Tyranny

the right wing ethos that boils my blood the quickest is when people drool out shit like 'play stupid games win stupid prizes' under a story about some guy getting brutally beaten by police for being at a protest or stealing a dvd

A right to remain silent. A right to a competent attorney regardless of ability to pay. A right to due process. A right to a timely trial by a jury of peers. A right to healthy food, shelter, healthcare, and other accommodations while incarcerated. I'm probably missing a few.

Absolutely. The right say they're pro-freedom but they'll strip you of the right to vote if you smoke weed.

That's a very good way of putting it. Reminds me of the developments in Russia.

Countries that are known for corruption often have massive bureaucracies that are full of little seemingly inconsequential laws that most people can safely ignore all the time. The result is that nearly everybody's breaking some rule just to function with some level of efficiency in society. In fact if you wanted to follow every rule it would break you.

The result is that whenever a vengeful government official wants to bring someone down all they have to do is investigate for a few minutes and figure out which is the most recent rule that was broken and poof that person's a criminal.

And free speech. Don't forget that.

If you don't support the free speech rights of the people you hate the most, then you're against free speech.

Being against free speech is tyrannical. Also...Can you point to any time in history where the people censoring controversial things were the good guys in the ensuing conflict?

There are definitely additional levels of tyranny.

Give everyone the right to have rights.

That's what a criminal would say

/s just in case.

Better get on it fast. They did that shit to me despite the law and nobody involved in any step of the process helped. They have no oversight.

Very true.

Western legal systems are based not on jailing criminals but on keeping the innocent out of jail. This does result in more criminals roaming free but I'll take that a hundred times over the alternative

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-police-nice-suspects/story?id=48914504

But the long arm of the law can't possibly be tyrannical! 🦖

Doing the Elon Musk "Well if you argue with me then you must be a pedophile" to justify locking up half of Twitter.

He's not wrong.

If you want to rehabilitate prisoners, you need to reintegrate them into society, which means they need to have their civil rights back. Otherwise, why did we bother fighting a war over slavery?

there's this bread company i love that's really loud about actively seeking out ex-convicts for employees and it makes me so happy to see, genuinely

I'm looking at you, 13th amendment.

Well yeah but all democracies have this enshrined in their laws one way or another. So it's not like something people don't already know.

13th amendment.

Hm? Oh - no reason.

Second is, make the government organization be bottom-up, democracy or not.

I agree but it's important to differentiate between accused criminals and convicted criminals, and what specific diminution of rights we're talking about. Obviously jury-convicted violent criminals probably will suffer a harsher restriction on their rights than someone accused but not yet convicted of a minor misdemeanor. There will probably be a spectrum of restrictions on rights.

Are there people calling for all rights to be suspended upon indictment? Maybe on the fringes.

Victims have rights too. People have a right to not be victimized by criminals.

Yes, criminals should have rights. But those rights aren't all necessarily the same as those of non-criminal citizens. And when the rights of victims are trampled on in the guise of protecting criminal rights, there's a problem.

The LEFT IS ABUSING THIS. in south America gangs are let in control of jails!

Yeah sorry abusers should not be allowed to own guns.

I disagree with the conclusion. This makes a better case for separation of power so the person in charge can't look up the opposition

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Downvote.

What is your plan to manage crime without limiting the rights of criminals?