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I am not a builder… but that does not seem right

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To verify your stud detector works you must point it to your self, make a beeping sound, turn to your significant other and tell them "I'm a stud"
- Standard dad calibration technique.
  
  I do that on my husband. He's never too amused.
- I don’t have the willpower to not make this joke to my wife.
- I do miss doing that to my ex-wife. There were those small things that I can't enjoy being single. Well. For now.
  
  Just think of all the things you can do without ever consulting someone else. Single has its perks!
- I bought one, put up to my dads back, let it beep, and said to him "i think its defective" 🤪
  
  Dad v2.0
- I taught my toddler to scan her mom (my wife) and say "look, I found a stud!"
  
  I always thought of a stud as a male horse whose main job is supplying baby horse juice. I’m guessing that’s not what you mean?
- https://xkcd.com/952/

This is some environmental storytelling right here. I see a story of an electrician, all out of appropriate lengths of wood, working past five on the night before the drywallers show up.
- That can't possibly be an actual electrician's work, can it? That's got to be the work of a homeowner who didn't know the correct way to locate an outlet in the middle of a stud bay.
  
  Nah, it's been awhile, but I've been an electrician. When you get a foreman who has made it to that special level of asshole, your give a fuck starts to run out incredibly fast. Even if you're not the kind of guy who would do this yourself, someone working with you probably is.
  With that said, I don't think this would pass code, but I'm honestly curious as to which part it violates specifically. The wire doesn't look like it's secured properly at least, but this might be one of those things where this is where they learn that they need to write some new passages.
- I had a semi related, IRL, Bethesda style enviornmental story telling 'event' involving a wall happen once.
  Back in college... I wasn't actually in this one fraternity, but was friends with almost all the guys in it, was good friends with the core group that restarted its local chapter that had been dormant for like a decade or two.
  So one day, its video games and beer, and ... well, this one room needed to be renovated, so we didn't give a fuck. One guy loses at Smash Bros, fucking fist through the wall.
  ... After he walks back a bit, we notice... wait wtf there's something... on the frame...?
  We tear out more of the wall, and no shit, there is a miniature time capsule in the form of a note saying basically 'Cheers to any future (fraternity name)'s, from the class of 1982!' ... and there is also a fucking can of Rainier ... from 1982.
  So the dude who initially Donkey Kong'd the wall gets dibs on the 30+ year old stale beer of course, downs it immediately.
  ... The funny part is that this was always supposed to have been a dry fraternity, no alcohol allowed.
  
  I hope you put a can of beer back in there with a note before you sealed it back up.

- How does it end?
  
  They probably couldn't watch Netflix that time 😔
  
  The house rolled over

That's not the worst cludge I've ever seen, but it's good and stupid alright.
But imagine, won't you, an electrical outlet box attached with directly to the oven's gas line. The outlet was for the microwave. My friend no longer lives in that condo lol
- My friend no longer lives in that condo lol
  By choice? Or by being forcibly evicted by the rapid expansion of heated gas?
  
  Who'd you say did the electrical work

Oops all studs

I am not familiar with the removing a section of drywall in order to hang a TV technique
- They probably wanted to figure out what the hell was up with that wall.
- Use stud finder (beep) move it two inches (still beep) move it further (still beep) move it again (still beep). "Stud finder must be broken" Get another stud finder (still beep but the whole section again) "I need to know what's behind this wall before I just bolt this TV to this fucking thing" (cut away the drywall) "I better make this look like something stupid for fake Internet points..."
- Thewhole "story" seems dumb. They only checkt at that exact same height and decided to open up the wall.

The stupider part is that it would be easier to stack out from the other direction.
There are 8 pieces of wood @ 1.5" each = 12" Studs are 16" on center.
So to stack from the right would be 2 pieces to be in the same place.
You can even see the gray box that opens to the wall behind it. That is attached to the stud on the right...its that close. But here I go applying logic to crazy.
- My house is over 30 years old, and the studs are 24" apart. Frustrating when I need to hang things built for 16". 😭
  
  Your house is incorrect. 16" on-center wall studs have been a thing for way more than 30 years.
  
  It hurts to even read that. I can't even imagine your frustration.
- Or just put the box 4" to the right, directly on the stud. Why on earth they thought it had to be exactly where it is is beyond me.
  
  perhaps it is centered between some further away objects and they cared about aesthetics.
- But the gray box is in the way of that solution.

Ah yes. Load bearing connector box.

Just gonna sister in another stud. And another. Juuust a few more.
- another one

It's okay, they're using that special load-bearing drywall.

If it works, is it really broken? Just add more screws.
- I know the adage "if it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid" is a thing, but this might be the exception to the rule
  
  It doesn't apply to safety items at all. Your car will function fine without seat belts.
  
  Maxim 43: If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky.
- I'm sure from a code perspective there's something wrong here, but there must have been an issue with securing it from the right, and someone saw a bunch of scrap lumber pieces and said, got an idea. It's not structural and needing to hold weight, so I'm really curious why, other than aesthetics, this is bad. Once covered by drywall, will this be some problem in the future?
  
  The OP describes the specific problem this causes. It's expected that these types of boxes are attached to studs and have void space next to them on the other side. Deviation from that pattern can cause issues with later installations expecting studs in some places and voids in others.

