SHOCK POLL: AOC a Close Second Place Behind Kamala Harris in 2028 Democratic Primary
Ocasio-Cortez, finished a close second behind only former Vice President Kamala Harris in one recent poll measuring how Democrats feel about 2028.
Ok look I voted for Kamala but if a candidate fails can we please run someone one else? You don't run the same person over again because the same people who felt like she was forced down their throats are still going feel like she's being forced down their throats.
And the same bs that was used against her will be used again. But people eat yhay shit up which is why it works.
And her tactics of bring out appealing to Republicans again is probably whay she'll do again and that's going to lose more dem voters.
The corporate Dems need to go away.
Wait why is Harris even running again? I don't think she's that bad but I can't vote in US elections - the electorate rejected her.
Bold of them to assume there is going to be an election 2028
AOC would receive my vote.
The fact that Kamala is even going to try to run again shows how fucked that party is.
The fact that's she's leading in the polls is fucking crazy
I know it's fucking ridiculous. She didn't get people to the polls last time against Trump... if she can't get people to vote against him she can't get people to vote at all.
Says everything.
A PROSECUTOR IS OUR LIBERAL SAVIOR?!?!?!?!
To be fair to Kamala, she hasn't announced that she's running in 2028. Neither has AOC for that matter. This is just some pollster polling against some names that people might have heard of.
I read the headline and couldn't believe it
Welcome to American politics, when the 2028 election begins in 2024 and the 2028 primary began in 2020.
I'm so tired.
Second place to Harris??? Holy fuck we deserve our fate.
Edit: upon reading the article (I know...) AOC has the best net favorability. So a little more hopium there.
The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone. You're way more up to speed on the options than the average American voter. We need to put energy into getting people like AOC in front of as many disengaged and unaware people as possible. NOT complain and whine that everything isn't handed to us on a platter.
She's in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there's nothing we can do.
We are closer than we've ever been in my lifetime.
The fact that Harris is considered as an option indicates your statement is correct.
I jumped the gun, its still bad but AOC has the best net favorability out of them all. Harris has the most support by sheer name recognition. Its bad that people don't know who AOC is though.
This poll is pretty pointless, as far as actually getting to know who people specifically want. The top runner this far out is pretty much always the last person to have run, because the political climate hadn't changed that much and nobody has campaigned for the next nomination yet.
The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn't.
I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.
Obviously she's not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn't deserve pity.
If I were her, I would have had a plan B knowing what the right wingers were up to, and it should have looked a lot like what Bernie and AOC are doing. Instead she showed up then fucked off to somewhere else after hanging out with Dick Cheney for a few months.
Exactly why she's not a leader. A leader understand that you don't have time to lick you wounds when the enemy is at your door. She should be fighting harder now, not sulking.
Drained and devastated but willing to lose again? Spray this turd down the drain of your empathy and out of a leadership roll.
You feel sorry for that god awful campaign?
So she should be all recovered by '28 then? /s
They cheated, and we ALL know it. If she's upset about anything, it's that she was cheated out of her historic legacy, and the spineless Democratic party backed HitlerPig over her.
If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she's selling.
Is she even considering running at all?
Like when she was up there giving her chatgpt, "make me sound inspirational" concession speech rather than just being mad as hell like the rest of us. She's plays leader but she will sit in the manager cubical while the rest of us eat the company provided cold turkey in the break room the day before Thanksgiving.
Completely agree. It would have demonstrated that she would have been a good president and it would have sealed the deal for her (if there are legit elections). She didn’t step up. AOC did. Says a lot about each of them.
I can't imagine thinking about "serving people" when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiots that frankly deserve getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?
Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn't vote, you signed off on our current reality.
But you're not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they're all conversations for a better time; done and done.
Nope. I voted 3rd party because I didn't want Trump, and I also didn't want Harris. Maybe if Harris had tried campaining on what Americans wanted, rather than trying to win over people who were obviously not going to vote for her, we wouldn't be here.
But she chose genocide, money, and the Cheneys over winning an election against one of the least popular presidents we've ever had.
Jfc here we fuckin go again. Lemme guess DNC, this will totally be an open primary right? Anyone can win?
They're going to fuck us again. They thrive on failure. Weaponized ineptitude.
I'm shocked that Harris is in first place...
