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Which scene in a movie/series do you think didn't make any sense to the plot ?

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The codebreaker/casino arc in The Last Jedi
- I have so many complaints about that movie but THIS is number one. The entire thing is a complete waste of time, all set about because Poe got turned into an insubordinate, hotheaded moron. Doesn’t help that Holdo has a perfectly functional plan she won’t share with anyone instead preferring to let them believe they’re all going to die, but frankly the movie is just a series of stupid, terrible decisions in a row from every character and above all, the director.
  Can you tell I hate this movie?
  
  The hyperspace collision as a weapon is worldbreaking.
  If that works in the Star Wars universe, in A New Hope, why didn't the Rebellion just get large asteroids and attach hyperspace engines to them and aim them at the Death Star. Asteroids traveling at hyperspace speeds, especially hundreds of them would be unstoppable and not a single Rebel life would have been in danger.
  Poe got turned into an insubordinate, hotheaded moron.
  This made no sense to me. Poe, in the Last Jedi, acts completely different that Poe in the prior movie where he was calm, collected and rational. If they wanted a character to be hotheaded, introduce a new character.
  
  Didn't Holdo's plan involve modifying some spaceships so they wouldn't be detected? Wouldn't that involve engineers? Isn't Rose and engineer? Why didn't Rose know what Holdo's plan was? Did Holdo also not tell the engineers her plan? Maybe that's why half the ships got blown up by the First Order immediately.
  That whole plotline made no sense and was completely pointless. But basically all of the plotlines were pointless in that movies.
  
  I still have no idea what Snoke’s role was. F Rian Johnson.
- If I had the chance to make edits to the script, I'd have done the following:
  Replace the animals in the racing with podracers
  Have the hacker guy drop the dreadnought's shields for a moment to permit the Holdo manoeuvre
  The podracer stuff is basically just fanservice, but it's very minor and not adding any more distractions than were already there, so I think that's fine
  The hacker does have a motivation to ensure the empire doesn't get a clean win. He profits from the war. He wants both sides to struggle. Doing this just as he leaves gives him an actual role beyond betraying Finn and Rose, makes sense for his motivations, and also explains why hyperspeed ramming doesn't usually work in Star Wars
  
  These are good changes. Also I would suggest that they should have switched it to the Leia maneuver instead of Holdo, have her use the force to put Holdo to sleep or something to save her life. If I remember correctly Carrie Fisher had passed away while it was still in post production?
- More precisely: Anything in The Last Jedi

In episode 17, when Commander Taggart is about to escape the neutron field in the omega-13, he used the auxiliary of deck B... But in the next episode, the schematic shows that deck has been totally vaporized. I was just wondering, do you think that's a continuity error, or do you think there's a justifiable reason for it?
- You are our last hope.
- This feels like a murderbot reference, but I haven't read them all
  
  Never give up, never surrender

The whole last season of GOT.
- Just rewarched on a TV in a background and it's so bad. I thought maybe given some time it would clear up a bit as GOT hype died down but it's just awful, can't believe the actors managed to keep a straight face.
  
  You can just watch the Pitch Meeting next time. Shorter and internally consistent.
  
  It's incomprehensibly bad. The later seasons ahead of the books all had their problems, but the last one is just...
  It's completely lost on me how something like that can happen to such a big production. GoT was the hottest pop culture shit for years but after season eight, we just collectively stopped talking about it.

Ant-Man
- One can surmise it's actually a life-sized model kit tank made out of cheap plastic, akin to how it works in Ground Defense Force! Mao-Chan.
  
  But it drove through a concrete wall!
  
  Wrll there is also a scene in one of the movies where a plastic thomas the tank engine toy gets huge and crushes a police car. The toy that should jot weigh more than 200g crushes a car ....
- I think one of the theories is that Hank doesn't actually know how Pym particles work and it's basically magic. Because if you watch it keeping weight in mind none of it makes sense.
- didn't he "refine/improve" the process or something?
- Did they explain why in endgame a pym particles vial is only used once per person? While in other ant-man movies a vial of pym particles can be used multiple times.
  
  Yes, they didn't have enough left because Hank Pym was dusted.
- Comic book movies are cheating at this game.

