What's your "old person" trait?
What's your "old person" trait?
My old person trait is that I think 'ghosting' is completely unacceptable and you owe the other person a face-to-face conversation.
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My OPT is that you should be able to buy and own your software instead of perpetually renting it.
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My old person trait is that none of the things mentioned in the linked image happened on accident.
They happened because capitalism doesn't give a fuck about anything except bleeding as much money as conceivably possible out of each and every human.
- Apps allow companies to suck more data out of your device than a website, allowing them to sell more of your data and... make more money.
- Video games needing access to the internet is simply Digital Rights Management and a way to prevent piracy and... make more money. Remember, most companies view something pirated as a "lost sale," not that you would have never purchased it to begin with. As Gabe Newell once said:
“We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem,” he said. “If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate’s service is more valuable."
- This one speaks for itself. Being able to be in control of the products you buy is freedom. Having products controlled remotely by a corporation is giving them carte blanche to make more money off of you.
- Removing accessible customer service means more people will just give up on trying to get their problem solved, effectively allowing the company to steal from people and... shocker... make more money.
I agree, in theory, in respect to ghosting, but we live in a society that teaches us to be isolated, and doesn't teach interpersonal skills unless the interpersonal skill is "Fuck you, got mine." (which is, not surprisingly, a thing about making more money.)
In other words, these aren't old people opinions. These are "I'm not gonna let capitalism absolutely fuck me endlessly" opinions.
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I think cars should not be dependent on a touch screen for ANY of it's functions (or really have one at all). They are more difficult to use than tactile buttons, distracting, and do not receive long term support from the OEM.
What do you do with a 10 year old car that runs but the touch screen nuked due to age, firmware bugs or mechanical damage? Ford isn't going to be selling replacement units 10 years later and I have yet to see an 'infotainment' system that has aftermarket replacement considerations.
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My old person trait is that when I purchase a printer, I should be able to use whatever is the cheapest compatible ink without the printer treating me like I'm smuggling unicorn blood out of Narnia
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My old person trait is that instructions do not need to be videos.
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i'm a little iffy on this one... if it's something complicated/with lots of parts like how to repair your phone screen or something i prefer the video format, but for things like how to install certain softwares i totally agree with you
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if I'm reading documentation for a software library, i want that written.
cuz i can read useful paragraphs faster than how ppl talk
but if it's something highly visual, maybe a video is better
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Can I marry you?
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That was the only qualification? Nice
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I might end up wanting a video, but there is so much low-quality content in search results. I can click into and out of six bad sets of written instructions in the time it takes me to watch one video far enough through to realize it doesn't answer my question. Please, search engines, place more written instructions higher up.
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I prefer written guides to video guides.
Video has some clear advantages when showing off a 3D space and otherwise, but I dislike pausing them over and over. Especially if my hands are covered in oil and grease, a paper version is superior to a screen.
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Also, text is a lot easier to skim/scroll through or find the relevant parts.
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Don't worry, the five second answer to your question is somewhere in this 25 minute video. Good luck finding it.
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I was playing Sim's 2 castaway recently on an emulator, because nostalgia, and when I was struggling to find an item in game, I googled for it and found some surprise bonus nostalgia: a guide to the game that was plain black text on white background, all on one page, with a chapter section and headings labelled, and ASCII art up top. It made me long for simpler days
I also remember getting a cheat book with a gaming magazine, or very rarely getting access to a printer to print off cheats, or finding some online and writing the important ones down manually.
I studied biochemistry in uni, and usually the practical labs had the protocols and stuff in a paper booklet we'd get at the start of term, but one year, they switched to using iPads for that. I hated it; it felt unhygienic, even though I was careful to avoid contamination, and it was awkward to flip back and forth between sections.
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Agree a hundred percent. Also I grew up in an area that still doesn't have consistent cell reception so everyone always has a set of wrenches and the Haynes manual to their car.
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They have their place but I totally get you.
For example, when I’m planning a big home project, I want to watch a lot of DIY channels (plug for Home Renovision here) on the basic procedure.
But, if I’m repairing my dryer, I don’t want to be unlocking my screen, rotating, hitting play, watch a few seconds, pause, put it down, work, repeat. Just give me something I can print out ffs.
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Holy shit, yes! Give me a step by step guide with an occasional picture to demonstrate the steps that are awkward to type out.
I don't need a 30 minute video complete with an introduction/plot/climax to show me how to use foam sheets for cosplay pauldrons, and then another one for gauntlets.
When did these become the rule rather than the exception?!
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When videos started to make money.
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I refuse to use subscription software. If I can't buy it outright, I either use an alternative or take to seas.
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I love software like Lightburn where you just pay a set amount for so many years of updates and support and when it runs out you can choose to leave it like that or buy more updates and support for a smaller fee.
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my old person trait is thinking that all of the above are extremely reasonable expectations and it's a sad world we live in where most of those aren't the case anymore
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My old person trait is that I think I should be able to have anything I purchased repaired/serviced by whomever I wish, with whatever parts they deem acceptable.
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my old person trait is that you should keep your internet identity completely separate from your real one
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Nice try, Steve who lives in San Francisco and walks their dog every day at 8:41 am.
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Nice try, Steve
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I've heard people talking about not wanting global internet identities and I, having the same thought you do, don't see how it would be a problem if you kept your real Identity out of it.
Partly because I like the idea of becoming famous but without people knowing who you really are.
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That is a memorable name, I'll remember that!
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For the love of god stop with the QR code menus. I don’t want to have to scroll up and down a million times to figure out my order.
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My old person trait is I shouldn't have to scan a QR code for the menu at a sit-down where I'm dropping $100 on entrées. Give me a dang physical copy of the menu!
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And then the QR code does not link to a menu but an app instead. So you need to install an app and allow weird permissions not related to the ordering of food for said app just to see that it only displays a static website in a Chrome custom tab.
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I find it annoying too and for about 9 months I had a cracked camera on my phone so no QR worked for me, most places had a physical copy when I couldn't or I just had to leave. Now I don't like being difficult, but I wish I still had that excuse. I just don't like it.
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As someone who works in a call center, screw that last person on here. So sorry you hate the automated system. Sorry you had to wait on hold. They can't keep enough of us employed because y'all are fucking mean and no one wants to be abused for $15/hr.
Er, I mean, Thank you for calling, sorry about your wait!