I used to be shocked Biden was #1 in 2019. Turns out, name recognition matters more than anything else, and Harris had a historic campaign budget. (Not that it was used well, but AOC has never had that level of PR)
I'm not,
I'm genuinely skeptical that most polls are an accurate sampling of the population. Most people I know would never sit through a phone poll. Most polls reek of phishing. One of the very first phone polls said that Dewy would beat Truman in a landslide. It was completely wrong because it was predominantly rich people who had the phones to even answer the polls.
Who has the time for polls? Who drops by the candidate booths at the state fair? It's a type for sure.
The only poll I have been a part of all last year was a phone poll entirely about optometrists and eye appointments and how they should be handled in the healthcare system. I couldn't even finish it because the entire things was just... painful to go through.
Current DNC leadership might push Hillary for 2028
Insert I’m tired boss meme here.
Not a chance. They'll go for Biden.
I'm not. Most people are very passive politically and only know what the evening nees mentions. Most of them probably don't know who AOC is (or perhaps only knows her by 'AOC' and the forms used her full name).
Harris is their default poll vote because they recognise her name
It's a meaningless poll that reflects name recognition and little else.
Only a shock to folks who still think Democrat centerists are what's gonna win the votes
I read it as "it's a shock that she came in second" lol
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I'm leery about running another woman right now. Neither Hillary nor Kamala could win against Trump.
That said, I can't think of anyone I'd be happier to vote for. I dream of her being President. I don't know if swing states will have it, but I would fight to make it so.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. There's no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don't see it as a big deal.
Also, lots of open racists voted for Obama. If you look at the polling and the interviews, it was much more about running conservative Democrats trying to get the votes of people who wanted to shake things up. That's what Obama promised, that's why Sanders would've won, by some measures, and it seems AOC is out there generating the same buzz.
Hillary and Kamala were awful candidates - they wouldn't have won if they were men or if it were the first coming of Christ. (I'm skeptical he ever arrived at all). The DNC is the blame for their failure. Hillary was out of touch. Kamala had too many issues to list.
All that aside, they would have presidented circles around Trump.
Maybe because Hillary and Kamala were terrible candidates? Are you kidding me?
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now.
...that we're talking about a progressive woman.
Exactly zero people who voted for trump last election will vote for a non-white woman.
Country is fucked.
I'm a huge AOC supporter, but she should wait a 2 or 3 cycles (if there are any cycles anymore). I'd rather see her take Schumer's senate seat, and serve there for a term or two first, and succeed Bernie as the Senate's progressive leader.
A Democratic centrist literally polled at #1. It's in the headline.
Needs a little Asterisk* next to centrist and a footnote
*still way further left than any Republican
AOC is a progressive. Harris was too, prior to her role as VP.
The democratic party is cooked if it runs Kamala again. There is no way Kamala is running this high in the polls.
There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC. She's expressed ideas like getting rid of the filibuster, which would be great while "your" party is in charge, but is one of the very few checks available for a minority party to halt truly controversial legislation. The extra steps are kind of dumb, but the foundational idea that legislation should at least require a 60/40 majority most of the time enforces an idea of compromise and representation in almost every bill.
I would shudder to think what a bad president could put through if unchecked by the opposition party in an essentially 50/50 politically divided populace.
The filibuster is also a tool the democratic party isn't using. No point in keeping something that only helps one side.
Why is Harris even mentioned? She should disappear like Hillary.
Nobody wants this person to run again.
Anyone doing a poll would be negligent not to include the previous nominee and former vice president. That's not to imply she's a good choice, only that she's an obvious choice.
Good point 👍
Anecdotally, my sister does. I was baffled when she said it and had to try my best to respond politely, because she's the only other person in my family who isn't a Republican.
From my perspective, she bombed out of 2020 despite being a media darling cast as the frontrunner, and then was just handed the nomination in 2024 without a real primary and still lost, both of which demonstrate she has terrible political instincts and isn't popular enough to win. From her perspective, the fact that she dropped out in 2020 before any votes were casts means she was never given a fair chance, and the fact that she was handed the nomination meant she didn't have enough time to make her case and the unusual circumstances are what caused her to lose, and if she just had another chance she'd nail it.
I'm pretty sure she's an outlier though and most people are just saying Kamala because of name recognition.
Your sister is pointing at every tree while missing the forest.
I'm fine with her running in a Primary.
Harris polls in 1st place
Lemmy Leftists: "no one wants Harris!"
