UnitedHealthcare CEO's alleged killer Luigi Mangione inspiring others toward violence, prosecutors say
UnitedHealthcare CEO's alleged killer Luigi Mangione inspiring others toward violence, prosecutors say
Is he on trial for inspiring other people to commit violent acts? Is that one of the charges he is facing? No, He is on trial for murder. How other people respond to that is not his responsibility.
Additionally, he is still on trial. He has not been found guilty. So they are saying that something he may or may not have done is responsible for other people potentially doing something that they haven't yet done.
What a bunch of irrelevant hogwash.
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I would argue our shitty healthcare/corporate greed that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths and suffering is inspiring people to commit violent acts. Why else would someone do them?
Edit - missed a word
Millions of deaths. Hundreds of thousands of deaths a year. They are monsters that deserve what they get.
Did they drop the terrorism charges or did I just misunderstand the clamor about it? Seems like their argument would be related to those charges, not that it's a good argument.
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Fixed that for you
Yes, the violence here is the mass murder that comes from the purposefully cruel rejection of coverage for lifesaving medical care by UnitedHealthcare, and yes I guess somebody was shot with a gun too amid all the violence but I struggle even to perceive a single death among such mass suffering and mass death.
Its an inspirational story.
One to aspire to. Who doesn't want to be a hero?
And make no mistake, slaying a dragon is a heroic act. Universally recognized as such by everyone except other dragons.
has inspired others to embrace violence over reasoned debate
It is definitely not the murder of whatever ceo that fueled the will to go over "reasoned debate". It's the absolute lack of effects from "reasoned debate" for the majority of populations.
People: I need X to survive/not suffer/live a dignified life.
Corporation: Literally fuck off and die.
Also corporation: Why do they hate us? :((((
That's a lie.
It's the disparity in wealth and rigged system that's inspiring people towards violence.
America's national motto is WORK WILL SET YOU FREE.
unhealthy levels of wealth inequality inspires others towards violence
Don't threaten us with a good time.
This is journalistic malpractice. They're trying to try this guy for other potential crimes against the absolutely most hated minority in america, for profit health insurance CEOs.
This is journalistic malpractice.
How? They're reporting what the prosecution is saying in court. Isn't that the whole point of the press, to report facts?
If that's true, then let's sue the right-wing media for glorifying every white-supremacist mass shooting as a misunderstood troubled souls, encouraging any angsty WASPs out there looking for attention
United's violence against their customers denying necessary, doctor advised medical care they paid premiums for is inspiring towards more violence, let's not start the wheel halfway already turned
Where's the proof?
I think a couple pretty damning pieces of evidence are:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/12/05/data/unitedhealthcare-claim-denial-rates/
United used an algorithm to automate claim denials which boosted profits and killed people as a result. They murdered people for profit. And everyone but Brian the CEO got away with it.
This is such BS. There's actually been a disturbing LACK of copy cats, and dead CEO's.
There have been at least 2 more CEO killings recently. But mainstream media is deliberately not reporting on it, because it'd likely lead to even more. Don't forget everything is owned and managed by the same groups of people.
And who inspired him? I think many CEOs are the source inspiration
Well let’s talk about that in regards to Kyle rittenhouse, the January 6th rioters, Daniel penny, Vance boelter and the endless stream of far right terrorists we are forced to tolerate. Luigi is a man of the people a real life hero in a soul crushing dystopian hell hole.
Yeah, I don’t think his act is the inspiration here.
Or its the overwhelming economic conditions.
Let me get this straight.
A group of serial killers go around killing people for fun and power.
Then someone decides enough is enough and takes one of those serial killers out themselves.
The guy that defended against those serial killers is inciting violence?
I don't understand....
Provide examples then.
Right!? I kind of was hoping the wave would start.... Clearly it hasn't.
Billionaires do more to inspire attacks against billionaires than anyone else, we should start by attacking that problem first.
Billionaires shouldn't exist.
How can someone completely innocent inspire violence?
Innocent until implied guilty I guess
Good, they deserve the hate.
What's inspiring violence is 95% of the world is being robbed by the other 5%.
I fuckin wish dude
Luigi doesn't inspire to kill anyone
CEOs inspire people to kill CEOs
No proof of that at all. I haven't heard of a single other healthcare ceo getting deleted.
Zero proof of that. Just scaremongering and sensationalized BS by prosecutors. I mean, wishful thinking and all, but still not real.
That's a weird way to spell 'folk hero'.
It's a weird way to say Not Guilty.