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In regards to OP's comment about ghosting, I just want to ask, are you a man? Because women all-too-often have to deal with men who can't take no for an answer, and some of those men go from mad to violent very quickly. You might say "well, no man should act that way, they should be able to hear 'I don't want to see you anymore' and just accept it and move on" but the fact is they are not all able to do that. So should women do the respectful thing and stop ghosting, even though some of them definitely WILL end up being yelled at/attacked/killed?
(I know my example doesn't cover all situations involving ghosting, like for instance if the ghoster is a man. If you want to modify your claim to be 'ghosting is unacceptable, except in cases where having a face-to-face conversation could put someone in danger' then I guess I'd agree with that statement. It's just that it's really hard to know which person will be dangerous when they are turned down.)
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I hate all websites that move things around as they load. If I see a button, that button should stay where it is when I try to click it.
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The number of times the “news” headline display shows me something that catches my interest and then disappears and refreshes to something else before I was able to finish reading it infuriates me.
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Your old person trait is that modern UI should follow the same sane UI design guidelines as theybused to in the past. In your example, the UI elements should not move around unexpectedly. :)
I agree with you whole heartedly.
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Not even that so much. I mean, I get that UI needs to adapt to the screen size it's being displayed on, rather than older sites that would end up malformed on different displays.
All I ask is that the page figure all that shit out before it displays anything to the user. Figure out where it wants to put the buttons, then put the buttons there. That, and get rid of bullshit slow animations that only exist so that a web designer can showcase to their client, rather than accept input from the users. "Look how smooth it slides out when you hit that button!" Fuck that, I just want to click the next button as soon as possible - and ideally minimise the number of clicks to get to what I want.
Saying that though, I do have a soft spot for old Unix systems. The kind that were kind of slow loading pages, but if you knew what the page contained you could press a bunch of keyboard keys and go through and queue up instructions for page after page. It would take a few seconds for the computer to catch up with your input, but it would process it all and you'd end up where you wanted to be.
People shouldn't be waiting for computers, computers should be working to make work easier for the user.
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Google does this with their search suggestions
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It should pause when your mouse hovers over. I mean, google already monitor that kind of shit with all their ad scripts and crap, the least they could do is pass on some benefit to the user.
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Muscle memory matters! The original MacOS designers believed this. Now, all software seems to have abandoned this idea.
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An urge to destroy fascism.
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My old person trait is dislike of video-form social media. I consider blaring my phone speakers at max volume disrespectful to those in my surroundings and generally annoying.
Hence why my social media of choice was reddit and is now lemmy+kbin. It's mostly text posts and images.
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Owning physical media > "owning" digital media.
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game companies constantly pushing towards digital only stuff pisses me off.
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"Always Online" form of DRM is the most stupid thing anyone could ever do to a single-player.
Ubisoft and EA Games come to mind.
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I'm such a weirdo with this, because I don't mind owning digital games, but I really don't enjoy reading books digitally. I have a massive library that my partner is constantly exasperated by ahah
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What do you mean by "owning"? Steam/EpicGames game and Amazon movie like owning? That would not be owning, but since they are commonly refered as such "owning" makes sense. It is important to differentiate this with GOG Game like owning, because GOG games are, once downloaded, completely independent of GOG and the Internet. Similar to that would be pirated Movies, and most pirated Software with the difference that you don't legally own it. Like a stolen DVD lol.
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You don't own digital media. It can be taken away from you at any time for any reason or no reason at all:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ps4-players-getting-locked-games-123900616.html
Not the first time, either...
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arrrrrr, I own me treasure.
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My old person trait is I hate short-form videos e.g. Instagram reels and TikTok videos. The back and forth boomer vs millenial vs gen z videos remind me of someone who is talking to themself with different personalities.
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I like having a keyboard and mouse. Doing things on a smartphone is a last resort.
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For me I'll add to this the touch pad on my laptop. Using those things drives me crazy.
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I hate using PC touchpads but my Mac touchpad is /chefskiss
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I see computers as content creation devices and phones as content consumption devices, so IMO it's mostly fine.
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My old person traits are most of all posted here because I am an old person.
But I'll add that my old person traits is that I think a living wage should support... er... living, including a place to live, food to eat, paying for services, buying clothes, getting decent public health and education, and even have spare money for your free time (hobbies, eat out, theatre, concerts, etc.).
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Capitalism enters the chat
Capitalism: Nah bro. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work. Are you lazy and don't want to work anymore? Be loyal to your company and work for them for 60 years. Your hard work will reap you many rewards so that your CEO can buy a new yacht.
Reaganism enters the chat
Reaganism: Oh hell yeah we're about to trickle down some wealth, everyone! My newfound wealth and yacht will trickle down to you all, somehow potentially. So that's your benefit. Trust us! Check out the next comment to this post and get ready for that economic stimulus that you paid for! It's coming!
Inexorable machinery of capitalism whirs into the chat
Machinery of Capitalism: Hey, working class! Give us more blood so our gears can continue to whir.
Working Class feebly crawls into the chat
Working Class: We're too tired from work. We're too tired fighting with each other because the Wealthy Class pits us against each other. We're too tired and distracted to unite because we think the others in the working class are against us rather than focusing on the real problem. We are too manipulated by you and believe we're in a culture war, when the real problem is the inexorable class war where you transfer all the wealth from us to you. We just want to have freedom, pay our bills without worry, not destroy our planet, and retire while being happy. We just want to be able to afford to eat. If you keep this up and break us to the point of no return, we just may have to eat the rich.
Capitalism: Gulp! Let's think of something new we can distract you with or some other corporation/wealthy controversial person we can exploit to manipulate you all into being divided again. We summon Ron DeSantis! I choose you, Vladimir Putin! Use "War on Ukraine" - it's super effective! Ron DeSantis, use "scummy villain civil rights" Special Move! It's Super Effective! Now stand still while we take away your rights, your money, your choice, and your autonomy.
Working Class: ... Okay, you win again. You're right - as a farmer, I definitely see that the hunters are trying to take away my pitchforks. The butchers are trying to steal my chickens. Farmers - unite! Let's kill those hunters and butchers.
Machinery of Capitalism, smiling and satisfied, continues to do parasite things while the Rich riches their riches harder
- Repeat this cycle for all of time and humanity's history *
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Wealthy Class: Oh heck yeah I'm about to trickle down some wealth to you all! Everybody hold out their hands.