Y'all are in a bubble.
Harvard poll: 72% of Dem voters prefer more left-leaning candidates like Sanders and AOC over moderates like Harris.
Lemmy Leftists: Yes.
Cryophilia: Y'all are in a bubble.
Why on earth would you run kamala again? The democrats can't afford to learn anymore lessons. School is out. Time to start producing.
Why on earth would you run kamala again?
democrats would nominate trump if the alternative was a progressive.
Because they still believe "put in your time and wait your turn" is how the world works
They're never going to learn. It's time to tea party them, by 2028 we need a strong enough progressive faction to force them to cooperate or be replaced
Why on earth would you run kamala again?
Because you thought watching her faceplant in 2020 was hilarious and you want a repeat.
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can't afford to learn anymore lessons.
Lol!!! They can afford the whole school!! They are laughing hand in hand with Republicans all the way to the bank!!
"BUT THEY ARE BETTER THO!"
Objectively, they are better.
Fake news right? To call this SHOCK gotta be better not the same.
If only your drmocrat handlers let you vote for who you want and not for who they choose.
Running Harris was a mistake in 2024 and it would be a mistake if it happens in 2028
Wasn't Harris their only option since Biden took so long to drop out?
She was the only one that could legally access campaign funds since there was no time for a primary.
It was either going to be him or her and both options were far from ideal.
Not quite, the DNC was still ahead. But democrats didn't want the optics of a last-minute open primary where the candidates rip into each other trying to get the nomination on live TV. Plus Kamala herself seemed to move quickly and wanted the nomination before anyone had a chance to get a word in.
There was time for a primary, but the DNC wanted to be sure and clamp down on any possible dissent. They wanted to make it clear that they get to pick the candidates, and the voters have to deal with it.
Which is a stupid argument if the presidency comes with pardon powers.
Is this wise? As an outside observer I had the impression that Harris lost in part because of systematic, subtle and overt racism and sexism. All this applies to AOC, too. Do the Democrats want to lose? Don't they have some sort of JFK look-alike, people actually want to vote? It's not as if appearance wasn't way more important in the US than things like the actual political agenda.
You guys still think there will be free elections in 2028?
Oh, I expect you'll get the opportunity to fill out little bubbles on a piece of paper. The way they control people is through controlling information. The only way it usually fails is if people are starving or if some bad info leaks out. Keep em fat and happy and they keep voting. And pay attention to how the government treats whistleblowers.
In the rare case voters get mad about something and switch to vote for the other side, the elite still win. Oligarchs fund both parties.
Yes. I do expect that. Your pansy lay down and die attitude might allow Trump to have a third term though.
No deets on methodology. “Of Democrats”. How many? Where? Registered Dems? Likely voters? 2024 voters?
It matters greatly. In the primaries, Obama was invisible to pollsters that were only looking at prior Dem voters. His support came mostly from first-timers and independents.
Fucking morons never learn.
Oh they learn, the wrong lessons.
Hillary 2028!!
Democrats will do it if she vows to move right.
Don't even joke about that. We need fresh blood, fresh ideas, and separation from the old regime.
It's Her Turn.™
What shock? AOC is the only one in that party with clear positioning
It's why suddenly the "How DARE Sanders allegedly say that Warren might have a hard time because she's a woman" wing of the party is now like "Women can't win" as soon as a progressive woman is seizing the moment.
wOmEn ArE uNeLeCtAbLe
the party that has only tried running GOP-lite corpo women
Anything a progressive says is evil and must be deplatformed. Anything a Republican thinks must be platformed and normalized.
I hope we actually get a 2028 election
Such an underrated comment fr.
I doubt we'll even have the 2026 midterms. HitlerPig can't afford to lose his majority in either chamber, or Dems will have control of investogative committees with subpoena and arrest powers. So he'll engineer a justification for Martial Law, and suspend elections.
He'll have to time it right, so that the courts can't properly react, so it will probably happen late next summer, likely with a series of violent attacks on demonstrations, which ought to be common and huge by next summer. He'll just encourage his J6 RedHats to instigate trouble at protests around the nation, and they'll respond since he's already pardoned and paid them (he's planning on compensating them for their trouble). Many won't miss an opportunity to get a free pass to fuck up liberal protesters.
