BREAKING: Israeli authorities have beaten Greta Thunberg, made her kiss Zionist flag
BREAKING: Israeli authorities have beaten Greta Thunberg, made her kiss Zionist flag
They are the evil they claim to be fighting
Israel is a terrorist state.
Regardless of what your opinions on Palestine might be, Israel really isn't beating the allegations right now.
I remember what I learned in school about this, it was described as a territory dispute between two equal belligerents. Maybe that was true 30 years ago, I don't know, but it really doesn't describe what's going on right now.
The war is over. Israel won, Palestine barely even exists anymore. This is the part where you're supposed to facilitate aid and win over the losers to your side. dafuq flavor of genocide you dune Israel?
of course, nobody who needs to read this will ever see it. I'm just upset that this kind of thing can even happen in current year.
Of course the second, I'm looking at current events like it's still 2015. not sure why I'm doing that, but fuck does current events make me miss 2015.
it was described as a territory dispute between two equal belligerents. Maybe that was true 30 years ago
It was never true. Israel has had the upper hand since it was founded. Colonialist oppressors always hold their positions through overwhelming force. Israel is no exception.
Israel is evil
Wow, Israel really is the only democracy in the Middle East!
With the most moral army in the world no less
Zionist gaslighting is second to none.
Israel to Nazis: When I left you I was but the learner now I am the master.
For those of you doubting the claims for lack of evidence, stating that you'll "wait for the facts" or evidence before allowing yourslf to be outraged—
Where is your outrage for the countless other people who were there who personally testified to being beaten, abused, and paraded around like trophies?
There are already multiple interviews with Chris Smalls, a black American labor organizer, who directly confirmed that he had been beaten, choked, packed like a sardine into a small cell, sleep deprived, strip searched, and completely brutalized by the Israeli navy and prison system.
Ask yourself—why does this need to have happened to the appropriately aged, white, European female on a 4k, live streamed or recorded feed with corroborating testimony by the Israelis and the national newspapers of the country of origin of the supposed victim—why is that the bar you've set for credulity?
What does that say about you or your reaction to the situation?
Wake. Up.
Fuck the details, fuck the squabbling over what constitutes "roughness" versus physical assault. Fuck the inclination to want to hear "the other side" of the story. Things are going horribly wrong in Israel/Palestine—in a place that we've all been told over and over is supposed to be demonstrably above reproach. If even half these claims are true—if even a single one of them is true—what GOOD is it preserving the supposed beacon of democracy in the middle east when they treat foreigners this way?
Even if you think these activists are mentally unwell, or menaces, or being performative, or just doing this for "selfies"—so what? We all know these activists are obviously not terrorists and at least some of them genuinely believe what they are doing. None of this justifies their treatment. Nothing justifies the richest and proudest countries on earth—however much you might agree with that claim—what GOOD is that if our prisons condemn people to absolute squalor and abandonment to the whims of their guards?
HOW is this any different from the indignity camps? These peoples possessions were seized as trophies , their clothes taken, their bodies crammed together like chattel. Do there need to be ovens for there to be discernable lines? Must you feel the radiant heat on your own brows before you'll indulge the sensation that something isn't right here?
Wake. Up.
Waiting for the facts is a pretty sensible move in most situations.
You'll never act when you need to if that's your bar to action.
Well yeah, but we've got plenty of facts already. Decades of facts, in fact.
It's like climate change. Yes, we're constantly learning new things, but the fact that we are in crisis is not disputable.
We have more than enough facts to condemn and convict Israel and Netanyahu of crimes against humanity.
Not if Israel is not allowing in journalists. Every testimony against Israel is 100% true because they refuse to let people check.
At this point in time everything Israel and Netanyahu do is sus, so 'waiting for the facts' is just an excuse to do nothing.
I'm never going to say don't wait for facts.
But the issue is that "the facts" can take years to assertain... Sometimes there's a lot of damage that can be done.
It's a delicate balance. People weaponize "wait for the facts" to just delay and dull the impact. Like most things, it's not black and white.
I don't think saying "most" is the best application here.
This is OLD news, their genociding has been going-on for years, now.
"comically", the Jewish book of Jeremiah, & the Jewish book of Isaiah, both speak of Israel turning anti-God, & then getting G-D's wrath torching it..