Proceeds to trickle a small handout only to the Butchers
Butchers: Thank you!! This is so generous!
Farmers + Hunters: WTF?! How come you Butchers got the money? Let's go complain to the Wealthy Class and figure out what happened!
Wealthy Class: WTF? How can this be? Butchers - explain yourself!
Butchers: We worked hard for this and we need this money.
Farmers + Hunters: Hey, screw you! How can you be so greedy when we need the money, too? Let's fight!
Butchers: Them's fighting words. You guys suck, why can't you work harder?
Farmers, Hunters, and Butchers proceed to rassle
Wealthy Class:
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Wow okay gramps. Check out old boy here not juggling three jobs to pay off crippling debt and eating ramen 3 meals a day.
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I prefer landscape videos over vertical videos. I still remember when vertical videos were clowned on so hard that there were songs written about it. Now it's how everyone consumes their content!
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My old person trait is thinking a family should be able to live in a house if one member has a stable job (maybe two people if both are at minimum wage).
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I want a proper headphone jack on my phone! Bluetooth can be convenient, but I prefer wired headphones.
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These aren't "old person traits". It's common sense.
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my old person trait is remembering that it didn't use to be this hot in the summer where I live.
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Oof.
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My old person trait is that I want video to be horizontal.
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Honestly short form videos are so dangerous to my already short attention span
Doesn't help that even YouTube is shoving them down people's throats now
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Because the video is short, people don't need a seek bar right? Right?
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You can somewhat avoid them on YouTube, but they're really annoying on Instagram, given that I'm using the platform for photography, and augmented by the fact that I can't disable autoplay.
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Don't watch them then? You can blame everything on other things, or you can avoid short form content.
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Don't say that, I am 19 and also want horizontal videos. Is 19 old nowadays?
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Don't say that, I am 19 and also want horizontal videos. Is 19 old nowadays?
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Don't say that, I am 19 and also want horizontal videos. Is 19 old nowadays?
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I think I should be allowed to order food from a restaurant without needing to scan a QR code which requires me to have a smart phone and an active, paid plan in order to access their menu.
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My old person trait is only tipping if someone is actually providing a service for me. I don’t tip at all if I’m lifting a finger for anything.
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My fucking back hurts. Knee joints as well. And I think socializing is overrated.
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What's worse is something I akin to a kind simple complexity. A lot of things are needlessly complex because of a relentless drive to 'simplifly' to the point of paradoxical complexity and difficult operation. The classic example I was shown was a pre-internet one funnily enough. It was a radio that was 'one touch' operation. It had but one button. Trouble is, generally even for something as simple as a radio, one tends need slightly more control than just one button and so to actually operate the thing one had to press this one button over and over and over again to select things from a large array of potential operations and also to somehow know and memorise different lengths of time to press this one button to initiate different functions. Nowadays this idea is taken to a terrible extreme on things that get commonly labelled as 'devices' basically any computer that isn't a traditional desktop 'PC'. You're trying to find something specific and that function is in some ridiculously obscure place behind a tiny hidden button menu that is presented to the user through use of small esoteric icons rather than words, because of a desire to remove clutter. You end up with 'clean' website or interface design where there's very little in the way of navigational or important operational functions that could crowd or overwhelm the user, but also HUGE irrelevant items or logos to interact with in ways basically no one would ever desire to do, or tons of white space that does nothing. Sometimes I'm astonished because it doesn't even work on a cynical level where you subtly funnel people towards doing the things you most want them to do on your site or app, like buying things, because the design is so poor and obfuscated that if you literally wanted to buy something or find out where a place is so or when it opens so you are even able to buy something, you just... can't because all you seem to be able to do is follow circular links of grinning idiot stock models back to where you started on a torturous merry go round of needless frustration that benefits neither you nor the people that designed the system giving you all this grief.
I was all for this simple interface drive initially, when websites begun to have 'mobile' versions they were typically better than the original site and devoid of the mess that one had to otherwise contend with, but now they've paired everything back so far that basic obvious functions are near impossible to find or outright missing. The effect is most pronounced I've found in Google apps, but it's everywhere. It makes things complicated whilst simultaneously being ridiculously dumbed down and simple. The worst of both worlds. It's like someone took "Keep it simple stupid" and misinterpreted it as "keep it stupid, simple" . Drives me nuts.
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I have a few. And I'm not even that old (mid thirties)
- People who talk on phone calls using airpods or similar look ridiculous in public, like they're utter lunatics talking to themselves or their imaginary friend.
- people who view life through their mobile phones are unfortunate and sad. Like...why pay money to go see a gig if you're going to view it through your phone screen? I went to a wedding last week and I was one of the very few who was actually watching the procession with my own eyes rather through a camera app.
- Not being on social media should be an accepted norm, not a fucking exception. This is an issue when dating, unbelievably.
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I used to always buy physical pc games and then redeem the codes on steam! This was back when I ran a gaming store for a couple of years. Got Fallout New Vegas and Portal 2 cheaper than on steam this way, and with staff discount on top too
Still have the boxes and dvds! I miss the old big box monkey island era tho, dial a pirate lol
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I went to a wedding last week and I was one of the very few who was actually watching the procession with my own eyes rather through a camera app.
Exactly why that during our wedding we made a PSA to not take pictures or videos, and we have a dedicated professional taking care of that and we'll give access to those photos after.
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The not being on social media one sucks when dating for sure.
"How do I know you aren't a weirdo, creep, stalker etc?"
"You don't and me having social media wouldn't change that either."
Sure I could play ball and make myself a presence but honestly I'm happy enough being single that I'll gladly dodge any lady who isn't on board with my lack of social media.
Just a shame that in a numbers game that a relatively high proportion choose such a non issue to be a sticking point.
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I think the numbers may work in your favor the other way. The coolest / funnest / most interesting people I know have minimal or no social media presence. There are fewer of them, sure, but a much higher percentage of them are cool people vs the mindless drones who see everything in life as a photo op which they can post on their curated online persona's webpages.
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the social media part - I'm so tired of justifying why I don't have Instagram or Twitter to people. They think you're weird if you don't have one. I usually just say I used to have it but deleted it because it was stressful, but I don't think I should have to justify it at all
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How I see it, not needing to be in the big social is a privilege. If you can stay out, enjoy. I know a lot of artists etc. who, if they left the big social, would soon have no work or income.
