Fk'n Legend

Well von holzhausen is American born, raised and educated. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Holzhausen Also Elmo didn't found shit.

Elon didn't found shit

and he isn't visionary. that's 2 out of 3...
I'll allow asshole but it's still a bit too flattering for him.
Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning 4 lyyyyyfe

Elon is not the founder of Tesla. He sued the actual founders to bury that fact.

much like many of his other "projects", he's not the founder. He bought it with his inheritance, then trashed the product.
Sounds like a constituion/lawmaker problem to me if he won/settled (i.e. paid to win).
- No dispute on my end but the fact remains he's a unfitting example for the meme as he was the fourth CEO in the company's history and wasn't in the picture when it was founded.
  https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/tesla-founders-martin-eberhard-marc-tarpenning-on-elon-musk.html
- doesn't change the fact that he's not the founder.

Actually, Elmo didn't found Tesla.

Didn’t he in fact sue the actual founders to be allowed to be called a founder?
- I thought he paid extra to be able to tell that lie.
- Given his history, if he had to sue someone to be able to use a title, it's probably not a legitimate title.
I asked grok and it said he did. It also said earth was cylindrical.
- Are you sure you spoke to grok? Did it mention white genocide or mechahitler?
That nickname is an insult to compassionate and intelligent muppets.
- i prefer Felon Stank
- For real tho.
  I was never exposed to the show (etc.) actually & still find it terribly insulting.
My university textbooks said he did. I was dumfounded when I saw that.
- Hopefully they didn't charge you absurd prices for those shitty books, but i already know they did
- I hope your tuition is free then. Sounds like you could get a better education from chatgpt.
also how could steve jobs be visionary if he needed glasses
- he couldnt see that his pnet(pancreatic) cancer was a rare type, and it was slow growing compared to usual one( usually metastic by the time of diagnosis and pretty lethal). he went on all fruit diet to treat until it was too late.
- Checkmate presbytarians
- His only vision was profit.
  \ Needed glasses to count the profits in cents.
steve jobs sued and stole his way to apple.

Elon musk didn't found tesla. He's also an idiot nepo baby, not a visionary.

Elon to my knowledge hasn't been the founder of a single project he's been part of. He's bought everything.
- Yep, he's your typical parasitic orbiting-usurper, buzzing around people of talent until the opportunity presents itself for him to steal all their work while they're busy making the future happen.
  Steve Jobs was exactly the same. Wozniak made the Apple 1 a reality and before that, he used Wozniak's discarded Pong PCBs to get a job at Atari. At Atari he was just a talentless socially domineering psychopath doing shakedown on the company's nerd for his lunch money.
  When assigned a task to create a cost-optimized version of the game Breakout, were he was offered 100$ for each TTL chip he could optimize out of the design. So he went to his "friend" Wozniak, who managed to remove 50 chips from the design. Steve Jobs made 5000$ (in 1976 money) and he "let" Wozniak have 375$ of this. All jobs did is the menial work of etching the PCBs sketched by Wozniak and solder some of them.
  Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are truely despicable pieces of shit and I say as a society, and for the good of everyone, we should use the dystopian surveillance capitalism to find all people like them and box them right out so we don't have to suffer such parasitic psychopaths.
- His initial lottery ticket of a business Zip2 I think he was fairly a founder.
  I know next to nothing about it because no one ever heard of it before Compaq had a huge case of dot-com FOMO and paid $300 million for it, where it promptly went nowhere like it already was.
- Who founded SpaceX, then?
- Ohh, so like he's the Tommy Tallarico of tech
- Wait, didn't he contribute like 100 lines of code to PayPal?
- Isn't he the founder of SpaceX?
  I think you're right about everything else though.
Same with Jobs on the "visionary" part -- the only thing that guy ever visualized was bigger stacks of money.
- In fairness to Jobs, he may have been an arsehole, but he was also an incredible salesman who knew what his customers wanted.
  I'm old enough to remember how genuinely captivating his product presentations could be. The shit that Apple pre-records these days is worthless by comparison.
- I think Jobs had his issues, but I do have to consider it fair for folks to claim him to be a visionary.
  There was a presentation back in '97 where someone a bilt salty about Apple abandoning OpenDoc for Java and Jobs had a pretty solid response with insight.
  Not so sure about post-iPod Jobs, but once upon a time he certainly seemed a respectable business leader with good product focus.
More delusional than visionary.
One out of three ain't bad.

Okay funny, but yeah Tesla on here kinda fucks it up because Elon is not a founder of Tesla, and he's not visionary unless you count finding new ways to make it worthless. Elon is not visionary in any of his businesses, he just has money and pays people under him to try to make him look good. Emphasis on try

He is an asshole though, I'll give you that

Oh, but Elon is a founder, he paid enough to retcon himself as such, so he is.
Can't argue him being a 'visionary' though, unless you count ambitions that are vague enough so they are not actually actionable and obvious enough that pretty much any random person would be predicting the same thing.
- Paying to say you are something doesn't mean people need to accept it. He's not a founder of Tesla under conventional understanding and he never will be. It's as simple as that
Eh, calling Linus 'quiet' kind of cancels it out.
Until 2015 or so he did look good. Whenever the divers debacle was.
- 'member r/enoughmuskspam ? Reddit was blowing him so hard there was a sub asking to please tone it down a little.

I don't think Linus Thorvalds is either very stylish or really an asshole. He might be a bit short fused, but not an asshole.