IF that biblical-rule still holds, THEN Netanyahu's "Israel" is getting torched, soon.
Simply wait & see: if that torching does happen, then their God made it happen, according to their scripture, right?
Here's facts, for the ideological to ignore/deny: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1422308/palestinian-territories-israel-number-fatalities-and-injuries-caused-by-the-israel-and-hamas-war/
Israeli identity is rooted on genociding/exterminating multiple-nations, thousands of years ago:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+20%3A17&version=CJB orders the EXTERMINATION of 6 nations, & another of their books identifies that it was 7 exterminations, not 6, they were to enforce.
Genociding/exterminating/holocausting isn't a new behavior for Israel.
Doing it in the name of "zionism" is new, but genociding isn't new.
I'd never have guessed this, having grown-up in 2 religions: medical-science & Catholicism,
but the book "The Alphabet Versus the Goddess" by Leonard Shlain identified that the original holocausting was done by the Jews, & I went & checked in the bible, & yep.. there it was..
what Shlain didn't notice, probably because of being Jewish, was that the Catholic Inquisitors were Latin-educated, which also corroborates his point that getting populations to be left-hemisphere-dominant forces ideological-rabies..
What is the root-cause, though? Want experience-induced-undersanding which vastens one's mind?
Work-through, not-merely-read, it is the DOing which produces the experience-of-sentience-transformation, Betty Edwards' "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, the 4th, Definitive Edition", but use charcoals, which makes it much easier to experience the hemisphere-dominance-shift..
See this gallery?
https://www.drawright.com/before-after
That SHOWS the difference-in-MIND of hemisphere-dominance-shift: it is EVIDENCE.
Being an autistic blockhead, it took me 3y, not 5d, to experience that shift, because fighting the woodenness-of-my-brain made me want to scream..
Anyways, all who pretend that "there is no evidence for hemisphere-dominance-shift", are people who won't do the experiment, so .. they can shove their ideology .. wherever their egos are, to keep their egos company.
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Ideology, specifically symbol-anchored ideology, is prone to rabies/genociding, exactly as Shlain identified, throughout human history.
R-Mind isn't prone to rabies/genociding.
Exactly as Marshall McLuhan, the ultra-genius who forsaw telework around 1953, it isn't possible for people who grew-up literate to understand what illiterate-culture's story-river sentience is, or means..
His stupendous insight is embodied in "The Medium Is The mAssage", strange-capitalization is mine, but the spelling is his!
The medium of electric-technology, as he called it, is modular, & it forms minds into modularity!
The medium of story-river isn't modular, & forms minds into holding-onto eternal story-river, because that's their greatest treasure: it is who they are that they are holding-onto!
There's no way to imagine being in sooo-different a kind of sentience.
Precisely the same impossibility-of-understanding-the-difference is true, with hemisphere-dominance-shift: it isn't possible to imagine within-1-sentience-kind, what any other-sentience-kind means/is/feels-like!
Hofstadter's "Godel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" was also on this single point, from a totally-different angle:
Formal-systems, ideologies, prejudices, & "religions", all are AXIOM-BASED knowing: and evidence is powerless to falsify them!
One has to choose between 2 mutually exclusive knowing-paradigms: self-consistency/axiom-based, .. XOR .. completeness/universe-centered.
Godel's Theorem of Incompleteness mathematically proved that self-consistency CANNOT be complete-knowing of universe!
Anyways, back to sentiences:
IF one never even experiences one's own brain's hemisphere-dominance-shift, THEN one dies ignorant of AN ENTIRE DIMENSION of one's own sentience!
The fact that alphabetic-language/left-hemisphere-polarization also consistently produces more genociding, builds on that as evidence that limiting ourselves to a specific-subset-of-our-potential creates distorted-psyche.. & distorted-behavior/society.
I ask everyone, as Betty Edwards asked everyone, please DO THE EXPERIMENT, & EXPERIENCE the resultant sentience-shift, your own self, & KNOW what that sentience-shift feels-like,
& when one does, THEN Shlain's book turns into fluorescent, & screaming, warning, about the consequences of blocking-out the other-half of our brains.
People who experience both kinds of sentience, regularly, don't do what the ideologues are doing with our world!
That the mode-of-mind that the polarized-in-symbols people are demonstrating, with its ideological-genociding, is a distortion.
