Uvalde parents lash out after new report clears city police of wrongdoing during 2022 school attack
Uvalde parents lash out after new report clears city police of wrongdoing during 2022 school attack
An investigation Uvalde city leaders ordered into the Robb Elementary School shooting has cleared local police officers of wrongdoing, but still acknowledged a series of failures during the response.
UVALDE, Texas (AP) — An investigation Uvalde city leaders ordered into the Robb Elementary School shooting cleared local police officers of wrongdoing Thursday, despite acknowledging a series of rippling failures during the fumbled response to the 2022 classroom attack that left 19 children and two teachers dead.
Several family members of victims walked out in anger midway though a presentation that portrayed Uvalde Police Department officers of acting swiftly and appropriately, in contrast to scathing and sweeping past reports that faulted police at every level.
“You said they did it in good faith. You call that good faith? They stood there 77 minutes,” said Kimberly Mata-Rubio, whose daughter was among those killed in the attack, after the presentation ended.
Another person in the crowd screamed, “Cowards!”
Jesse Prado, an Austin-based investigator and former police detective who made the report for the Uvalde City Council on Thursday, described several failures by responding local, state and federal officers at the scene that day: communication problems, poor training for live shooter situations, lack of available equipment and delays on breaching the classroom.
“There were problems all day long with communication and lack of it. The officers had no way of knowing what was being planned, what was being said,” Prado said. “If they would have had a ballistic shield, it would have been enough to get them to the door.”
Did anybody honestly think they were gonna do something to them? There was a whole reason while there were marches for police accountability, BLM, and racism during covid.
Nothing changed.
ACAB
169Nothing changed.
Not true!
A bipartisan bill was passed to increase Federal police budgets by something like $40 billion.
Nevermind all that police protest, we just need to give cops more money, I guess, and that will solve everything. /s
86Didn't you read their quote? They didn't go in not because they were cowards who shirked their duty, it was because they didn't have a bulletproof shield
Clearly we just need to keep arming the police until the protection trickles down
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if they just had a ballistic shield they could have made it to the door
The state trooper that finally shot the fucker literally ran in with a shot gun. Fucking cowards.
137... This ghoul seriously forced in a talking point asking for more equipment? To grieving parents who watched their kids die while the police were derelict in their duty? 50% of the city budget isn’t enough huh?
The report for the Uvalde city council… was conducted by Jesse Prado, an Austin-based investigator and former police detective.
Ah. “We’ve investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing” despite the feds openly stating the opposite
60Next time just say the shooter is a black man and watch them go.
45Yup, once a team decides not to go in, they won't go. There will always be another goalpost to move. If they had the shield, they would be waiting for one more guy, or a specialized unit or a robot to go in.
17After driving in from an hour away. Or more.
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I dunno. If only people had voted in a change of leadership after a failure of leadership or something.
73Yeah, unfortunately they got the government they voted for, and decided that nothing was good enough.
23"We have tried nothing, and it's not working!"
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Emotions haven't yet cooled. These folks 's gratitude for the events of November 2022 will increase as the years go by, and they witness the life trajectories of the kids who DID survive. Talking here watching those tykes who weren't gunned down grow up to be 6th grade meth heads who rack up multiple felonies before their eighteententh birthday. Or making it to community college, only to get knocked up by some loser who's already sired 15 other kids by that same amount of women, drop out of CC, then end up unable to support themselves or their child
In the not too distant future, those are grumbling in that article will be saying to themselves: "Well, shit... We ultimately dodged a bullet, even if Bobby and Suzy sure as hell didn't, back in The 2020s"
-47Emotions have cooled as much as they ever will, or should. Do you think parents will forget about children who died while the cops stood around and prevented the parents from going in to save them? They never will.
And parents whose kids survived, you're wrong about them. They'll never think "Thank god it was my neighbor's kid who died, not mine." That's not how decent humans think.
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It was the republican primary for the election. He didn't get reelected.
65They voted for that wheelchair guy though, so whoever wins the Republican primary wins the seat.
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"The officers didn't actually shoot any of the children themselves, so therefor they did nothing wrong."
53At this point, I'm starting to think that the officers delaying so long might have actually prevented more children and bystanders from getting killed ... if they had gone in earlier with guns blazing at everything that moved, they probably would have killed a lot of innocent bystanders before realizing who they were actually supposed to shoot in the first place.
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Fuck the police.
46Comin' straight from the underground.