In Prometheus at the start.... right until the very end.
- "Hey, alien planet we've never been on before. Let's take our helmets off."
  "Hey our map guy got LOST inside an underground tunnel and tried to pet an alien snake and now he's infected."
  "This medical machine is configured for men. Caesarian mode is on the left."
  I call the movie Fuckwits In Space for these and many more reasons.
  
  Expecting humans in a sci-fi monster movie not to be cocky before their sudden yet inevitable demise is kind of cheating.
  I don't understand the last point.
  PS I really really like Prometheus, so I'm biased
- I will never stop calling any scene where an object is moving towards people and they run directly away from it while it's gaining on them as "the Prometheus school of running away." This was only slightly less stupid than trying to outrun a train...on the tracks.

Last Jedi:
Leia gives Rey a hand held tracking device and tells her that with it she will be able to find them wherever they go.
In THE SAME SCENE, they come out of Hyperspace followed by the First Order and claim it's impossible to have followed them.
The tracking plot point is not mentioned again.
(p.s. A similar tracker was placed on board the Falcon in the OG Star Wars to lead the Death Star to the rebel base on Yavin 4).
- Last Jedi
  That's cheating, none of that movie made any sense whatsoever.
- The plot point is that you cannot be tracked while in hyperspace. Something the first order was able to do so they could follow them to their destination instead of waiting until they are out of hyperspace to pursue them.Trackers are well established in the universe otherwise. They just only work outside of hyperspace.
- Last Jedi was so angering that it killed all desire I had for watching rise of Skywalker, rise was the only star wars movie I've ever skipped, and still haven't watched.
  When instead of sacrificing ackbar, they kill him in the background and we're supposed to care about the sacrifice of this random purple haired woman we've never ever met before and just shows up to die? Should have been ackbar or Leia or even wedge. And one thing I liked about TFA was the budding relationship between Rey and Finn, they had great chemistry. Then suddenly you separate them for the whole second movie, add a second love interest that's awful and for some reason Rey likes Kylo? The fuck??
  
  I feel really bad for Rise of Skywalker, it was really in an impossible position.
  First, Last Jedi painted them into a fucking corner. It was like nobody told Johnson he was making the middle part of a trilogy.
  Second, what little structure the trilogy had was 7 was about Solo, 8 was about Luke, and 9 would have been about Leia, but then Carrie Fisher up and died. :(
  They had to really scramble on the 3rd one and losing the original writer/director didn't help. Abrams had to come in after 8 shit the bed and Fisher died and tried to make the best of it...

In The Matrix, humans were used as batteries. The energy requirements needed by a body to sustain itself outweigh feeding it to extract energy. It would've been more efficient to burn the food directly instead of feeding it to people.
- In the original script, they were used for processing power, but the C-suites made them change it because they feared spectators wouldn't understand.
  
  More like they changed it because the C-suite didn’t understand
  
  Kinda like The Attic in Dollhouse
  
  That's really interesting but I think that suffers from a similar issue because I'd assume the processing power needed to run the matrix alone would be much greater than 1:1 per human.
- Originally it was humans being used for their brains as processing units, but they thought thatd be too confusing for audiences so they went with batteries.

The twist ending of Now You See Me. Just stupid.
- have you seen the sequel? barf
  
  Nope. Nothing about the original made me want to see more of it.

The whole UFO scene in "Life of Brian".
- Maybe not for the plot (since it's never referenced or brought up ever again in the film) but I think it does work thematically:
  This would be the one real miraculous event in Brian's life. If anything, you would expect that a man who fell from a tower, got picked up by a flaming ball, and returned safely to the ground would be hailed as a holy person by all witnesses.
  Instead, nobody gives a fuck and in the next couple of scenes Brian becomes a holy figure through entirely unrelated and mundane means.
  
  Yeah, my main problem is with the whole "never mentioned again" thing. As it is, you could as well just leave it out.

kingsman movie, first one. he did some parkour in the beginning to get away front bullies, then never again.
lessons in chemistry. crazy contraption to feed the dog, then never again anything like it.
- Those scenes are just there to establish that he's capable, intelligent and talented in the ways the agency needs, so it's plausible they would recruit him. Never-mind that they also establish the way he looks at the world and approaches problems which is then forgotten immediately.

In Memento
- What? The suit clearly does not fit him. The dead man is bigger than him, so it's over sized. It's even mentioned by multiple characters that it doesn't quite fit.
  