It is a mind-distortion that WE have been educated into!
Cut the root of the distortion, by directly-experiencing it oneself!
Here: I'll give you the links to the books, themselves.. ( none of these are "affiliate" links: machiavellianism-narcissism can go eat rocks : )
https://www.drawright.com/bettys-books
https://www.drawright.com/try-an-exercise
https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/drawing-on-the-right-side-of-the-brain
https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/the-alphabet-versus-the-goddess-the-conflict-between-word-and-image
No ebook version for McLuhan's stunningly-important insight, so here's the paperback: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=marshall+mcluhan+medium+massage
ditto for GEB: https://www.amazon.com/G%C3%B6del-Escher-Bach-Eternal-Golden/dp/0465026567/
( for both the paperbacks, I read the original edition, decades ago, so I hope that you're getting a version that hasn't pruned-out any of the important stuff! GEB, the 2nd edition adds an explanatory preface, so that's the only change, but for McLuhan's, I've no idea what changed between editions )
Anyways, genociders gaslighting about what they're doing, as Russia has been demonstrating, & Israel has been demonstrating, & as the US of A will shortly be more-completely-demonstrating, once Trump stops vascillating in his nature/unconscious-mind, & becomes like Putin & Netanyahu completely ( might take only weeks/months, now, for that transformation to complete ) is well-established and normal among our world's left-hemisphere-polarized minds,
AND evidence showing what's actuality, is abundant, including before-after video of Palestinian cities.
Reject evidence if you want, & pretend that no evidence counts unless it is .. authorized by the gaslighters who're doing the genociding, if that's what "standard" you hold to be true:
I've encountered enough people who do that that now I know it's a real thing..
I've also encountered the ones who insist that unless Israel authorizes Palestinian-deaths to be actual, they they're only lies/delusions made-up to falsely-accuse Israel.
Sorry, but the photographic & video-evidence has been falsifying that gaslighting all along, & I'm not obedient to such evil-machiavellianism, anymore: age has benefits, including spine-produced-by-cynicism.
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You completely misunderstood my point or have lead clogging your ears.
How many facts are enough facts? Mm? All the facts? Not a single fact missing, not a single rock left unturned before reaching a conclusion?
At what angle does the sun have to reach before you conclude it's daytime? Do you need it to reach its peak, at noon, and feel the warmth on your skin? Does it need to completely dip below the horizon for you to concede a day has passed? Of course, at that point you'll surely say, "Ah ha! See! The sun is no longer in the sky and so it is not daytime!"
It seems that you believe conclusions only arrive from deduction. That's a cowardly way of rolling about in this world, since all your conclusions must be guaranteed rather than reasoned through logical inference.
"Sensible"—ha! Thinking by "sense" alone squanders the powers of reason wherein conclusions may be formed at the risk of not yet being fully grounded in immediate observation, which is how I can confidently infer—despite the thorough stone turning upon which you'd undoubtedly insist—that you are not a sex-haver.
Don't hold your breath, facts are what they feed the media, why do you think something like the feddi verse has to exist...you should see the cess pool of mainstream social media at any giventime...you'd be surprised how this human race is still even here and didn't wipe each other out
Agreed, or at least wait for Greta to tell us herself.
Funny how people did the exact same thing regarding the concentration camps the Nazis operated. People chose not to believe the reports they heard from the inside regarding the horrendous and deadly conditions. They "waited for the facts" which of course did not come out until after several years of grinding gruelling war, and well after the final solution began and the gas chambers were operational.
There's evidence enough as it all stands right now to know that Greta is being tortured and abused, and her human rights violated, as we know so many Palestinians have already been for decades and continue to be every day. Hell, the Israeli officials are constantly publicly bragging about the violations of human rights and international law they're committing, so maybe even listen to them when they do so?
live streamed or recorded feed
I doubt you'll find those... they're not stupid.
Although I disagree, my point was more so a rhetorical one about the cynical/skeptical people chiming in to assert an absurdly high bar for people to clear in order for any concern about the current state of affairs in Israel to merit attention.
Zios literally said they were going to do this.
Where is the outrage over the hostages Hamas has taken and have beaten and raped? If you're outraged over unconfirmed reports of a person being treated this way, shouldn't you also be outraged that Hamas does these things? Or is acceptable to treat people of certain ethnicities in this way?