Me? I open LinkedIn when I need a new job, that's all.
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My old person trait is that I'm unreasonably annoyed by people who don't write in full, correct, complete sentences, punctuation and grammar included.
Something interesting I've found is that people use 'lol' to show disinterest or mock the person they're replying to, not to show amusement. And that's not the kind of person I really want to engage with.
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I can't speak for everyone, but when I say lol I usually am trying to soften a self disparaging statement or expressing the absurdity of the situation... Or just lighten the tone because I feel like my message is too serious and I'm coming off like an asshole
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It isn't a hard and fast rule, just an observation. For some, it is just an interjection, and that's undeniable.
One weird thing for me is that I came online in the brief era between when simple smiles, the old colon parenthesis, were a thing but lol wasn't yet. Habits already defined, I guess.
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i find uppercase letters useless most of the time, because having two symbols for every letter seems kinda redundant to me? also it looks way cleaner for me that way. especially the 'I' in english is horrible, just use 'i'.
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That's all fair. All of my shit is a me problem, and I try to not judge. I'm in a corporate job and all the terrible grammar and spelling is just rampant there. So it's not like I can expect it everywhere online.
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My old person trait is thinking that the internet shouldn't just be a place to sell products.
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My actual old people trait is that there should be two spaces after a period. I will die on this stupid fucking hill. Even though computers automatically change it to one space. Like here.
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When I buy an aplliance or something simple like a speaker I don't want to have to connect it to the web to work properly. I want to just plug it in and use the function I bought it for.
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I'll got a step further and say that I don't want anything to connect to the internet except my computer. And even then I'd prefer if programs didn't try to sync settings or check for updates or anything else without me saying they can use the network.
(I'm in a shrinking minority that doesn't use the internet on their phone. I feel that somehow makes me even more of an old person than my parents...)
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My old person trait is that most of these sound like very recent problems
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These are not old person traits, these are just things that most people agree upon.
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I DO NOT owe you a text back. If I'm not physically w you, I owe you very little in terms of interaction. I come home, throw my phone under the bed, and ignore till morning, and I prob won't answer you then either. It's not personal...usually.
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Dumb TVs, its either 1.5k plus or you will literally never find one. I don't wanna be profiled or have some stupid android is on it. All it needs to do is display images on screen.
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I disagree that you owe a face to face conversation. No one should forced to go meet someone if they don't feel like it.
In the context of dating, if you get ghosted, consider that the person is not interested in you after all - and just move on. No big deal.
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It'd of course be nice to be rejected directly, and i much prefer it over getting ghosted, but I'm a big boy. I can handle not having things my preferred way all the time.
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For me, I miss the days when you could browse a website without popups for cookie consent, creating/signing up for an account, paying them money, and disabling your ad blocker.
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Likely an outdated one, or one that's already been given a number of times, but – Physical Books.
I'm not entirely 'anti' e-reader, the benefits are obvious. I'm just VERY pro physical book.
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I don't use an e-reader, but I found a long time ago I prefer audio books to physical books.
Its purely a comfort thing. I can read a lot faster than any audio book, but I just have a hard time finding a comfortable position to read a real book.
Also the added benifit of listening in the car, while working, or falling alseep.
The only times I find myself with a physical book is reading technical things like textbooks, or when I'm on a plane.
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I love physical books, but I love eReaders more. I've loved digital books since before digital books existed.
My love for digital books started when I was in college, and was lugging around a backpack full of fucking heavy dead trees. I spent countless hours fantasizing about a future where I could carry my entire library around in a single, small device.
You often see the lament: "it's the future! Where's my flying car‽" But, my friend, we are living in the future, one where my most cherished desire - the ability to literally fit every book I own into a single portable device - has come true.
I even have a second device, the dimensions of a standard US sheet of paper, on which I can write and easily read PDFs formatted for print; I can even run OCR on the notes and get pretty good results - this eliminated the endless, unsearchable notebooks that were my second plague. One day, this device will be foldable, and I'll be able to combine the two uses into one device.
I do still own, and occasionally buy, paper books. When I do, they're books I've already greatly enjoyed, and want to have hard-bound copies of. I curtail this behavior, as I've moved home a dozen times in my life already, and each time culled large portions of my library. For years, nobody accepts paper books, and they mostly go to recycling, which I always fine painful. It's one of the worst parts of moving, choosing either to haul around more heavy boxes or send less cherished books to be destroyed. The books I do buy are destined for the bookshelf; I buy these only for nostalgia, and it is unlikely that their spines will ever be broken.
My true love is e-ink; my library exists both on my computer (backed up) and on my eReader, always and fully accessible whether at home or travelling, and never taking up more space than a notepad. I had moved on long before the means to move on were available, and have never looked back.
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If you're in the UK, next-time you're forced to do a cull, try to see if you can find (or just start) a Bookcycle/Shelfcycle nearby. There aren't many yet but they're growing. It's a charity explicitly designed to do a better job of valuing donated books than existing infrastructure. They worked out that places like schools in developing worlds can often make great use of the books that other charity shops would destroy because they don't sell quickly in UK charity book shops. So Bookcycle sells the ones that would to raise funds to send the ones that wouldn't as a donation to communities that would value them. They try really hard not to destroy any book that someone might still find value in somewhere.
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I read somewhere that most people who read actually prefer physical books over e-books. The thing is a lot less people want to read now.
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Physical books are amazing and I'll always buy physical copies of the ones I love. Looking at it from cover to cover and taking in the cover art, the smell of the pages, the sound of it as you rustle through pages, the thunk when you close the book shut after finishing it. Not to mention just staring at all your books in a bookshelf and reminiscing about them. It's a lovely thing. You can't get that experience with eReaders and smart devices.
But I do purchase eBooks because I love the convenience. I prefer to buy DRM-free versions but they are difficult to obtain due to modern publishers. When I'm forced to buy one with DRM, I always break the DRM so that I can archive them and use them on any device I wish. Knowledge should be free, always.
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Mine is that a cellphone should be a phone first, instead of being a shitty computer first and a celllphone as a distant afterthought.
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The third one is my old person trait. Also, grumpiness, and wanting the right to repair my own devices.
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I don't think expecting a product to be functional and actually owning it is an old person trait. Saas absolutely fucking sucks.