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Since the last yellow drop of piss leaked out of the cowards who were at that school that day the city was always going to find that every single law enforcement officer onsite at the Uvalde massacre acted appropriately.
They are facing massive lawsuits and they will do nothing to give the opposing litigants any ammunition to use against them in court.
45CYA, the American Way.
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So they've (officially) done nothing wrong? Does that imply that it's not wrong to laze about while a shooter—who they obviously knew about—works unimpeded to hollow out classrooms with a fucking carbine?
37Legally I think that's exactly what that implies. Cops are under no obligation to defend anyone. They are law enforcement officers, not protection for civilians.
ACAB. Their job is to keep us in line, not protect us.
46Their job is to keep us in line, not protect us.
Always has been.
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Is this the same Uvalde who just re-elected this dude?
https://people.com/politics/uvalde-texas-voted-for-governor-greg-abbott/
And this dude?
https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-mayor-election-2023-2262b2eb3596942caa78ad71316af38e
And these two?
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/05/uvalde-sheriff-constable-primary/
37It was a primary. He didn't get reelected.
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"Missteps" implies that the police did things.
They failed to act and instead they let children get murdered. I know the SC said that cops don't have to protect you whatsoever, but this is beyond the pale. You have a duty to the American people given that they pay your salary, you fat fucking worthless pitiful excuses for law "enforcement".
34The precedent is that an individual officer has no duty to protect any given individual on the basis that the collective police have a responsibility to the public as a whole that outweighs an individual. That argument doesn’t work when the entire department stood by and actively prevented any action against the shooter.
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Didn't they just overwhelmingly reelect the sheriff that was part of that fiasco?
33It was just the primary. He won't be reelected for another few months.
17Ahh, I see that now.
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Say it with me folks: ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS Dont forget it
30I always saw them more as cunts, personally, but I suppose they can be more than one thing.
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Where was this outrage when it came to voting against the same sheriff? Or voting for Abbott?
26well in the case ofa sheriff he might have run unopposed
4I feel like this is a problem. Is this a problem? This guy thinks so.
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The investigator who presented the report blamed families who rushed to the school that day for compromising the police response, prompting an eruption of anger from several families and some stormed out.
Classy, investigator-who-prepared-the-report. What are you, some dumbass cop?
Jesse Prado, an Austin-based investigator and former police detective who made the report for the Uvalde City Council,
Oh. Yeah. Well.
Yeah.
22Those poor kids yearned for books, then received only magazines
14damn..
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Of course a former police detective would find the police did nothing wrong.
14https://radiolab.org/podcast/no-special-duty
A fantastic episode that basically covers their asses. The police, according to the law, have no special duty/requirement to protect someone who is being attacked.
12So every time you see police protecting nazi protesters, remember: they chose to protect those nazis. Just like they chose to let kids bleed out in Uvalde.
23Nononooo…
They’re not defending Nazis. They’re defending other cops. Who happen to be Nazis.
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"We did nothing wrong! We did NOTHING AT ALL!"
8If that collection of utter blunders and incompetence wasn't wrongdoing then what could possibly constitute wrongdoing.
6They didn't do a bad job. The problem is that they were a bunch of fucking pussies!
3This isn't a story. They investigated themselves and found nothing. OK. LIGAF why the yokels have to say.
The real story is that the DOJ dropped the hammer on their conduct.
2You, personally, are part of the reason this will never go away. The DOJ says 'hey they were bad you guys :(' and then people like you come along and act like justice has been served.
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american law american order in action
1Demand privatization. Stop paying taxes and elect leaders (hell, these parents should run for office themselves) willing to make the hard choices. The cops have had every chance and unlimited budgets to protect the people. They chose to be lazy and scared pussies, instead. Ain't no time for that!
-10I don't think privatization works out as well as you think it does.
First off, most privatized agencies, all the cops just apply for and now work for a corporate douchelord. They get paid even less than they were before, get even worse training, and even more protection. sure they loose the qualified immunity- maybe- but they get the benefit of corporate-level legal aid.
Secondly, you now have a private, for profit company running law enforcement. conflicts of interest will happen. and chances are solid, they would be the same companies as running prisons, which means officers have every reason to make more arrests than cops already do.
6It's not a "think." I saw it work. Check out Camden, NJ. Formally, the murder capital of the world. They privatized the police force and {surprise, surprise} murder dropped significantly.
I understand this topic is unpopular with Lemmings - hell, I don't like the idea of busting unions - but, in the case of the police, I have seen it work well.
P.S. I welcome the downvotes from people who have no clue what they're talking about.
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