I dont have words for how stupid your take is. Like I can't think of a way to describe it you, because this is so intellectually shallow that it would take to long to even get you to understand that two things can be true at the same time.
Oh man I'm sure Israeli forces would never do any of that!
Wait no that's apparently standard practices for the most moral army in the world
Where's your evidence of Hamas's attrocities ??
Almost certainly an AI generated response. opinion disregarded
Lol, you're just too illiterate to want to read anything longer than two sentences long.
Lazy fuck.
Israel is a rogue terrorist state.
The one case where we could use a little regime change
The most expected outcome of the expedition.
Exactly the kind of thing Israel would do. Very consistent and predictable of them.
Fuck israehell ! Free Palestine 🕊
Israel has apparently said this in response to the situation:
I don't see how that's consistent with them murdering civilians in Gaza.
Because they don't see civilians in Gaza as people.
They literally call Palestinians (not Hamas, Palestinians) "human animals" and "vermin", just like the NAZIs used to literally say that Jews and Roma were "subhuman" and "vermin".
Let's be honest, they don't really see non Jews as people either. Zionist ideology is based on Jewish supremacy. They see Christian evangelical Americans as useful idiots. Everyone else is beneath them.
Religion is an excuse for violence. Prove me wrong.
Ironically, Zionism is an ideology founded by atheist Jews
Religion is just another excuse for violence.
The NAZIs put the Roma People in the same category as Jews - so, to be exterminated as an ethnicity ("curiously" there are no Oscar Winning films about the plight of the Roma People, nor has Germany tried to make amends with them) - and yet they tend to be Christians, same as the NAZIs.
Ethno-Fascists regimes are dominated by Psychopaths and Sociopaths, and these people don't care about Religion beyond it's immense utility as a tool to manipulate other people.
Everything else is just busywork, but It's always been about control and violence.
Maybe religions are an excuse for trying to achieve certain political goals. E.g. a Christian in the USA might say "we have to ban abortion because God says abortion is wrong". And a settler Jew in Israel might say "we have to occupy the West Bank because God says that land belongs to Jews". And a conservative Muslim might say "women should not be allowed to drive because God says so".
Always has been.
While I wouldn't wish this on anyone, it's amazing how self-destructive this is. Greta is an internationally famous activist. Flagrantly violating and abusing a person with world renown - along with dozens of other activists - is a radically stupid way to hasten international isolation.
It is well known by most in Israel that the country simply cannot function in isolation. It will lead to collapse. In this, they are giving the flotilla far more power to eventually overthrow the ruling regime.
They just assume Uncle Sam will bail them out, no matter what. They are not wrong, much to the frustration of a large portion of the US population.
The Americans are not the reliable partner they used to be.
There's no assumption: it's a known fact.
Thats on borrowed time. Money to isreal is one of the only issues left and right agree with. Someone is going to take advantage of that eventually and isrela is gonna get disconnected from the US teet
Uncle Sam has Congestive Heart Failure. Their position is tenuous to be generous.
They have done worse to other protestors and faced zero accountability:
There are reports from American doctors who worked in Gaza of Palestinian babies being regularly shot in the head.
That was reported during the Biden administration.
Israel is murdering babies, and it hasn't affected their support. Why would this matter?
Palestinian babies
Plenty of people in The WestR don't consider them worthy of empathy, but a white woman of small stature who first became famous as a child might be a different story. We need a mass worldwide cultural shift to identifying all humans as part of the in group or we aren't going to make it through this century.
I should clarify what I mean a bit.
I'm not saying that brutalizing Greta Thunberg is the straw that is going to break the camel's back. I'm saying that it's an escalation of a pattern of behavior that I think is very likely leading toward a collapse of the zionist project at some point in the next decade.
The testimony of those doctors is absolutely part of the same pattern of behavior. And while a lot of folks have looked at the continuing genocide and concluded that clearly, nothing has mattered and nothing will, I believe it has, and it will.
It's hard to describe succinctly, but Israel today is far, far, FAR weaker than Israel 5 years ago. There is an inertia that lets them feign invincibility, but the country is truly in times without precedent. The longest war since its establishment was 118 days in '82. So much of the assumptions on which Israel relies -- constant readiness, bipartisan US support, the total support of Europe, constant Jewish immigration, a strong labor force, a booming tourism industry -- is in shambles. Internal divisions are rending their society apart. Their economy, international influence, and social institutions are in crisis.