I think he's an asshole¹ but he's not nearly on the same level as Elmo or any other billionaire. Between actually working and contributing, not being as hardcore exploitative capitalist, and not having nearly the same level of hoarded wealth², there's just far less potential for assholery.
1: Mind, I still value his work, but the way he sometimes treats people reaches into asshole territory for me.
2: A superficial search suggests a net worth of $50 million. In perspective, that's $0.05 billion, compared to the late Jobs' $10.8 billion (0.5%) or Musk's ~$400 billion (0.01%)
Eh, he'd probably agree that he is a bit of an asshole.
- He’s definitely a bit of an asshole. I appreciate his propensity to talk shit to people, I enjoy that myself, but he equates intelligence with technical skill and tells people they just need a thicker skin if they don’t like his abuse.
He might be a bit short fused, but not an asshole.
He's short fused with volunteers who are donating time to his project, which makes him an asshole.
- The kernel group is not your next corner charity and it's members are highly qualified devs - all of them knowing where they are and the majority paid very well for their work by their employers. Also, it's not that Thorvalds ever arbitrarily picked on someone or kept on picking on anyone because of personal antipathy as assholes use to do. Any of these events was caused by a specific fuckup by the very person that got addresses and they all did the same thing (fuck up, refuse to fix,. let someone else take the resulting damage) they were explicitely warned not to do. I do have quite a lot of understanding for individual fuckups - they just happen under the right combination of shitty circumstances but I'd be the last one to complain if I'd get F-bombed if I'd be the one to blame. Interestingly none of the addressants complained either. It's always been third parties/media to scandalize these for their own reasons.
Eh - I mean, I'm not an asshole all the time, but I can be occasionally. I'm also not very stylish.
Wait...am I Linus Thorvalds? Nope.
- Too late. You outed yourself, Linus
A bit asshole I see.

Gives musk too much credit

Way too much. FAR from founder, fucking Nepo baby that acts like we're all shitty because we weren't born with a silver butt plug.
- Pretty sure it was a blood-diamond butt plug.
- Many are still stuck in the snake oil he manufactures as his main source of income. China socials particularly because of the information gap. Keep making his image in the mind of the people harder to believe, just ask thunderfoot, it's working
~~Visionary~~ Asshole ~~Founder~~
- The AHole down a KHole....
And Jobs
Woz was also a founder.
- But not an asshole founder
- But not an asshole founder.

Musk bought it not founded it. There needs to be a whole nother column

Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning are the founders.
Instead of having them as the face of American EV innovation, we have some guy who's talent is being born with money and then getting lucky in a business venture.
There's hundreds or thousands of these companies which were founded by innovative and creative people that were bought out and absorbed into some giant corporation so that it doesn't ever have to compete with anybody.

Replace "Visionary" with "Infamous" and musk photo with that one goth photo that he was trying to hide.

Is there any evidence that he's ever done anything to try to hide it? I've only ever seen that claim as an engagement-bait caption on the photo itself, to coax people into sharing it.
There's never any details of exactly what steps he's taken to erase it from the internet, and in fact when I searched it just now one of the top results shows that he literally retweeted the photo himself. I mean, fuck Musk and all, but also fuck clickbait.
You can hear his trustfund sing

Pretty sure Elmo isn't one of the founders of Tesla. And calling him a visionary is pushing it.

Nah it's cool bro, he rewrote history to make himself the founder of Tesla, because you can just do that when you have enough money.
I mean, I don't doubt that he sometimes has visions with all the ketamine he takes.

I would have figured the three Linuses would have been like:

Enthusiastic loud mouthed young Linus arguing with Tannenbaum.
Aggressive Linus with no filter at all slapping maintainers upside the head.
Aggressive Elder Linus with a personal insult filter applied still slapping maintainers upside the head.

You may not like it, but this is what the peak full stack dev looks like.

I came here to point out that Musk didn't found Tesla, but I see that this is basically the entire topic of the comnents section 😂

You all don’t know what you’re talking about. Elon absolutely is a visionary. Who else could come up with the new Tesla Roadster with rocket thruster package (source)? Now, actually brining that vision to market, yeah Elon might not be your guy. Now that I think about it, his visions are more like delusions. Maybe let’s call him a delusionary.

Also gonna put this here if you would like to read more of his delusions. https://elonmusk.today/

if you would like to read more of his delusions

Lost Stallman...

https://i.imgur.com/YXU7B7v.jpeg
- To be fair, none of this would have happened without Stallman, and I understand the criticism. But let's remember, there are things that he did that were very positive for computing. If it weren't for Stallman it is doubtful that we would have a free operating system to this day.
- This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on Stallman and Linux lmao
- womansplained to death lmao
- I'll never not upvote this.
RMS is the Woz of the Linux world.

Oh my God is Linux pronounced Line-ux?

On the chance this isn't a joke, no it isn't, Linus has said so himself
Apparently, Linus' name is pronounced like how people normally pronounce Linux, according to his Wikipedia page.
- omfg seriously?
- Incredible
That's how I used to say it decades ago when it was one of those "I have only ever read it" words.
It's probably because I knew the name Linus from Peanuts / Charlie Brown, and in that they pronounce it "Lie-nuss." So back then I said "Lie-nux." When I first heard it as "Linn-nix" it sounded not just wrong but less cool.
But between having watched videos of Torvalds speak, and knowing a handful of Finland's neighbors (Swedes) the correct pronunciation of "Linn-nix" is the only way I even think of it in my head now.
- For me, the I is longer and the u more european as well. Like the u in pugs. More like "Leen-ux"