  The suit clearly does not fit him.
  You and I remember this film very differently. I could swear it was excellently tailored suit in a number of really close up shots, early in the film. To the point where I thought the film was telling me
  
  That suit had absolutely been tailored to his body. I understand that actors want to look great, and so I figure they let him wear a suit that fit for most of the film.
  After the reveal
  
  they do have some lines about it not fitting, which felt very dishonest, after the earlier close-ups.
  I would have been satisfied with a throw away line of dialogue about the suit not fitting before the reveal. I would have laughed at it (the suit clearly fits great in almost every scene), but it at least would have made the reveal cool instead of silly.
  I would have also settled for (and I expected) a scene where he gets the suit trailored properly. But if I recall, there was no reasonable way to fit such a scene. Which I get. I'm not saying this film would have been better by addressing my pedantic complaint.
  I'm not really mad that actors get to wear clothes that fit - it was just a stand out moment in an otherwise seamless (pun absolutely intended) film.
- ever see cowboys vs aliens? Daniel Craig puts on a dead cowboys clothes and it fits like it was painted on lol
  
  Lol. I noticed that too. But I expected less from Cowboys vs Aliens, so I wasn't as confused by it.

The scene in Pulp Fiction where Butch kills Vincent.
I am pretty fucking sure it's actually a dream/imagined scenario by Butch, simply because when it ends, it cuts back to Butch in his car saying "that's how you're gonna beat 'em, Butch. They're just gonna keep underwstimatin' ya" as he pulls up to the apartment. But then, instead of getting to go in and grab his watch as he imagined, he instead runs into Marcellus in the middle of the street, leading to that whole thing with the rapists.
He does end up getting his watch, but after he and Marcellus part ways. Vincent never actually dies.
- Except for the fact that Vincent is only there without Jules because Jules quit. And Vincent was in the toilet because he was constipated because he's a heroin addict.
  If Jules hadn't quit, Marcellus would not have been there. And Butch wouldn't have known about any of those developments.
  Although to back your theory up, Jules would've never left for doughnuts.
  
  There's also a the recurring plot that every time Vicent goes to the bathroom something bad happens.

The ending to Castle. A series that went on for eight seasons, where they were given several warnings about how the actors (who didn't get along) might quit and challenge production, and then it happens, and instead of preparing a proper ending or deciding to recast Beckett, they had the characters win against the mafia, then randomly die because the writers are absolutely obsessed with cliffhangers, then randomly be brought back to life, then randomly turn it into a Wizard of Oz type of ending with kids we've never seen before, all because they stalled writing an ending until the very last moment. As much as people blame Stana Katic for leaving and throwing a wrench into things, you can't say the writers didn't have some kind of hand in how things turned out. Every possible thing that could've fixed the show was voluntarily ignored.
- Worth it for this:
  https://youtu.be/ZaGzyXUGqcc
  
  I like to think this is their way of confirming the two universes are canon and that the characters are subconsciously aware.
- Huh, I might have to watch that again. It was one of my favorite seres, but back then I was stuck watching on the networks schedule, so I never finished it

Lost. All of it.
- Abed:
  \ It's the first season of Lost on DVD.
  Pierce:
  \ That's the meaning of Christmas?
  Abed:
  \ No. It's a metaphor. It represents lack of pay-off.
  ...]
  Abed:
  \ I get it. The meaning of Christmas is the idea that Christmas has meaning. And it can be whatever we want. For me, it used to mean being with my mom. Now it means being with you guys. Thanks, Lost.
- Frustrated they never showed the polar bears backstory including his work as a scientist with a gambling problem and a fractured relationship with his son.
  
  Walt?

Claudette:
He’s always bugging me about my house. Fifteen years ago, we agreed, that house belongs to me. Now the value of the house is going up and he’s seeing dollar signs. Everything goes wrong at once. Nobody wants to help me, and I’m dying.
Lisa:
You’re not dying, mom.
Claudette:
I got the results of the test back. I definitely have breast cancer.
Lisa:
Look, don’t worry about it. Everything will be fine. They’re curing lots of people every day.
Claudette:
I’m sure I’ll be alright.
- Using The Room is cheating. There are only, like, two scenes in the entire movie that make sense according to the plot.
  And also, I would have probably gone with the playing catch (with a football, I think) in tuxedos scene.