I'm late to this party but I always like to chip in on Luigi threads:
It would seem to me, that Luigi is a troubled young rich kid who wrote some critical, if meandering, things about his frustrations with US Healthcare, got accused by a McDonalds employee who was financially incentivized to see a suspect, had evidence planted by some cops hoping to catch this rising folk hero before anyone else got any ideas, and then got railroaded by the most corrupt DOJ since the Gilded Age.
If I'm on the jury, I haven't seen ANYTHING that directly ties him to this shooting that wasn't badly compromised by the cops. This is almost surely an acquittal or a hung jury.
My theory is that they know this, so what they will do is pull a Casey Anthony, whose case shared a similar situation of an extremely poor investigation that was almost certainly going to lead to an acquittal. They will slow walk the investigation and the trial for as long as legally possible, putting weeks and months between motions, and keep him in prison for as long as possible, because that will be the only time he will serve. Casey Anthony was found Not Guilty, but she still served over three years in prison.
Luigi may be ultimately released, but he will still sit in jail for several years of his life.
yea, his trial doesnt start until early next year, they are hoping people would forget luigi by then, and the distraction of the midterms, so they can do what they want with the courts.
on a side note, this is the reason people dont want to do jury duty
I support the movement behind Mangione but come on, he clearly murdered that guy.
This movement and support should be focused on electing politicians to change laws. Killing CEOs really will not fix anything. Killing one roach does not mean you got rid of cockroaches.
Why is it so clear to you? Because he's the one paraded in front of the populace? Politicians are not on your side, stop believing you can vote your way out of anything. Voting got you all the way here, how's that been going for ya?
CEOs aren't cockroaches. They're rational human beings. They can see what happens to their peers and adjust their behavior accordingly. If not there's a perfectly manageable number of them to make an example of until the rest get the message. Politicians are in their pocket so we can't rely on that angle to change anything.
Bullshit. Its the corpos' actions that provide all the inspiration
Counterpoint - greedy bastard CEOs killing your relatives by denying healthcare they’ve been paying premiums for for years is inspiring violence.
One death is a tragedy
One million, a profitable quarter
~ Jamie Diamon
Or a car.
Luigi didn't inspire anyone to kill. He was with me that day!
The American system encourages violence. You arm every citizen, piss them off and deny services and then wonder why they resort to violence. It's the method you built a to your system. Stop trying to blame the lone wolf, you are the problem.
Don't forget the fact that half of us also vote against our own best interests because they're convinced that having social services is the work of the devil.
Not wrong.
It's hardly his fault that anarchists made him their poster boy, tbh. He was still in lockup when they were using him to promote violence.
Harmful words it's not his fault everyone is outraged.
Basically all evil of the world is his fault. Nice, I hope next evidence would be antichrist bible verses.
Even if it were true, that's not a crime. If we could prosecute people for inspiring evil Creamsicle McHairplugs would be in jail instead of the white house.
Luigi's continued incarceration is proof that the majority of us cannot tell hot brown-eyed himbos apart
he looks nothing like that guy apart from being a hottie with a couple similar "drivers license" features
I'm pretty sure our capitalist lords are inspiring violence.
The bee and the buffalo were also inspired by him.
Hey, greedy motherfuckers... you ever stop to think WHY people want to see you murdered in the street?
These stupid mother fuckers think we should be grateful for the opportunity to toil for them...
Umm. It's not Luigi inspiring violence.
Pretty sure it's the actions of parasitic CEOs in the pursuit of ever expanding profits with no concern for the wellbeing of the public that is inspiring people to violence.
Free Luigi!
How dare those filthy plebes get ideas about fighting back?!?
No, the United Healthcare's CEO inspired other CEOs to deny more claims, which has a MUCH higher death count.
This is harm reduction.
It was Defense of Others. The shooter stopped a Corporate Serial Killer, and is a hero.
Not only that, but we now no that other health insurance companies loosened their standards after the shooting, so it worked.
How many other healthcare CEOs have been shot since then? None? Hardly inspiring then.
I think the black rock one, but that shooter was after the NFL and got the wrong floor
I'm not convinced that he wasn't the real target, despite what was officially stated. Seems a bit too perfect to be true.
What if the United States' version of defenestration was blaming a random shooter?
Blackstone, and that was a real estate group, not health insurance.
My teacher said it was good to have aspirations and be inspiring.
If rich parasites have to fear for their lives then I don't see that as a bad thing. I see it as nature aspiring to correct itself in an inspiring way!
Let it be stated here, if I'm ever inspired to commit acts of violence it will be strictly because a Nazi is the richest man on earth and the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
Fuck I hope so. Oh, but you better kill him so other people don't kill the other CEOs who murder for profit, because murder is only okay for money, or when the state does it to protect killers that are also campaign donors.
