‘I’m proud of being a job hopper’: Seattle engineer’s post about company loyalty goes viral

Most people over-index on maximizing compensation or holding on to stability. But there’s more to work than money and stability. Work is about growth, building connections, working on things you care about, being challenged and creating a legacy.

Fucking legacy? Is this a joke? Who gives a shit about what shitty products they launch for FAANG companies? I certainly don't - not beyond keeping my resume and portfolio up to date.

Compensation and stability are the only things that matter beyond basic working conditions and a non-toxic environment.

Ain't nobody giving increases like new bosses.

You want loyalty? That's what pensions were for. Fuck your 401k, I can invest myself, thanks.

You want loyalty? Give better increases.

Companies get mad when the employees look at their jobs the way execs look at their employees. Cue outrage. The only reason they mad is because they own the newspapers, too.

The audacity of these removed. I have a mercenary outlook on work too. If you love me, keep paying me good.

I'm not loyal to anybody, I'm a demon / I have no loyalty for anyone, never did, never will

"Having hired over 500 engineers personally in my career, if your resume came across my list, I would definitely pass."

Heh. A job seeker with three FANG companies on their resume does not give a shit if this random person would bin their resume.

Also, I'm trying to imagine a scenario where having needed to hire 500 people, personally, in a single career isn't embarrassing.

Edit: "You think you suck at retention? Let me tell you how my year went!"

Companies are forcing return to office policies as a covert way of doing layoffs without compensation, if they're not kicking people out with the thousands and are shocked to discover workers are now not particularly loyal to employers.

They also hate it when employees use the exact same economic reasoning as they do to maximize revenue and take opportunities.

Companies: "You are nothing but a cog in a machine. You will be placed in the machine if and only if you help the machine generate maximum profit. If your presence ever causes the machine to generate less than maximum profit you will be summarily discarded."

Employees: "Okay, so you try to get the maximum profit for you and I try to get the maximum profit for me."

Companies: surprisePikachu.jpg

I've averaged ~12 job hops in the last 6 years and I wouldn't change a thing. Compensation growth has been roughly 6.05x. The previous 6 years was...maybe 3? And maybe 2x.

I owe the big corps nothing. I meet expectations and deliverables and I support my team however I can, but that's about it.

He also noted higher pay and easier promotions. “I had a 20% pay bump moving from Amazon to Microsoft for the same role and job responsibilities,” Nguyen wrote.

So been working as a software engineer for twenty years now and seen the steady decline of workers. Started out as the last straggler for a pension, rapid decline of insurance, crap ass 401ks, the lack of employee investment and the chacing of the median salary.

I tell every new hire to spend a year here, get your experience, then look for another job, come back a few months later if you really like the work.

I mean honestly, fuck these corporations, they don't care or have loyalty to their employees and you can be screwed with a 401k anywhere so get you pay bump and fuck their expectations of loyalty.

Nguyen previously wrote a guest post in Business Insider that detailed his post-graduation move from New York City to Seattle for a tech job and how it “turned out to be the loneliest time of my life.”

Sounds like The Seattle Freeze.

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Anyway. Yeah, if I'm looking at a candidate and see they had three jobs in three years, that's a minus. Are they insufferable and they're being fired? Are they actually bad at their job? Even if they are good at their job, are they going to stick around here long enough to be worth the resources spent onboarding them?

It's a risky move.

Would be better if employers made more effort to retain people, but here we are.

I think jumping after 1 year is a bit extreme, but after 3 years (my target was 2) I landed a new job I start soon! 47% salary increase plus better benefits and more time off - there's no way my current employer could ever match that!

How is this even considered an article? The title is half the length of the article.

there absolutely is no loyalty from an organisation.

This is why I jump ship without any further thought or feeling of remorse. They would throw you out on your butt without a second's hesitation whenever they feel like it.

This is something that is still better in Germany. Companies are forced to have somewhat of an employee loyalty and some corporation go well above what the law forces them to (like VW). The way things are going lately, it feels like this won't be like this forever. But atm it's still one of the good things about Germany.

I’d go out of my way not to hire someone who has worked for shit companies like FAANG/MAANA.

If you hop jobs, I'm not hiring you*. Yes I make those decisions. No I do not expect you to stay forever, but 1yr at a time I can barely get productivity out of you. Some of these people do 6 months. To everyone that knows, all that looks like is grifting your probationary period. Get hired, assigned tasks, fail spectacularly, get booted out or leave before they find out you're incompetent.

*Except one guy. He was a brilliant weirdo that job hopped because no other company would bend their policies to fit weirdo's requirements about work and life. He was exceptionally brilliant, like dozens of patents under his name, and literally invented novel ways of doing things. He got a try. His weirdness evolved into even weirder, we let him do his thing and whatever because again, absolutely brilliant. And he's still there and happy enough.