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I don't want an iPad glued to my car's dashboard. Touch screens are fine but the current screen sizes and placement are ridiculous. It's a car, the screen shouldn't be distracting you.
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Absolutely with you. With physical buttons you quickly have the placement of your controls in muscle memory and you can just blindly change your A/C settings or skip songs without taking your eyes off your road.
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My old person trait is almost this but just the buttons. You cannot convince me that a touch screen is safer than physical buttons I can identify by touch while keeping my eyes on the road.
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I'm fine with the touch screen for things like inputting gps info, adjusting car settings, etc. I just think anything that we'll do in motion, e.g. adjust volume or temperature, should have a tactile button.
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but how can we put ads on your tiny screen?
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Since being forced back to they office only to sit on calls with the TV in the meeting room, I take every opportunity I can to make snide remarks about staying home.
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Mine is that I miss the days when physical media (DVDs, VHS, etc) was the main way to own media
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My old person trait is when someone offers me coffee, I look at my watch.
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My old person trait is when someone tells me what they mean, they better damn well be telling me what they mean, because I'm not gonna play mind games with them. If you tell me you're not upset then I'll believe you're not upset, I'm honouring you and your words and trusting that you're being upfront and honest with what you want me to know. And if you secretly are upset, it's not my responsibility to know that, you did not tell me.
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My old person trait is that I don't like short form video, I learn and internalize less and find that my day is chipped away at by tiktok or youtube shorts when I allow myself to watch them.
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Yeah that line was used by my abusers way to often. They just "can't understand" why I'd go no contact. As if the last 300 explanations were somehow non existent. Nope. I don't owe you anything.
And my old person trait is my walking stick I suppose.
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I kinda agree with you op on ghosting being unacceptable, but NOBODY is entitled to see my face NO ONE. It is not ghosting to straight up tell someone "I am no longer interested in continuing to stay in contact with you."
Likewise, my old person trait is the belief that your identity and all details pertaining to it are PERSONAL including voice, likeness, biometric statistics, location, interests - basically, the default human presence online is TEXT ONLY AND NO DESCRIPTION OF ANYTHING CONCRETE until and unless they choose to intentionally disclose more, and nobody, not one mother FUCKING person OR THING has the right to demand of you any more than that. Lastly, that you should guard your information greedily and viciously.
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10pm being late. When I was young I would stay up until 2-3 am doing stuff.
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I dislike and distrust short form video based social media. But that seems to be the common response.
IDK if I even consider that an "old person" trait though because there are lots of Zoomers that seem to hate it to. Though I wonder if that's because generational cultures are melding together more because of the internet.
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Idk, im a "cusper" (coming of age right as the internet was going from wild west to the web 2 of today) and I've always hated the idea of social media in general. Forums or message boards are the one thing I like, but FB/Insta/TT doesn't interest me in the slightest.
You're probably correct about the internet melding the generational response, but there's always going to be people who just don't like something even if they grew up with it.
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My old person trait is I think cashless-only businesses should be illegal.
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In my 40’s I feel like everything about me is an old person trait.
As a trauma survivor, all of the people I’ve ghosted in my life were toxic and bad for my mental, physical and emotional health and I have no regrets. It’s kind of like the Billy Crystal speech in When Harry Met Sally, except the opposite. When you realize you don’t ever want to see a person again for the rest of your life…you want the rest of your life to start immediately
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My old person trait is that I don't trust paying with your phone. My whole family does it and it has never gone wrong, but I feel uneasy
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Most of these "old person traits" are stuff most people agree with, just like r/unpopularopinion. We've been cursed with reddit.
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- Just installed a messenger. It uses more RAM than my first PC had for displaying a simple, empty list. I find that inexcusable.
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Welcome to the world of abstraction. Now developers can pump out shitty apps 10x faster and it only cost all your computer's resources
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Electron is built on several layers of inefficiencies that each grant ease of development. We also have a thousand times more RAM than we did back then. I think it's a fair trade.
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I don't understand TikTok... at all. Like, what's even the point as a user?
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I think everybody here has an old person trait. Joining the fediverse
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Is it old to join the fediverse? I assumed it'd be a young person thing cos it's complicated and hard.
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The Youths™ prefer short attention span, rapid gratification things like TikTok/Snapchat/Instagram/Facebook video reels... generally.
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It’s a familiar process for those who lived through the early days of the internet.
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My old person trait is that a digital file I paid for should be DRM free.
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My old person trait is nothing on the internet should expect a fee for use, streaming services excluded.
I remember the days when you paid for having the internet and that's it. No content hidden behind some patron paywall or membership fee. Content was willfully shared and distrubuted because that's what the internet is for that and infornation.
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Content was willfully shared and distrubuted because that's what the internet is for that and infornation.
This is still going on, just saying.
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Can't tell if this is face value mockery of younger generations willingly submitting to being fucked over by corporations for profit (maybe because of dependance on the convenience of modern technology), or if this is actually younger people making light of the abysmal state of consumer protection (probably caused by the older generation).
Maybe it's Poe's law, maybe it's a bit of both, or maybe this is just my own old person trait.
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My old person trait is that I want to not be milked for data
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My OPT is that if it's loud and expensive, I probably don't want to go there. And I haven't since I was 20.
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If you put something in my mailbox, where it is explicitly labelled that your unregistered shit is unwelcome. I will come out and find your parked car.
Did you think your stupid shit was that important? If I am selling my house I will never use Ben Gow. Or any of the others that are too stupid to read. Those people who cannot read basic requests - "NO JUNKMAIL" meaning your advertising shit, are not going to get used.
You will never get commission (or a purchase) you dumbshit losers, too dumb to read a mailbox sign, your definately too stupid to be given the risk of selling my asset.
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My old person trait is that I listen to old radio shows and watch a ton of classic movies and shows.
I'm 28 and don't even know when I discovered this exactly but on archive.org there's a group of people called the Old Time Radio Researchers Group who catalogue and archive all of the old radio shows. Some of the episodes sound like they could have been recorded yesterday just because they're in such high quality.
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Did you ever listen to The Shadow? They are some phenomenal radio shows from back in the day.
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The Shadow knows...
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Hell yeah! My favorite will always be Richard Diamond. Private Investigator but I love Suspense and The Shadow as well.
Oh and Gunsmoke of course; I like the show as well but James Arness' voice just doesn't match William Conrad.
