no long bike-tours etc... All activities that require sunlight have to take place on saturday/sunday. I could really use more sunlight in the winter.

I lived in Fairbanks, AK for almost three years. I've also lived in Bethel for a little over a year and spent about 6 months in Barrow. I grew up in Anchorage. If I could afford to have seasonal houses, my summer home would be in Barrow and my winter home would be in Fairbanks.

Fuck anywhere that gets above 65F at any point during the year. It's currently 62F in Anchorage and while it's bearable, it's bordering on becoming miserable.

Fuck Summer and the Sun it rode in on.

Nah, I know Finnish people who like winter and their winters are hard core.

I think it's a bit hard to live further south than Punta Arenas but I loved winter there despite it being far from warm.

Have you never heard of Antarctica?

Yea, here in New Orleans the sun is setting around 7:30. Elsewhere in the post people are talking about the sung going down at 9:00 in Germany. So I looked it up and apparently New Orleans is further south than Cairo.

The problem is not of stupidity, but of concerted efforts by fossil fuel lobbies to muddy the research, create anti-green propaganda, climate science denialism, hide determinant research about climate change, and lobby politicians who are against the fight on climate change.

Denmark

then there is the winter when you casually just realize that you haven't seen the sun in weeks, maybe event months because you leave for work before the sun rises and go home after it sets and in the weekends you are inside recovering from the workweek.

But still i like to say that it takes the whole winter to yearn for the summer but it only takes one day of summer to want it to be winter again.

That, and more energy. I swear something got fucked up at the factory when they made me. I'm a terrible scandinavian. I am prone to pretty intense winter depressions and I'm not a fan of the cold either. I have been so far down the dumps during the winter seasons that I have blacked out entire months and have no memory of what I did and my spouse is like "yeah, you basically spent two months sitting in the same corner of the home when you weren't working, just looking gone, dude." And when I have winters where I feel like I did pretty good and didn't get depressed my man still goes "yeah, nah. You were depressed af. Just not vacant this time".

On the flipside I have been giddy like a kid walking for hours in flip-flops in Mediterranean mountains, getting slow cooked by the summer sun. I remember last time I was visiting Greece with my parents and we walked all morning until noon to get to a nice little beach across the mountains and a couple of locals saw us coming and were fucking horrified that we had come all that way on foot, lol.

That's what I forgot to add. True, but summertime here is full of shitty tourists, while local people spend more time outside making annoying and noisy parties.

Oh. I forgot to add I also hate parties.

I bet they throw amazing parties. Nice food, drinks that aren't all bud light and shots, music is a background thing and not something you have to compete with for conversation, maybe a bored game or card game.

Dana Scully.

Fun fact; she wasn't allowed to play an FBI agent in anything else for a long time as to not dilute the Scully character

I had ONE job. :(

As my mom always said

"If you're cold you can put on more clothes, but you can only get so naked"

And boiling alive is better than winter depression :/

Where do you live? Maybe you could choose a more temperate climate

It's hot & humid here in the subtropics but even so I love this season the most. I was born here and grew up without AC so adapted I guess. Being still in the shade with a breeze I am comfortable up to a pretty high temp but here the summer has afternoon storms that cool it a little so the evening, while hot, is usually 25-27 not 40.

Our indoor AC is set to 26. That feels cool enough in the summer, so evening is comfortable.

I cannot get comfortable in the cold, no amount of clothing seems to work, I just don't generate that much heat.

Riding home on the bike is MUCH safer in the daylight too.

1. You can adapt to high temps. Drink water and consume enough electrolytes, and your body will learn to be more adept at keeping itself cool. Meanwhile, your brain will get used to high temps. The problem is that you are avoiding the heat, which means your body never adapts.
2. For heavy exercise, simply do it earlier or later in the day when temps are cooler. Warmer regions developed the siesta for a reason.
3. If you really hate it so much, move.

What tropic are you from?

We're at 40 currently, it's very hard to breathe

The time doesn’t affect the weather. It’s still going to be hot or cold out for the exact same length of time. Time zone changes only affect whether you’re working or playing at those times. I’d rather have the option than be forced to be working when the sun is out.

"I love everything about nights but I can't stand the day, the sun melts calmness away."

-Bracket

Your logic doesn’t make sense. In other threads you’re arguing that you can’t go out when it’s hot, so stay inside instead. That’s how you get ready for bed anyway, by staying inside. How does the sunsun staying up later change your night routine at all?

Guess what it does do? Make afternoon outdoor activities much safer. Biking, rock climbing, running, literally any outdoor activity is much safer in daylight.

Tbh id settle for a split difference, just get rid of the time shift. It's more of an issue in the winter.

It can be pretty great, but you really do need to treat it differently than you would on the grid!

For example: at night, making sure you don't leave lights on, not running heavy loads like the microwave for very long, etc.

The good news is that as the old expensive equipment gets phased out, it gets easier and cheaper to DIY your off grid (or emergency backup) system!

For real, I have wood stoves (and propane heaters a supplemental) for winter heat so luckily a little less load on my system! This past winter was so cold here I had to get a subzero sleeping bag and put a living heater (my dog) inside of it because even the wood stoves couldn't keep up

I have mini splits but because of the sun situation I couldn't run them on heat without burning through my power/spending hundreds of dollars on gas for the generator!

Can we have it in the morning instead of when we are trying to wind down to sleep?

Black out shades? Those are the sunglasses you put on when drinking heavily so nobody can see how plastered you are.

Thank you, but why is it bad thag 9pm is bright?

Just take some D₃ with lunch, it's fine.