Woman sentenced to nearly 22 years in prison for trying to mail Trump ricin

Honestly, good.

You think trump's fans are being bad now, bad back then. Just think of what would've happened if they got to Matyr him.

If he's to die, it should be rotting in prison for the crimes he's committed.

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If he dies of a heart attack or something before trial, his supporters will insufferably claim nothing was ever proven and will act like he’s some sort of conservative JFK and demand airports be named after him.

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- Or they might deny his death outright and vote for him anyway
  
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- Or claim that he was poisoned by the deep state.
  
  ETA: Fuck this lady. She makes everyone who isn't a MAGA shithead look bad. I want her locked up.
  
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- Why do we name airports in honor of people? Airports suck. We should name airports after bad people as punishment. "Yeah, it's a great house but it's in the flight path of Andy Dick International Airport." "They lost my luggage at Cosby Field." "I had a 6 hour layover at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport."
  
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If he died, there would’ve been a few shootings here and there but the movement would’ve died out rather quickly.

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- Basically business as normal then.
  
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People say this a lot but honestly I don't think he'd become a martyr if he died. I don't condone assassination attempts obviously, but the key to a proper martyrdom is the people supporting you have to actually believe in what you stand for, and have to be loyal and dedicated. People who root for Trump don't actually care about him or his policies, they just swallowed a bunch of propaganda, and are rooting more against the team they don't like. We've already seen how quickly people drop Trump when he's not their golden goose anymore. If he died, there'd be no point in following him if he isn't spouting off buzzwords and dogwhistles constantly anymore. They'd just move on to the next guy who doesn't like immigration or the gays. I mean, it's not like anyone calls Hitler a martyr, or any other authoritarian dictators that have died in the past. A martyr has to be someone who inspires people beyond their death, and brings attention to a particular issue. Trump doesn't inspire anyone, he's just a convenient figurehead to rally behind.

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- Very astute.
  
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Nah, they're gonna be maximally awful no matter what.

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Good. This woman could have sickened not only her target, but anyone who came in contact with what she sent. While I share her politics, hate makes monsters of us all, and she crossed the line. While I don't think the "there are good people on both sides" argument holds much water, actions like hers remind me that there are definitely bad people on both sides.

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Good men have to do bad things to make the world a better place.

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- Every time I come upon that dynamic in real life, it's always turned out to be the wrong decision. The ends may justify the means, but the means defines the ends.
  
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- No, absolutely fucking no. The ends do not and cannot justify the means.
  
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- Killing a bunch of staffers with ricin in an envelope that would never have gotten to Trump is not making the world a better place.
  
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- Funny, that's exactly what they say
  
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- Who watches the watchmen?
  
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- Doing bad things to make the world a better place is an oxymoronic sentence.
  
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There definitely is good people, you might not have met them, you are extremely disposed to not meet them and that is OK, hang around with people you want to, learned that myself not too long ago. You may have likely talked or interacted friendly with a (former) supporter.

I myself am not much invested, people's hate of trump is weird given he ultimately did not even do much, like most presidents, but for me it is just stuff that can be felt outside US I dunno did california implode or did he personally appoint and send the floyd cop out or something. US for sure does not have a big beautiful mexico wall.

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- ... he ultimately did not even do much ...
  
  He did a lot of things. Bad things.
  
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- To be fair, I don't actually believe there are good and bad people (we're all a mix), and I agree with you that there are people who do good who are Trumpers (I'm a small town boy, so I grew up with a lot of them).
  
  From a personal standpoint, the effect Trump had on California was significant and frightening, especially as a member of a mixed race family. It was real fun having to explain to my teenager why we were being followed by a Trump convoy on the freeway screaming the N word out the window. It fucking terrified both of us, as this had happened right after the bus got run off the road in Texas, and these guys clearly thought Trump had given the go ahead to go Mad Max on the libs.
  
  From an economic standpoint, his immigration policies did real harm - my friends in the wine business had to leave grapes rotting on the vine because they were suddenly short workers (similar to what Florida is experiencing now). 70% + of international business on the west coast is with China, and he started a trade war that benefited no one, which really pissed off my techbro colleagues in e-commerce. The reason your taxes and mine went up this year is because of the package he passed while President, while permanently cutting taxes for the ultra-wealthy.
  