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My old person trait is that I think it’s insulting for there to be an option to tip when going through a drive through.
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My old person trait is that I think kids today are underinformed and overopinionated, especially when it causes them to hold opinions with which I disagree. All other times the kids are alright.
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My old person trait is if you have something to ask me that is going to require a detailed answer call me or email me, don't text me. I'm not going to spend time typing out a long involved answer on that freakin' tiny ass keyboard.
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See... I'd actually prefer an email or a text over a phone call and I'm going to typically reply from my phone's tiny keyboard anyway.
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My boomer trait: I don't use big social media apps like most people my age (19). You could argue that it's pretty common but it always comes up in conversation. I'd rather not be concerned about someone else’s life, but engage with people who talk about their experiences and knowledge.
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True that, I use Discord mainly, lemmy for text and image post entertainmrnt, and never do I use twitter for anything that isn't a post that didn't embed on discord
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Agreed. I'm the only one of my friends who doesn't have a major social media account. Boost for Reddit just stopped working so I'll only be accessing that on my computer for certain communities.
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online shopping, mainly Amazon. i would rather try 100 different stores looking for what i need than to shop on Amazon.
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Amazon is a company that mistreats their employees, most of the crap they sell is wish.com Chinese garbage, and the reviews are gamed so it is ever more difficult to find good things there.
However I do still value buying things online. I prefer to shop local but some niche products can't be found near me so I have to either drive 2+ hours to a city or shop online.
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Why? Can you elaborate further?
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id just rather not contribute to the Amazon machine. From what I've seen and heard conditions for their workers are not great. I also don't want to the community brick and mortar dissappear because of online giants like Amazon. So if I can help it, I'll buy locally
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My old person trait is that I think that the company I buy a product from should be the seller and the shipper of the product.
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My old person trait is thinking that you should be able to read posts on Twitter without an account.
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Where should I start? I like to own my music, stream it from my server @home, I like to use a calculator, just because I like them. And I like to do things in a terminal, even when it takes 5x the time and a hand full of code. I like to connect things with cables instead of wireless, still faster and more secure, got a full cupboard of cables and adapters, I even collect movies and ebooks on my drives with the thought of "the day the internet brakes down I'll be the king here". Maybe it's because I AM old?! That kind of old, there was a time I spent money for a ringtone.
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I backed up a ton of reddit porn in June.
I also have like 8tb of movies and tv on my home server.
Still haven't setup port forwarding through my website, but I intend to.
I also wanna make a little app, just for me and my server. But Plex is exactly what I'd be trying to make, so...
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Wait. Can I actual do some things faster with a mouse? I've been outside of terminal last time seven years ago, don't remember that well...
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For me the terminal is rarely faster the first time, but the second, third, nth time I need to do it it's way faster than using GUI. Also have a history trail of what I did.
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It's that everything annoys me?
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My old person trait is that I don't think websites should require JavaScript to render, only use JS for interactive elements that are absolutely necessary for the function of your website. I generally accept that I may have to use JS to post and comment, but to read something should never require me to enable it.
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There are really people out there using React for their static portfolio website. I think JavaScript frameworks are fine if they compile into a minimal bundle with lazy loading, incremental server rendering, etc. As long as you don't ship unnecessary JavaScript with a full virtual DOM and slow down your page.
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My phone opens links in a browser and they don't work in the browser ¯\_ʘ‿ʘ_/¯
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That all current, popular, music really sucks.
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I saw a youtube video talking about why all current music kinda sucks and sounds the same. I think you'll find it very interesting.
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It's worth noting though that the shitty music of yesteryear doesn't persist in the public consciousness. When we think of music from previous generations, we're thinking about the stuff that was good enough to last (or bad enough, I suppose, if it's notably bad). So the popular music of today may seem to be dominated by shit, but you'd have to examine what else was on the airwaves of a given era to really make a good comparison.
I also think there's two major factors brought on by technological advancement and they both have a positive side. There are a lot more avenues to discover music than there have ever been. Musicians no longer have to be extremely talented and have broad appeal to reach an audience. From the listener's point of view, it's much easier to find good music that fits your particular tastes. And I think that in turn leaves more room in the mainstream avenues for lower quality but broadly appealing music.
The other factor is the accessibility of the technology to make and share music, which I think makes it easier for both "good" and "bad" music to find it's way outside of the artist's bedroom, so to speak.
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well said. well said. you dont exactly need a record company for your music to reach an audience these days, you can do what you like and no one can say 'this wont sell, fuck off,' you can have your own small audience that loves and respects you.
but another argument is that the current 'top' artists are 'on the top' because they have their names. if they published an album with another name, i believe it would be challenged. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Stephen King gained significant popularity as a horror writer. However, he wanted to test if his success was solely due to his name or if his writing could stand on its own. To do this, King created the pen name Richard Bachman, and people loved the supposed Richard Bachman books.
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On one hand I think every generation says the next generations music sucks, but I also think overall things have gotten so streamlined and repetitive that finding good current music is a chore.
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My old person trait is beginning any request with “May I…?” instead of “Can I…?”
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Sometimes, in jest of course, if someone asks me for some permission using "Can I [...]?" I reply "I am sure you CAN but you MAY not" :)
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Cambridge Dictionary says:
We use can, could and may to ask for permission. We use can and may, but not could, to give permission.
Merriam-Webster Dictionary says:
The use of can to ask or grant permission has been common since the 19th century and is well established
So you're not only being petty, you're also plainly wrong
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My age.
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Mine is also your age.
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I prefer to talk to individuals on phones rather than texting a long conversation. If it's a quick question (yes/no) or short answer texting is ok. But I find it taking longer and more tedious to text out an ongoing conversation over 20 minutes versus just calling and getting straight to the point and getting the information you need in 5 minutes.
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My back has been sore for a while, and I was always 'rounding' it to try and stretch it out (child's pose, touch my toes, bath with Epsom salt, rolling on my back with my knees tucked into my chest etc)
What really helped relieve tension was doing the opposite, and forcing my butt/hips backwards. Basically, enhancing the dip in my lower back by either using my hips or my shoulders.
Like, standing captain Morgan style (one leg up on stable coffee table, or bathtub) and lifting your arms up and leaning back while also pushing your hips back and stomache out. This should be a gentle stretch! Obviously don't do anything painful and listen to your body, but bending (flexing?) backwards has helped my back where bending forwards just made everything worse.