Looper when they're "torturing" the one guy and his body parts are disappearing one after another.
- To clarify, do you mean it wouldn't make sense that his body part would dissapear as they were severed in an alternative past. Or do you mean it doesn't belong on the plot/add to the story?
  
  Not Op, but...
  
  The first. Those injuries were done decades ago, and yet they are just appearing now to the surprise of the character.
  If that's how the time travel "works" in this universe somehow, then Bruce Willis disappearing at the end contradicts this.
- The whole Looper premise doesn't make sense.
  Criminals in the future send people back in time to get whacked. If you get an abnormally large payout, that means you whacked your future self and are now retired.
  Why have someone kill themselves with a large payoff? Why retire them? If they're retired in the future, why have them killed?
  You have present day hitmen, A, B, and C. Future victims, a, b, and c.
  A -> a, B -> b, C -> c results in stupid large payouts and retired killers.
  A -> b, B -> c, C -> a has normal payoffs and no retirements.
  Still doesn't explain why you wanted a, b, and c dead in the first place.
  Looper is a great LOOKING movie, those shotguns were on point! Just don't go thinking about it for more than 5 minutes.
  
  Their concept of time travel is definitely unorthodox compared to other time travel movies. One of the main characters literally said not to think too much about it.
  Everything else was pretty much explained by the protag.
  He did mentioned that his line of work doesn't attract forward thinking people. This is quite realistic, I mean, have you seen how a lot of people (and companies) sacrificed long term benefits for short ter ones? It's also posible that they think they can beat that system.
  Their future selves are killed to tie up loose ends. The change in power dynamic with Rainmaker's takeover definitely plays a role. This is actually a common trope in crime dramas (and probably also in real world).
  It definitely is not a perfect movie, but it's a damn good one to me. I definitely think Joseph-Gorden Lewitt and Emily Blunt lack chemistry, and the sex scene was forced, but I guess it's somewhat realistic someone living in a farm out of nowhere all by themselves can get so horny...
  
  The part that pisses me off. "We can't kill people in the future because the forensics are too good." Then armed men come for him in the future. They can't kill him or they'll get caught, why are the guns a threat?
  
  I didn't like that movie, but do people really analyse movies like this as their watching them? I don't usually unless I'm really bored, or afterwards if I really liked it.

In Rock 'n' Roll High School Forever, the scene where they go over to someone's house and pretend to worship their refrigerator doesn't further the plot or character development in any way.

The biggest one for me is in Butterfly effect, when he goes back in time and gives himself the scars, it goes against everything we learned about time travel in that movie. If he did that he would have had the scars all along, they would not have appeared out of thin air, also the timeline would have diverged there.
- In the same vein, in looper where they start crippling the past version of a person and the future one who is running away from something gets starts stumbling more and more until he can't walk, but the first few hundred meters he still made somehow.
  
  But that is internally coherent from what I remember. I.e. time always works that way, changes in the past are propagated, and time travelers get the effects sometime after it.

This Scene from Designated Survivor. I'm still chuckling when thinking about it.
- 😂

The scene where Al Pacino gets slapped by a big black guy wearing only a cowboy hat and a jockstrap in Cruising (1980)

The Office, Season 6, episode 20, “The Leads”. All the characters in this episode always seemed to me like they had a different personality for just this one episode. It really stands out IMO.
- I was completely on Michael's side through that whole story. When Phyllis called him numb nuts, I think any other manager would have fired her ass. But they treat Michael like shit sometimes cause he's so forgiving.
  Also after the Michael Scott paper company when Phyllis is crying that Michael claimed they were family but went after their customers, yeah Phillis? And what did you guys say when Michael treated you as family? You scoffed at him and brushed him off. So fuck you. Also hate how when you get a new customer you "got a new customer" but when you lose a customer it's "they STOLE the customer". There's no stealing here buddy, just a better salesperson

A lot of scenes are just thinly veiled commercials - why are we spending so much time looking at the front of a brand-new car the characters are getting into? It's always awkward and takes away from the scene.

Chicago fire. Stella and Severide being "away" longer than expected. Out of the blue ignoring the other one. I know the actors had other work to do, but it was sloppy writing.

Drop the scene from deadpool and wolverine where they chop up a hundred deadpools. It's cheap cgi at that. The animations at the end were pulled straight from a video game

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