  On top of that, the evil bastard put over 500,000 kids behind bars - many of whom are the extended family of my neighbors and co-workers, just trying to escape the cartel violence in Mexico.
  
  So yes, there was a significant negative effect on California when Trump was elected. And while I can accept that people who support him are capable of good things, their support of him is definitely not one of them, and more than worthy of derision. Not murderous hate, however.
  
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- people’s hate of trump is weird given he ultimately did not even do much
  
  Here's the thing, at the start of his presidency even i was like "In reality he can't do as much as President as people think he can"
  
  Then the insurrection and stolen documents happened. You really should've given up this stance by now if you ever truly believed in it.
  
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- Bro, I'm sorry, but if you don't think Trump did much then you might be fucking blind and deaf. He incited a fucking insurrection dude, he's currently in court for multiple indictments.
  
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She deserves it, what a maroon!

Imagine thinking Donald Trump opens and reads his own mail! He has people who Cat-in-the-Hat those hard words for him.

Idiocy like that is too dangerous to be on the streets.

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Yeah seriously. I straight up think Trump deserves the death penalty, but doing this is psychopathy, nothing more. It will only kill some random mail handling clerk trying to scrape enough to feed their family, not anyone remotely involved with the fascism you claim to be against.

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Particularly relevant username.

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Good lookin' out!

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- It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.
  
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I always wondered why we don't hear about assassination attempts more often. I bet the secret service et. al. have their work cut out for them on that front.

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If it was a successful attempt by agent 47 the headline would be like “antique lavish chandelier falls upon Trump in freak accident at fundraising event in Mar-A-Lago. No foul play suspected, say police”

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- If it's in russia, the headline would read "[Name] fell from window and is yet another random victim in the string of freak window-related fall deaths."
  
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- If I'm playing it's more like "String of Bizarre Accidents Leave 16 Dead at Mar-A-Lago, Including President"
  
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Good. I despise Trump, and look forward to seeing him and all of his crooked cronies behind bars. However, nobody has any right to threaten or attempt to harm anyone. This imbecile deserves the full weight of the law just like all of these morons threatening the judges and prosecutors overseeing Trump's now numerous indictments.

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Notice the difference here folks.

Someone tries to attack a Republican politician and they throw the book at her (and rightfully so, that's not how you should handle these things).

What happens when Republicans are the criminals and attack the capitol? They get a slap on the wrists. These J6 traitors should be facing 10 or 20 years in prison like the twat in the story, but of course Democrats are too cowardly to ever set some severe punishments.

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The legislative branch makes laws, the judicial branch applies them. Hope this clears things up.

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- You have Democrats and Republicans at all branches of government. I hope that clears things up for you.
  
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Observe as absolutely no democrats leap to her defense because they're plenty of things but not terrorists.

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It's always crazy to me that someone would risk so many people like that - poison doesn't care who it kills, and anyone from postal workers to mail sorters to trump's secretary could have gotten seriously injured or killed. Just crazy irresponsible and dangerous.

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Wow, it seems smart to figure out how to make ricin but dumb to mail it to a sitting president.

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Now that I think about it for a second, maybe it's not that hard to make? I guess I've never bothered to look because I kinda don't want to make or have ricin? Crazy, I know.

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- I'd google it but, don't really want that in my search history.
  
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- Ricin comes from castor beans as a byproduct of processing the beans. So it's not hard to get a hold of, anyone can make it. But it's not very subtle since it has a reputation. It's not likely to sneak in under the radar when it comes to a potus, since they'd undoubtedly have preventative measures in place. Someone tried to send Obama ricin in the mail as well in the past, so they've certainly dealt with it before.
  
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This has to be the dumbest way to try to assassinate someone. You know what I do with mail from an unaddressed letter? Or any mail for that matter? I chuck it in the trash. Nobody writes me a fucking letter it’s 2023.

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If she made the sender out to be Kim Jong Il, Trump would've probably licked the letter.

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What a shame.

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Don't do that. Just don't. If someone kills him now, we will never see him rot in prison!

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Worse; if somebody kills him it'll make him a martyr. He's already looked at as an evil Jesus by these lunatics - there's no need to encourage the legitimatization of their insane Cult.

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