Name one copycat CEO killing.
Or if you do think there is a trend, show me that it started this incident and not gentures at the current state of affairs and entirety of American history
Sure... it's not CEOs' and companies' behavior that inspires violence but this single guy (who totally did not get inspired by one CEO's/company's behavior). 🤣
He isn't even guilty. The CCTV photo didn't look like him. Let's stop assuming.
please, I can only get so erect
Even if true, how is that relevant to the case?
It's relevant because it's proof the case was fucked with and we can throw out any evidence collected as tampered with and let this rando Luigi guy free. We know when we're being fucked with.
So did George Washington.
Always funny how the people in power want to preach that the war is over.
based, can't wait
I literally do not see what the problem here is...
Just a great solution!
When a school shooter shoots kids do you get inspired towards violence? No. So you are looking at the wrong direction for the inspiration source.
Not me personally, but yes it happens. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5296697/
United Healthcare CEO is responsible for a system that made Luigi Mangione suffer an unbearable amount of pain.
Don't you understand, CEOs only want responsibility to extend to their shareholders, insofar as having a golden parachute if things don't work out.
Inshallah.
No that would be CEOs and other rich sociopathic fucks.
Lmao. "Reasoned debate"
If his ideas are as widely supported as prosecutors claim, how do they have any chance of getting a unanimous conviction?
Aren’t they basically admitting there’s no fair way to convict the guy?
i dont think that's true at all. I mean, considering all the evil these CEOs are responsible for, some might hope it is true. But I don't think anyone actually believes it is true.
Also, I'm pretty certain Luigi was framed.
I think most of us know it was those lookers on the grassy knoll.
Are there examples of other violence?
Furthermore, are there examples of him inspiring people to commit violence?
Lmfao. No. Not every act of violence after Luigi is inspired by Luigi. Read the wiki, fool.
Luigi > Dead CEO
Yup
I feel like people aren't inspired enough tbh. I thought we would at least get a copy cat or two by now.
It’s all gotta start somewhere.
they clamped down hard on media and social media after luigis news became more and more pronounced, ever since they clamped down in mid december, not a peep was heard from the news about luigi since then, except a smattering of "when luigi is getting sentence, or trial.
If there were, do you think you'd hear about it? Pretty sure the first one let them know how we all felt about it. They'll keep it under wrap if it continues/d
I allegedly wish the next Mario Bro the best of luck.
Good
Oh nope! Its wasnt Luigi. He was just another poor soul. Weve had so many others before him to show us how powerful we REALLY ARE. Luigis just a victim IMO.
If only that were true.
That would be correct.
Self Defence....it's self defence.
Legally... how is that relevant to determining guilt? Sentencing maybe.
GOOD
GOOD
well, yeah, hopefully
doesn't seem like it, though
Good
That's the problem, not the violence, guns, injustice and violence.
I think we are going to need a few more examples to buy this argument.
Clearly not as much as was needed
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Whatsoever the case may be, it is not violence. It is a simple case of self expression. Case closed. Let’s go have some interesting lunches today.
Good?
Let’s hope so.
lol. People are realizing they are cattle. And if a person realizes they are cattle… they get treated worse than the herd, and corruption is acceptable to put them under.
If citizens weren’t groomed and naive they would be at war. There’s a reason people get labeled as gangs mafias and terrorists and the truth is that it’s not because what they do is wrong in a human story sense, it’s because it goes against “them”… if it’s okay for nations to kill it’s okay for x to kill. …in a sense of realism. There is no difference. Between Joe Shmoe murdering someone to survive the game of life and a military man killing.
We pay tax tor out military to kill… it no different that x paying x to kill for their wellbeing.
Maybe if nations, or America could be honest about this fact, they would get more respect from their citizens. But they market identity and side step like snakes. And the people have to ask… who are we actually supposed to trust.
Sounds like they're grasping at straws to get a bigger sentence or something, Luigi stans are nothing but adventurist larps in reality
That's not a good prosecution strategy. I can remember multiple cases that were acquittals because they overcharged.
One is the Casey Anthony case, where they charged her with Capital murder, when they couldn't even determine a cause of death. As a juror, I'm not sentencing a young woman to the death penalty for murder, when they can't even tell me how the child died.
they are hoping to have jurors dumb enough to charge for even 1 crime, if they overcharge people, especially with multiple ones. thats why its usually the people chosen for jurors, are people that dont speak up, retirees, or fully paid employees.
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Is he on trial for being inspiring? Because otherwise, the prosecutors should STFU about it.