In this context, this continued loss of an ability or willingness to be discrete in their atrocities really does bolster my conviction that in the next five years the country is going to collapse.
Unlike many, I don't say this lightly or with glee. I just say it because it's what I foresee.
While I wouldn’t wish this on anyone, it’s amazing how self-destructive this is. Greta is an internationally famous activist. Flagrantly violating and abusing a person with world renown - along with dozens of other activists - is a radically stupid way to hasten international isolation.
You'd be correct most of the time, but this is Israel we are talking about. They know there won't be any consequences because claiming they did something wrong must mean you're a nazi, and even if you get over that, daddy USA is there to protect them anyway.
Israel could livestream a soldier killing Greta and they would face no consequences whatsoever.
They've gone so far over every red line that it literally doesn't matter anymore at this point. They're literally destroying an entire population - genocide - in full view of the world. What is some maltreatment of an activist in the face of all that? If indiscriminately bombing preschools and blowing up children with drones doesn't manage to do it, what will?
Remember when Elon Musk did a nazi salute on the world stage for all to see? Remember how we were trying to rationalize what the hell he was thinking? The simplest answer is that nazis at some point just can't help themselves and they end up saluting because they love doing it, they just need to show people who they are.
Same logic I think applies here. Yes it is self-defeating, yes, it is stupid, and yes, it is gratuitous and dangerous. But these people working Ben Gvir's prisons? This is who they are. It's horrifically simple. The people working the Israeli prison system are low level functionaries of apartheid. These are not people who think in terms of strategy etc. If they had the capacity to think like that they wouldn't be there. It's as simple as that.
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With some of the politicians in power these days, it will be pushed as finally putting an end to her climate lies or some other bullshit culture war topic.
I don't think any law or any order is actually a thing anymore.
If trying to exterminate a whole population did not do anything, I doubt abusing Thunberg will change things
Genuienly, how is it self destructive?
Is this the red line that's going to result in...
... anything negative happening to Israel?
Probably not, no.
What, is somebody go to war with Israel and the US over Greta, not hundreds of thousands being starved shot blown up and lit on fire?
It is intentional. They want to flaunt their power. Look at what we can do and nobody will stop us.
It's not. Nothing will change, the west will keep supporting israel while pretending not to
There's also a considerable portion of the world who hates Greta and is probably cheering them on. The first news story I saw pop up about Greta being kidnapped said Israel was doing the world a favour...
There are also many like us who don't know who she is.
Supremacists gonna supremacist.
You make a good point. I think sadly it will not rise to the point of actual effect. It will inflame people who support her, and those folks are likely already inflamed over Gaza. Many others don’t give a shit about her or actively hate her, and they will either gloss over this or say “that’s what you get” or even “good.”
My own mother, who is a feminist and wildlife advocate, loves to repost FB memes about her being an unrealistic virtue signalling twat who perfoms a low-carbon image while still not living up to the humble standards of the elbow-grease-powered older generations. It’s sad. Greta is incredibly polarizing, and some people just hate her for being young and idealistic.
On the whole I don’t see this affecting anything. We live in an era of mutually exclusive mental models of reality and they can be incredibly well insulated.
We also have no evidence any of this happened. It is easy to make propaganda when we want to believe it.
It is also probably not true. Especially if one consider what you pointed out
The article attributes it's claims to credible sources. Do you have evidence to the contrary, or just believe what suits you?
Fuck Israel. Free Palestine.
Right wing religious nutters are well known for treating people like shit. The modern violence, on those dried rocks, originates from around 1917. Albert Einstein is 100% correct.
She’s still a little kid. They made her suffer.
I think that's needlessly infantilizing her. She's 22. She's not a "little kid". I think she's old enough for her opinions to carry weight, so how is she a "little kid"?
The youth should have their opinions respected too.
I'm not going to take political opinions from a 3 year old, which is about what I'm thinking when someone says "little kid". Teenagers, like she was when she got famous, can have enough context about the world that their opinions, particularly about things like sustainability, equality, etc, are valid.
