6 in 10 Canadians say they can never trust Americans the same way again
6 in 10 Canadians say they can never trust Americans the same way again - National | Globalnews.ca
And they shouldn't.
Trust them to do what exactly? Were y'all asleep during covid? You can't trust humans to put a mask on during a pandemic. But I don't go into every interaction assuming the worst of the other person. Now if we're talking about the American government? Yeah that's a valid sentiment.
Trust them to have basic human decency, trust them to not invade Canada, trust them to rigorously oppose a criminal regime?
As George Carlin said: "Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders."
Or any time during NAFTA.
Too many lemmy conservatives left onguardforthee now it’s full of pro US posters.
The other four need to wake up.
It is time for a US and Canadian citizenship exchange program. There are plenty of US citizens that would enjoy life in Canada and the racist neo-Nazi Canadians would relish life in a deregulated red run Oblast.
Hey I've got a great idea: Let's transfer pro-democracy folks to the country with a weak global standing and military, and transfer all the fascists to the world's sole superpower, operator of the largest navy, two largest air forces and the largest functional reserve of nuclear weapons on the planet.
Your schools aren't great either, huh?
America lost in Korea, lost in Vietnam, and lost against the Taliban, which at their peak was 100k insurgents.
If you think America has a strong military you need to stop drinking the kool-aid.
Canada is part of NATO and the commonwealth. America has almost no allies anymore and Canada has the most allies of any country.
Canada is more powerful than the USA.
As a Leftist, I could never consider Canada as a viable place to live unless they repealed their repressive laws on firearms. UNDER NO PRETEXT.
Wtf are you talking about? I'm Canadian and I own several rifles and shotguns.
I just bought a 6.5 creedmoor rifle and I own an AR-15.
Keep your bullshit fox news propoganda to yourself.
I assume you are referring to how we dont allow mentally ill people such as yourself from owning firearms. Good. This is why we don't have school shootings
As European leftist: weirdest exchange to read 😅
But your firearms sure help you tremendously rn, while tyrants take over your country. All those upright citizens everywhere who defend liberal democracy with their muskets.
6/10 Americans won't trust America again also.
Came here to say this. The last decade has truly flipped my perception of the rest of america on its head. Well, my perception of conservatives, at least. I always knew that people are people and there's a spectrum of good to bad. I've come to realize that Republicans literally do not care about trying to help anyone else unless they see some sort of personal return of either money or power. I've seen so many people that I thought were "a good, slightly dumb person misguided by politics" fully throw themselves behind Trump. Everything that they say they believe in is apparently a lie, since they so readily line up to worship a person so antithetical to what they pretend to believe. I can not and do not trust anyone that identifies with Republicans or even conservatism at this point.
I don't blame y'all
that's completely fair
for all the terrible things both political parties wrought globally from the end of WWII until a Jan 20, 2017, they were united (more or less) in a commitment to being a rules and laws based main even if it hurt "their side" from time to time.
Even Reagan's "11th Amendment" would be set aside from time to time to preserve America's standing in the world.
Not so any more. And i don't actually know if it's possible to get that reputation back.
Plate carriers and high caliber rifles are also getting sold out everywhere.
Seems four out of ten Canadians aren’t paying attention.
I wonder how many of those already had an opinion of the Americans that was so low it couldn't sink any further?
In my experience about 4 out of 10 people don't know anything about critical thinking; what it is or how to do it.
My parents are in this 4 of 10. They watch Fox News, donate regularly to the Republican party even though they are Canadian, they do not donate to the conservative party of Canada (I dunno), call me every time Carney does something they dislike because I voted Liberal, and still spend a good chunk of their time in Florida where they own property and are proud of it.
Trump has become an unpopular subject as my sister will lose her shit at family gatherings so they no longer mention his name. But are big supporters!
"maple MAGA" like your parents kind of fascinate me. I wonder how deep the mentality goes for these people, and how much is just aesthetics and/or a deeply misguided attempt to escape from the relative boredom of a safe 1st-world country whose democracy is still intact. It demonstrates a stunning lack of awareness though, and it's cute how they don't seem to realize that actual MAGA would likely reject them out of hand for being "foreigners".
That is because we actually can't.
The US has been a shit show since the end of WWII and they've fucked over countless countries and people, mostly for greed. It's laws are mostly setup first for greed, then for humans. Don't trust that place, whatever president comes next will at best only be marginally better than the current shit stain
You figure? You figure people who elect a psychopath who threatens to destroy my country economically before annexing it as the fifty-first state may have lost a lot of trust?
That's just crazy talk!
Thursday’s poll found that 42 per cent of Canadians said they believe Carney will succeed in negotiating a new trade deal with the Trump administration.
Why? I don't want Canada to have a trade deal with the USA. I want Canada to isolate the USA. A trade wall, ideally armed with machine guns and flamethrowers. Let them stew in their own juices while we trade with countries that aren't prone to electing obvious man-toddlers into the highest possible office.
Lol. Canada was one of the only countries that used to trust America. No one wants to play with the bully
We didn't fully trust them.
But it was convenient to deal with them, based on proximity.
Now that they've gone full retard that proximity advantage isn't worth what it once was.
Problem is everyone wants to play with that bully even now. The world wants access to the American market since they are by far the largest and they consume the most.
China my dude. You can hardly make a movie in hollywood these days if it can't appeal to the Chinese on some level.
The Chinese consumer market flirts with being larger than the American one. Per capita they spend less, but there's four times as many of them and this balances out.