Try and maintain this shape when bending down, not just stretching, maintaining a straight back when bending over has helped a lot with both keeping tension away and being aware of my back form.
Basically, try to keep the shape in the second image (DON'T LIFT IF YOUR BACK IS SORE). When I stretch like this I'm generally standing straight and not bent over. this pic is just the general shape you want to maintain and 'exaggerate' while stretching.
Also, use ice packs and not heat to relax tight muscles.
It's Kind of hard to explain, but the tension in my back went waaaaay down the next day, and has been significantly better since.
If it helps, I don't go to the gym or anything, by back pain is born of mild sloth lifestyle, bad stretching, and poor form bending over.
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Your general practitioner MD has no clue what to do about backs. Go find a physiatry specialist, no need for a referral unless you're on an HMO. They're the most knowledgeable MDs (not chiropractors) for spine problems. The professional sports teams use them. They'll definitely do an MRI first and then prescribe PT. Next would be cortisone injections, and their last resort is surgery.
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Hey google “phoenix stretch” for a great lower back pain relief.
Also no shit your doctor does nothing. Our society has decided to task doctors with being the brunt of junkie interaction (instead of just legalizing drugs to let adults make their own choices, and let doctors focus on medicine, and cops focus on crime with victims).
Even if you make it 100% clear that you are not seeking pain management but rather want to identify and fix the problem, they interpret it as a cover story for drug seeking.
It’s horrific. Doctor refused to prescribe a scan for my knee once, because she thought I wanted pain meds. I told her “no I want to see what’s going on with my knee”.
Here’s the facts:
- I was skiing and fell. My knee made a popping sound as I fell. The ski was pointed backwards and didn’t come off
- I was able to walk, but developed sharp pain on the inside back of my knee
- my leg was wobbly and unstable. I could barely balance on it
- my knee had a persistent sort of “hollow” feeling, which was exactly the same feeling I got in my wrist when I snapped a ligament in my wrist
Based on that, she saw no reason for further diagnosis as obviously nothing was wrong. I could, after all, still walk albeit with pain and tons of tightness developing in my calf.
Why? Because she thought the whole thing was a scam to get drugs. Using a scan to actually observe the knee tissues and see what was up, would have answered that question. But in her mind it wasn’t a question. She wasn’t thinking “Is this guy a drug seeker?”; she was thinking “This guy is a drug seeker”.
Despite me saying again and again the pain was well within tolerable limits and I had no need to reduce the pain, and had no desire for any pain meds. I wasn’t the one to bring it up. I just started talking knee and immediately she’s like “I’m not giving you pain medication”.
I said “fine. I’m not here for that. I want a scan to diagnose this”
Anyway, can you tell I’m a little bitter about doctors?
But it’s not their fault. The way our drug laws are structured, it funnels all of society’s junkies straight into their waiting rooms. Then they’re not spending their days practicing medicine, but rather counterespionage.
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I guess I'm older than I thought.
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My old person trait is that no one is allowed to be mad at me for not answering a random phone call. Sometimes it's ok to leave your phone in the other room while watching a movie, or (gasp!) At home while you're out gardening.
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My old person trait is that I write primarily in cursive and prefer it.
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Cursive with the oddball printing letter thrown in will always be my preference. It's just plain faster than printing.
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I write in cursive about half the time, because it's satisfying. But I always switch to print for acronyms and initialisms, because I think multiple consecutive uppercase cursive letters looks dumb.
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I don't use my phone to pay at the POS and I refuse to do so. I will always carry around my card and use that.
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Use cash to avoid revealing card info
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Mine is I get unreasonably annoyed whenever teenagers are loud in public places.
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Everybody should be in bed by 11pm, midnight on the weekends. Nothing good happens after that. Get your beauty sleep.
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I don't use any social media except LinkedIn, and I have that set to all private. Just use it when I am looking for a job. I do stare at my phone all day though, but instead I am reading about board games, world news, and technology from other places.
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Curated Tumblr content is always so much better than Twitter's. We need a Tumblr posts community in here.
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My old person trait is that if you're going to do a ticket, don't code the bare minimum saying that you'll "get back to it later". You never have time later, and now there's shitty code in our app that needs to be fixed or worked around.
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I don't like social media.
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I somewhat agree with your old person trait. But not face to face. At least a text saying not interested/I don't want to hang out anymore and then ghosting. Nobody owes you a face to face conversation. Especially if they're not interested.
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Breaking wind when I cough
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Driving slow, leaving early and arriving early. I usually drive a bit below the speed limit, and always follow speed limit signs. It keeps people safe, even if their own impatience makes them tailgate eachother 10 cars in a row behind me. Some people like to be in a hurry when they drive and don't know how to relax and drive calmly, I've never been sure why.
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Shouting at young people who blast bad auto tuned rap music in front of my house :D Or"answering" with very very loud good rap music or black metal :D
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My OPT is that you should be able to buy and own your software instead of perpetually renting it.
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I've never tried it but I've heard that if you swear at the cosomer service robots enough they'll automatically send you to a person. Again, never tried it so unsure. I normally just try to avoid things that require me to call CS.
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Smashing zero usually works just as well.
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It depends on the bot, but yeah I've tried this a couple times that I was frustrated.
The second I said "put a fucking human on," the bot immediately responded with "let me get someone for you."
Doesn't always work, I've had some that just said "I don't understand."
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I've tried that a couple of times, at least once the robo-service just hung up on me.
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I'm so guilty of ghosting, but I feel like it really is difficult to stay in touch with people, the more time passes. However, I do eventually answer after 2 months to 2 years from when the last message was sent, though
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My old person trait is refusing to buy things on internet and wanting to buy them in person. The funny thing is: My mom (63) have no problem on purchasing things online; while I (31) am afraid to do that!
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Mine is that hook up culture is a lazy alternative to finding someone to build a meaningful relationship with
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I guess so, but it's also a short cut to finding that person and to understanding what you want in that person by finding out what you don't like first.