I absolutely think of 22 as a little kid, but I was there when the last Woolly Mammoth died, so it’s somewhat relative.
Idk, to me "little kid" means "not in school yet". It's the "little" that makes the difference, compared to just calling someone a kid or kiddo.
Well someone who is above 40 will probably think of her as a little kid while someone who 28 for example will probably think that they are close in age. Though this doesn't matter no one deserves to be treated like this regardless of age.
There's 150 comments in this one post, having a couple about this one thing - which I also thought was off - is fine and good.
It's ok for people to point out bad things in something you agree with overall.
I'm sorry, I just think that the zionist actions are bad by default but news articles shouldn't minimize the people that defy them?
Depends on how old the person saying that. I'm only in my late 30's and anyone in their early 20's does feel like a kid. Yes, 22 is an adult, but you've barely just scratched the surface of life experiences.
I agree. There are also a lot of older people on the flotilla and Greta’s age and mannerism could easily lead someone to refer to her in this framing. There are probably people on those boats who have grandkids her age and absolutely have kids her age or older.
Thing is, the older people get, the more selfish they seem to get too. The entire world burning down in 10 years doesn't matter if you're 98. So more life experience isn't automatically more credible.
I feel that anyone in their 30s is a child.
You've only had 15 years at being an adult what would you know
What do you mean it's not 2015??? /s
Bruh, reminds me of the stories I heard about ww2 when the imperial japanese army invaded my homeland China, they would force people to kneel and sing the japanese national anthem under the threat of execution if people didn't comply. Its so evil disgusting villainy.
The irony (for anyone not clear on it or not catching it) is that the Israeli military forced the captives to wrap themselves in the flag of Israel—which prominently features the star of David—so that soldiers could take pictures of them that could be circulated to humiliate the activists.
Where else have we heard of people being forced to wear the star of David so that everyone could point and laugh and humiliated them?
Israeli soldiers are so eager to "tea bag" their enemies with their own flag that they're unable to see the irony.
I mean no offense on the whole, but its quite ironic given the reports on how they treat Uyghur folks.
...Kinda like Israel's irony here. And the US, and, you know, a whole lot of countries right now. Trauma tends to get passed down, it seems.
Idk why this is treated as though its so inconceivable. Greta is hated by conservatives around the world. Most countries have already condemned Israel. They only care what Trump's regime thinks. Their prisons are notorious centers of physical emotional and sexual torture. This is relatively mild treatment in comparison to many of the accounts I've read. It's still awful, but if they were going to invent a story about how vile the Israeli prison guards were, this wouldnt be noteworthy in any way. Barely even scratches the surface of the things that happen in those prisons.
English really needs to stop calling the right wing "conservatives". We don't call them that in other languages, and they literally don't try to conserve things, but instead always seek to destroy.
I prefer "reactionary," because it accurately describes their political philosophy and tactics.
Also, it really pisses them off.
Not all the right wing is conservative of course and you are right about it, but you are wrong about the meaning of conservative, being a conservative mean those who in politics uphold the value of tradition, oppose any progressive ideology, and aim to preserve traditional social and political structures
Presumably because anyone with half a brain would realize that she should have gotten a far more diplomatic treatment regardless of how much of a genocidal asshole they were. The fact that she is getting treated this way shows how far Israel has devolved to and how much more people people should be protesting any interaction with the country.
Unfortunately, it isn't the only Middle East country who behaves like shit, whom people in other countries have protested, and whom their governments don't care. But at least the fiction of what Israel was trying to project itself as has toppled considerably.
Of course she deserved better treatment. So did Sophie Scholl. It's just very odd to act like this is not a believable thing that Israel, famed mass murderers of children, would do.
Israel hasn't devolved, the state was founded on acts of colonialist genocide. This is what the state of Israel has always been.
And Greta isn't the only person claiming that they did awful, abusive, hateful things. Chris Smalls got it, too.
Chris Smalls gave a chilling interview with Amy Goodman where he basically said that the Israelis treated him worse than he's been treated in his entire life as a black man in America. That's saying a lot.
The full interview.
They abused her less than some other people so it is ok. What kind of dumb logic is that?
Where did i say it was okay? It is abhorrent. I said that if they were going to invent a story about her graphic torture, this abuse is comparatively minor compared with other accounts from Israeli prisons.