I think at the immediate moment the Chinese consumer market is very slightly smaller than the USA, which makes your "by far" kinda comical to read. But in the last five years China and the USA have swapped places a couple of times for largest consumer market and projections to 2030 will have China consistently beating the USA by that point.
So smart money doesn't want to play with the bully. He's falling over.
At the moment, until the current administration tanks the economy and destroys what is left of the middle class.
This is so heartbreaking. I live on the border, frequently visit Ontario and Quebec, even honeymooned in the Maritimes. It's hard to imagine that I may never be able to do that ever again, but here we are.
I recall how bad I felt waking up in November 2024 knowing that awful things were going to happen, but alienating our closest ally was not one of them. Stay safe, Canada, I hope to see you again some time.
First of all, thank you to all the kind replies from Canadians to this. It's one of the reasons I love Canada so much. It's not going to Canada that I worry about, it's going back into the US that gives me pause. You just never know what the border policy might be on any given day.
"I hope to see you again some time." Honestly, I hope so to.
Canadian here close to the border. I used to visit your country somewhat regularly, but I don’t think I’ll ever go down south again. My wife has some extended family in the states and they’ll never visit up here so I guess we just aren’t seeing them ever again. It’s unfortunate but that’s what video calls are for I guess.
As a Canadian, I say come visit still. We’d love to have you as long as you’re respectful and don’t bring pro-Trump speech with you (and given you’re on Lemmy I’m sure you’re the kind of person we’d welcome with open arms up here).
No one is against Americans vacationing in Canada. Many of us chose not to go down because of this stupid economic warfare the administration started. But that’s just business, as they say. It’s about asserting economic independence. Come visit. No worries, buddy.
Seconded. Just make sure your American papers are in order for when you return.
Be, however, on your best behaviour because people are going to have a hair trigger on normal American shitfuckery these days.
Yep. I say this as a resident of the United States and it will take at minimum decades to fix the damage that Trump has caused in just nine months. More likely (assuming the US survives) it will take multiple generations to fix the damage from Trumps second term.
As a Canadian- it isn’t “the damage Trump has caused in 9 months.” It’s the damage the US populace at large has done and allowed to be done for roughly 3-4 decades while literally everyone was telling you to wake the fuck up because this was the trajectory you were on.
In response to the entire world trying to warn you off this path, you closed your eyes, stuck your fingers in your ears, flipped us off, yelled louder and started flying your flags more conspicuously.
Trump is one small part of the gargantuan fuckup YOU allowed to happen. Trump is a symptom. A few entire generations of Americans are the cause.
I know, I know. We've seen the rot spreading since Regan, but it's nearly impossible to get rid of when about half the voting public think it's ordained by god to vote straight republican.
Except when they wanted to travel. Then they traded their conspicuous flags for Canadian ones.
And that's only nine months how long to fix the full term damage.
Only 6 in 10?
Seems like a low number honestly.
I don't even like the idea of flying over the USA to go on vacation to Mexico. We might just save up and go to a hot part of Europe instead, it's just a lot more flying.
So America can be a brutal regime that fucks over the global south and Canadians trust that. They ally that. Canada has been a close ally throughout so much evil.
But now we inflict a little evil on you guys and suddenly you don't trust us? I mean that kinda implies you guys liked us before?
It's like a moral abyss from the north pole to the Mexican border.
Fair enough. We did a lot these last nine months to piss of the rest of the world.
Never trusted em to begin with
Exactly I never got well Z Chinese company has to follow the Chinese government. I was always like and American companies don't have to. And now we have Microsoft spilling the beans saying they have to follow American law even if it goes against whatever country they are in.
I can't believe we and other countries have ever trusted critical stuff to a foreign country.
2 of them are lying, because they do not have the money to go down there anyways. 1 of them has to go down for work and the other is Danielle Smith.
I don't blame the Canadians.
I don't either, it's totally rational response. I feel sorry for Canadians too because they are powerless, and also because I unironically, sincerely, not-trying-to-be-an-edgelord believe that they will become a property of the US in the future.
The USA will regret that choice if they do it.
Keep in mind here that the Geneva ChecklistConventions were created in part because of how CANADIANS behaved in WWI. See, all y'all have a serious problem if you bring Canada into your fold by hook and crook. Unlike the usual places all y'all go adventuring in to shoot or bomb brown people, most Canadians look like you. Talk like you. Can easily pass for you. We also have huge unsettled space in which to conceal ourselves while training, kind of like how the Taliban had no trouble finding safe-ish places to train in Afghanistan until they finally drove all y'all out.
So consider how hard it would be to defend yourselves from a Canadian version of the Taliban. We already have a history of being utterly ruthless on the battlefield, and that's when none of the combatants were actually a direct threat to our nation and nor were they occupying our nation. You think our forces will be better-behaved if you annex us...?
There won't be a safe place in the USA where Canadians couldn't strike.
The other four trust them exactly as much as we trusted them before, which is zero.
This is pretty much how it was between us and Croatia. I think it's actually improved between the peoples, while the governments...they are always xenophobic, aren't they?
I don't think "xenophobic" at all describes the Canadian government's attitude to the USA right now. If anything, they're being too kind.
“They’re looking for Canada to create something that protects our own sovereignty within a North American context and make sure that we’re able to survive on this part of the continent that we live on as an independent country.”
Unfortunately it's not clear our federal and provincial governments share these goals.
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As an American, same.