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Company call centers should - after a reasonable wait - put you in contact with a bone and flesh human and not a fucking 010001101 robot, also those humans should be paid decently, since I don't envy the insults they, unfairly, take
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My age
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I get worked up over other people's spatial awareness, especially as it relates to walking on a sidewalk or driving. People will take up all the space on a sidewalk, they will open their doors as cars are going by, they will walk out into traffic, they move around as if other people do not exist, they will stand and congregate in the middle of a walkway. I find it wildly disrespectful and dangerous. I feel like when I'm driving people are constantly putting their wellbeing into my hands and gambling that I have the skills and awareness to not let them get in a wreck or get run over. When I am walking down the sidewalk, I feel few people are managing space in a way that keeps the sidewalk available to as many people as possible while other people are basically pushing me off the sidewalk entirely so they can all walk like a wall, or bulldozer.
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My OPT is gardening and also being so out of whatever "it" is
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My ankles crack like someone is throwing those little rock baggies that pop with every step way too often. I have declared that my wife finds it enduring despite her near constant shock at the loudness and frequency. Also her PT friends says I have loose ankles for which I am uncertain how to prepare or prevent for whatever fate has for me.
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I think that buying something should be more convenient than pirating in.
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All the words of wisdom I ever needed was in Grateful Dead lyrics.
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My old person trait is I think people should remove their headphones when interacting with each other IRL
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My old person trait is that often prefer phonecalls over text messages.
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My ye old ass trait is to take sunglasses off when talking face to face with someone, looking people in the eyes creates a more connected conversation.
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I do that, despite me wearing ones with eyesight correction and then being almost blind, lol. I always feel like a dick when I talk to someone with my sunglasses on.
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My old person trait is that cars should have physical buttons for at the very least climate control and media.
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On the last one, a lot of places have switched to SMS to talk to someone faster. Even if they take just as long it's a lot less frustrating that waiting on hold.
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I was about to say SMS isn't an an old person trate but then I realized SMS has been around for awhile and I might be the old person.
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yeah, i do that too. SMS will be delivered and SEEN, there is no 'oh, i havent seen it' excuse. i asked a girl on a date once, using SMS and she said she hasnt seen it, and now the service provider and the glowies know about it but i know for sure that it was a no.
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My old person trait is that I always prefer physical media over streaming media.
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Is wanting kids to get off my lawn an old person's trait?
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I think people who deliver food should actually hand it to a person instead of just leaving it by the door.
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See now lots of us would much prefer not having to interact with strangers on our doorstep at all
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I am always happy when they don't. During the pandemic they placed the delivery right by the door and rang the bell. That was nice. Ordering food without any human interaction. I wish they would still do it.
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My old person trait is that anything that unnecessarily connects to the internet is suspicious and leaking my info.
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Tabs belong below the address bar on a browser, not above. Also the menu bar should always be a thing and there should be a title bar as well, not merging the two or three (including tabs) into one single bar.
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Since the content of the address bar changes when you change tabs (the same as the website itself), doesn't it make much more sense to have the tabs above the address bar? What's your reason to prefer it below?
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It's just what I grew up with and am used to mainly, plus it's a shorter mouse distance to reach the tabs from the content than having it at the top. And before you mention Fitt's Law, I have my taskbar on top so that law doesn't apply to me for tabs anyways.
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My old person trait is that I exclusively wear bathrobes unless I begrudgingly leave the house.
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- Videos should be landscape, 4:3 preferably, not portrait.
- When I turn on a computer, it should be ready (and pref say READY) in a few seconds, not minutes and need Internet access.
- Email should be fully punctuated, have correct grammar and a premise, argument, and conclusions.
- I'm tolerant on short SMS or pager texts, but if it's used as immediate mail, all texts, IM, and social media messages should also be like #3.
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My old person trait is that my knees started to pop and creak in my early 20s
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My old person trait is that I am saving money for retirement
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My old person trait is you should be able to order a "coffee", small, medium or large at Starbucks, without having to learn a new language.
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I got shingles when I was 11
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My old person trait is that I exclusively wear bathrobes unless I begrudgingly leave the house.
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Restaurant menus should be on paper, not a QR code.
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i have never stayed out past midnight and i don't plan to start any time soon. if i get drunk enough and you try to keep me out i'll literally just fall asleep somewhere.
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Turning off my phone when I got home and during week end to enjoy the moment
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Can’t upvote these enough.
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My trait is I think cars are too digital and should be analogue. Giant touch panels are distracting and have generally bad UI design. You can control an A/C with 3 dials, 4 if you have zones and don’t need to look down at all. Pinnacle of engineering.
I will never own a car that has features behind a paywall or that I can’t directly control. Computer cars are fine as long as I have root.
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My old person triat is that i dont think i owe you shit and if i ghosted you it might be for a reason.
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My old person trait is... get off my lawn you little sh*ts!!
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Even if vinyl is a big hit these days it's still my old guy trait. I just bought new high tech dampener feet for my turn table.
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Mine is that photos should ideally be printed, not stored in a cloud somewhere that you have to pay for forever or you lose them.
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The dishwasher (houses that have them) in most cases is located next to the sink. Put the dirty dishes in the dishwasher, let’s cut out the middle man.
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I have to eat dinner by 5pm
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Being annoyed by kids these days wanting this new thing called "money" in exchange for necessities
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Shut up or I stop paying your retirement home, grampa. /s
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My old person trait is that I think ‘ghosting’ is completely unacceptable and you owe the other person a face-to-face conversation.
Sadly "ghosting" is the norm where I'm from. Sadly.
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I agree to all of that...
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And I agree with you.
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Take my upvote, then.
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Old person traits vary with generation from what I'm reading
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Preferring to see people in-person rather than remote. I wasn't too happy when a bunch of my coworkers switched to remote work. It's really not the same.
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Ghosting never happened in the days when all correspondence was written
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My old person trait is being completely unwilling to use the self checkouts because they always brick out on me
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I've never had one brick out on me, but I feel like I am always making some small error that requires a worker to come help me out. Still love self check out though overall
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Yeah, once. Or 732 times but at some arbitrary number you have all the right in the world to ghost people IMO.
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Too many to choose from.
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Test
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my old person trait is that i am a 30 year old caravanner
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My old person trait thinks far left are bloody stupid, far right are slightly better.
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The 'far' anything is going to be further than you'd like. But what counts is 'far' depends on who is talking. So saying things like "the far left are bloody stupid" tells us very little, other than that you hate someone. (And saying "the far right are slightly better" suggests you are aligning yourself with a group whose identity is based on hating people...)
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I think that a basic lifestyle should be affordable for a basic person