Once we've missed the 2026 election, it will be easier to ignore the 2028 election. Of course, the outcry will be enormous, but it's Martial Law, so he can put loudmouths in prison without due process, and there is will be no functional court system to stop him.
so people think that AOC or Harris is going to win in this very racist/sexist country we are in? Guess it will be Trump again.
Your Obama got in, and what's more they were excited to vote for what seemed like actual charge.
That's what stirred up the racists.
What do you mean "your" he isn't mine in any way. He is just some guy who was president. I don't idolize politicians.
Lol it was always going to be trump again because fair elections don't exist anymore.
Kamala was an unpopular candidate attached to an unpopular presidency. Sure, the race and gender aspect was must definitely used to manipulate MAGA - but that doesn't matter. Whoever Biden chose as VP that would end up running for president would be demonized in one way or another by Russian, Chinese, and U.S. propaganda. They would have lost as well.
Kamala lost because she was perfect in every way but people are simply racist. No other reason can be thought up. She was the best candidate ever and everyone loved her policies. Especially when she showed up with Liz Cheney.
If Trump's in the running again, none of our laws mean anything and there's no point having an election.
Also this. I don't even know if an election could be considered real if he is running again.
Obama was one of our most popular presidents in my lifetime. Hillary won the popular vote.
Yes, American clearly has racism and sexism, but I don't think those have been the problem. The problem is running terrible candidates that ignore what Americans are looking for.
I think its likely both. They would have to not only be a decent candidate they would have to be spectacular to overcome inherent bias and pick up votes from independents and the other party to make up for that bias.
Yeah running a woman against trump… again. Third times the charm right?
Fuck Harris, we have no more time for right wing "liberals." She needs to get the fuck out of the way and progressives need to take charge
At this early stage when there isn't an obvious choice (like an incumbent or VP), this is really a measure of name recognition more than anything.
I don't know what the field is going to look like when the primaries roll around, but I highly doubt that Kamala will make it anywhere near the nomination again. She had her chance, she's extremely unlikely to get another one. The last time a Democrat got the nomination a second time after a loss was Adlai Stevenson in 1956, and he only got it because most of the other possible candidates stayed out of the race because they expected Eisenhower to win in a landslide.
She had her chance, she’s extremely unlikely to get another one.
She had two chances. Her first one was an abysmal failure. If she had any sense, she would've learned then and there that her own party doesn't even like her. And the only reason she got a second chance was because the DNC handed it to her on a silver platter. I get why they opted out of having another primary so late in the game, but she was the absolute worst choice they could've made.
This poll may as well have just asked people "which of these names do you recognize?", because that's really all it tells us.
EDIT: It just hit me that you meant she had her chance as the nominee. I'm dumb.
LOL. still not moving? chuck schumer and nancy still doing their thing? that is not a real democracy.
I will be shocked if the Dem establishment doesn't run Newsom and do their damndest to ratfuck AOC like they did with Bernie.
Sure, there's a lot of time between now and a theoretical 2028 presidential cycle...
But I have learned to set expectations pessimistically and be surprised in the optimism direction, not the other way around.
The DNC will 100% try some ratfuckery to screw the left. Its the only consistent thing they ever do. They're doing it right now, even.
I will be shocked if the Dem establishment doesn’t run Newsom and do their damndest to ratfuck AOC like they did with Bernie.
Newsom is demonstrating his willingness to sprint to the right.
I would vote for Newsom...as President of the breakaway Republic of California
If you think in terms of "lanes" AOC is the only left wing potential candidate on there, 21% support is actually not persuasive in her odds to actually be the candidate.
I feel very good about her chances to run the Bernie playbook and end with a top 3 amount of delegates but in an actual primary the lanes would clear up as people drop out and it is hard to see her consolidating support from like, Gavin Newsome.
Cory Booker talked all that time for nothing
Cory is probably aiming for Schumer’s position.
Where the fuck has Harris been this whole time? How has she remained relevant? WTF is wrong with the DNC (gestures wildly at all their dumb shit)?
Great, they are clearly running the campaign for JD Vance then.
See ya in 2028 with JD as president
Don't be silly, he'll already be president. Theres no fucking way that drippy ghoul has 3 years and 9 months left.
I would suggest Harris to look for a spot in the Supreme Court
She's far enough to the right.
Ayyy. This shouldn't be a shock. I think AOC should be seen as a favourite to emerge as the Democratic nominee in 2028... if we get an election then.