Breaking: terrorists behave like terrorists
Fuck Israel completely. No one cares about you anymore or anything that has ever happened to you. Fuck you
This is another pivotal moment. WE can speak out and make our elected officials (wherever we are in the world) KNOW that their political careers and their parties future depends upon their actions.
You do not govern their careers. They know it and they do not care
Only because we have abdicated our power. We can take it back.
That commenter said "we", not "I".
Are you saying that we—collectively—don't bear any democratic responsibility for the people that we elect to office? Or are you cynically implying that the original poster has no power over the situation?
I don't get the sense that you're trying to attack that person, but what do you gain from public displays of cynicism to remind people that they are powerless?
If nothing then please reconsider. 🙁
Heads should roll. Quite literally. That is the only message they will understand.
You do not govern their careers. They know it and they do not care
Israel is a fucking terrorist country. IDF is a new SS. They are new Nazi.
"Never again" meant "Never again to us" for the ZioNazis.
They will never live this down either. Netanyahu's government has destroyed Israeli reputation for decades to come.
And if you know the history of Zionism, then you'll know that both the Zionist and National Socialist parties in pre-WWII Germany and Europe complemented each other.
The Nazis got going before the Zions did, but both are siblings of each other.
The Zions have had time to more perfect their fascism tho
Cowards
If true, fuck Israel.
If not, then still fuck Israël.
I'm going to wait for a source I've heard of on that one.
Much better. Shitty conditions and some kind of flag parade were definitely included. The beating bit is less clear, and a bigger claim since actually producing deliberate, visible injuries would be a dangerous move on their part.
I saw that earlier and it's really shitty that they have her in a cell that is giving her rashes (probably from bedbugs) and that they're doing some stupid thing with flags. She did nothing wrong.
Still not the same magnitude of what is described in the X "quote" which has zero sources and no way to verify their translation, for me anyway.
The X quote which has zero source that lines up with it:
“They [Israelis] dragged little Greta [Thunberg] by her hair before our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her, as a warning to others,”
Same, it's a tweet of one guy, who might use this to cause an outrage. I'll wait for Greta's statement about this
Yep, I called that they would torture her, though that was 4 months back on a previous flotilla.
People downvoted that, with no explanation.
You got three downvotes and three upvotes. It's not that big of deal.
Its funny that you think I personally care about what people generally think of my opinions.
Its terrifying that you don't realize that anyone who downvoted that was confident the notion of me stating something that would probably eventually happen was... not likely, not the case, for some reason... but they were also too lazy to explain why they thought that.
There have been a lot of libs coming over to lemmy ever since the crackdowns on reddit. Among... Others
Yeah I've noticed a lot of the engagement to what's said here is similar to r/worldnews a lot of the time. There just needs to be more communities on other instances so we don't have to deal with the enlightened centrism that dominates reddit on here too and the libs can have their own space aswell
Yeah, like most of the .world mods.
You response to this news is to complain about having been down voted? I can't imagine why
Are you 12?
Once again the people who were right are mocked and the the people who were wrong just live without considering the future.
Al Jazeera has a different report. They say she was dragged, not beaten.
I cannot understand the language spoken in that X video, there is no translation, and there are no free publicly available no-login X.com video translation options that I can find.
Additionally I cannot find the cnn turk video from this activist on the internet anywhere but this x link.
I would be very surprised if they actually did what this post describes because everyone would be outraged. She's a sweetheart and so many eyes are watching what they do.
because everyone would be outraged
People who heard the story and voice of Hind Rajab and weren't outraged would not be outraged by anything. They would at most do what you just did: deny the monsters who shoot kids in the head would do anything to an adult they publicly stated they will treat the way they treat Palestinians hostages.
I ran the X video through a translation app using Turkish to English and got this, which doesn't really say much. Guessing the translation is terrible.
The translation I got from the video clip in the OP x post is:
"They're all politicians. They all tried to treat us like bugs, but they treat everyone like that. They tortured greta very badly in front of our eyes. Get up."
"Evet"[sic]
Guessing this^ was an error in my translation app.
"They persecuted Greta. Greta is still a little child."
"They killed them. They made them kiss the israeli flag. So they did the same thing as the nazis"
Maybe someone who speaks turkish or whatever language is being spoken can help us understand the beating claim, because so far there is no source for that.