So is true that in the US, the walls are so weak? they can't even hold a TV?
- I don't think so. Modern homes are usually standard drywall. I live in an older home that has wood panneling as was common in the '70s. It's a bitch to hang anything with it.
  
  The popular wood panels from the 70s and 80s is typically wainscoting and that shit is hella thin
  
  drywall is how you guys call that plaster infused cardboard construction material, right?
- In the EU (or atleast my part of it), studwalls are commonly used for the inner walls of office buildings. If you want to hang anything heavy on them (like a large TV), then you need to anchor it into the studs. Studwalls are not a bad solution, but if they are build as cheap as possible, then they can indeed be very flimsy.
  I wouldn't mind having a studwall in my own home, but I would use OSB+gypsum instead of 2*gypsum to give it some additional strength. And I'd never use it for outer walls.
  
  Unless you're hanging a CRT you really don't need to bother screwing into the studs. Get the right type of plug and you can hang some pretty absurd weights from drywall, especially if most of the force is straight down like it would be with a tv mount. I really like the screw-in type plug. Easy to install, no possibility of the toggle not toggling or whatever.
  If you want to mount one of those extendo-mounts I'd probably bother to screw it into the studs though, to be fair.

NEC 314.23(B) An enclosure supported from a structural member ... shall be rigidly supported either directly or by using a ... or wood brace
NEC 314.23(B)(2) ... Wood braces shall have a cross section not less than 1"x2"
This is fine. I'm not an electrician and don't know what that is securing the romex but I assume that's approved.
I mean I guess if the inspector wants they could deny it for not being "neat and workmanlike" but they'd have to really be an asshole. Like it's weird but it's not going anywhere, not like a switch is a heavy piece of equipment. This would probably even be fine for a light.
- Since you seem to be comfortable citing the codes, what about the space between those studs? I thought it had to be a little less than the 2 feet we seem to see here.

America…land of the lawless.
- I mean all builders/electricians/plumbers are cowboys. If the task could be standardized they'd not be making bank so consistently. The job is always ad-hoc, custom, and temporary-permanent

Don't take off the panels on your electric and light switches. You'll find that they're all like this.
- It's like when I first looked into the gap in the sheetrock around my breaker panel and discovered that my basement has at least 1 (and likely many more) fully wired outlets that were just sheetrocked over at some point. I definitely would have been happier if I hadn't known that.

The Troll Handyman
- Reminds me of the troll head meme where the head copies into oblivion

Couldn't even bother to level the blocks 🙄 smh.

This is what happens when my wife goes...honey let's move the TV to the left! Its not centered. Oh that's not enough! Let's try another 1.5"! Oh! Not enough! ...not enough!.... Not enough!....
Do not marry. Its hell. But if you do, patch that wall real good.... Oh I can still see the seam! Sand it again! Yes orange peal...nope! The paint looks a little off. Paint the room!. Oh you're gonna hate me...can you move the TV another 1.5" please?
- Finally someone gets it!
- ...are you OK?
- I hope you're joking when you say your marriage is hell. If you're not, maybe consider not being married? You deserve to not live in hell.
  
  It's a joke but it is hell in many respects. I like the way my hell makes me feel.
  Like if she starts a one way conversation that extends for one hour and you don't want to be the receiver so you move a little to test the waters but then she screams at you for walking away.
  Logic says...well this wonderful person could do better with a wall. But nah! Its you! Your must listen to all the unactionable statements. Yup, that's marriage. I've been here for almost a quarter century.
  No matter what society says marriage is to make children and have them grow and become part of the society. Love is relatively new. We're more like cattle who work on things for a company and then purchase those things at a discount so they profit off that discount... Whether it is a profit based on pure time to money to money to time transactions or time to minerals to money to time transactions. The government wants you married to make children. So don't marry for that and keep it open at all times. Like the very best friendship you ever had regardless of all the god damn yada yada yada. Once she's done with that, it's all perfectly fine. Just shut down and keep the ears listening. You can mentally escape to a six flags....you're about to drop into an outside spin loop!...and so then I said to her "heck no!"...and she walked away! Can you believe it?...and you drop! Noooooooo!.....she continues.... It wasn't that exciting! LOL. Life's a cookie, take a bite...Noooo! Lemon cake!!! Fine take another bite!
- I sleep in a big bed at home with my wife

Wowzer trousers that's bad. There's even an outlet just to the left, what's that all about??
Buuut
A stud finder works by sticking to the drywall screws just under the wall paint. A stud finder wouldn't pick this up unless the hangers screws the drywall to that piece for no reason.
- They're more like depth detectors now. They dont work on magnetism, they work by detecting the ultrasonic echoes of what's behind the wall.
  
  Both kinds exist.
  It is helpful to have both.
  
  In other words they're good at knocking on the wall.
- Nah, modern stud finders can tell the difference between "drywall with stud behind it" and "drywall without stud behind it" with some rf whatever the hell it does
  
  Gnomes. Gnomes live inside and use magic to tell you where the stud is. That's show it works.
  
  Oh yeah I totally forgot about the fancy ones. Never loved using them much but I'm sure that's what the kids call "skill issue." I'll lay my life on the line defending the honor of my Stud Buddy though
- Going by the writing on the wall, it's for a 3-way dimmer switch. It also is likely the picture was taken during its install and not from someone trying to find a stud
- On top of everything else, the new outlet isn't even close to even with the old one.

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