—All of them, [including the] politicians, they attempted to treat us like insects and they treated everyone the same. They heavily tortured Greta before our very eyes.
—Really?
—Yes. They were very cruel to Greta. Greta is but a little child. They dragged her, made her kiss the Israeli flag. I mean, they did the same things the Nazis did.
I think the torture he's talking about is the dragging and forcing her to kiss the flag but the reporter also seems to think a sort of harsher torture and i think that's why he uses "being cruel" when continued.
Here's the text if anyone wants to run it through other translation software.
—Hepsi, siyasetçisi, hepsi bize böyle böcek muamelesi yapmaya kalktılar ama herkese böyle davranıyorlar. E, Greta'ya çok ağır işkence yaptılar, gözlerimizin önünde.
—Gerçekten mi?
—Evet. Greta'ya zulmettiler. Küçücük çocuk daha Greta. Onu süründürdüler, İsrail bayrağını öptürdüler. Yani Naziler ne yaptıysa aynısını yaptılar.
thecanary is not a reliable news site. They're effectively the daily mail of the left.
I dont understand how this shit gets upvoted so high....
Its the same thing maga people do: "the mainstream media is biased, so i'll just get my news from random blogs and websites...."
lemmy has become the lefty version of this
It's insane that journalist still fucking link to x.com which cannot be viewed by any body. Might as well link 127.0.0.1
Is the guardian a less respected source then el jazzira?
israel has reached terminal rogue state status: they don’t give a fuck what their image is, they know they’ve got the backing of the imperial core no matter what, so they don’t even bother with excuses anymore
death to israel and to all of those who support its genocide
Congratulations Israel, I permahate you now
don't kill the messenger, i am pretty upset by this. :(
No no no, not you! Very sorry ! I hate Israel.
If this is true this is some crazy shit. She just wanted to feed hungry people and fight for climate change. And they do all this shit to her?
What the fuck is wrong with human beings this past decade?
Pieces of shit being called out for being pieces of shit aren't usually reasonable people to begin with. Give them an inkling of power and authority and this is what happens.
May anyone who supports Israel burn in hell for all eternity.
Fuck all Abrahamic religions.
Fuck religion, not sure why you need to qualify that.
Im not a fan of religion but there are certainly some that dont have a track record of harm and seem to bring great solace to practitioners
The problem is not judaism or any other abrahamic religion, but zionism, which is a a ethno-religious supremacist ideology not inherent to judaism.
Unfortunately we have seen many instances throughout history of ethno-religious supremacist ideology, specifically around abrahamic beliefs. Would removing such belief systems from society remove all hate and violence, of course not. But I'd argue that we would be in a better place as a society. Maybe if we weren't trying to prove whose god was more right or whose belief was more righteous we could have a more just, loving, and peaceful society.
This kind of new atheist rhetoric is a distraction at best.
The actual problem is zionism.
Why not both?
Zionism being a problem doesn't mean actual organized religions (not idealized theoretical ones that don't exist) aren't a problem.
New kind is funny af like this site isn't former reddit refugees
All roads lead to Rome
It's so bizarre to see religious people fighting for the lives and dignity of their brothers and sisters abroad greater with the same scorn as zealots inflicting brutality and terror.
Blaming the abuser and the victim in equal measure because they both... what? Hold to a superstition?
Kiss a four leaf clover before you lay down your life to break a genocidal blockade and suddenly you're no better than a mass murderer.
Terrorism
As an aside- does the article's source (thecanary.co) have anything to do with Canary Mission? I would assume not, based on the content, but what's with the common bird theme?
The site's name is a ref to: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-canary-coal-mine-story-how-real-life-animal-helper-became-just-metaphor-180961570/
Oh, I see. Thanks.
Bloody f&cking hell
Mate, ya allowed to say fuck.
"They dragged little Greta (Thunberg) by her hair in front of our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her as a warning to others.
She’s still a little kid. They made her suffer"
I seriously doubt this is true.
and
Greta Thunberg is 22.
Why do you doubt this is true?
Other than the kid part
stop just commenting here on lemmy. Get your social media accounts back. Add each other. Post this stuff everywhere. Take back all these spaces. It's like 15 minutes of work to actually accomplish something instead of just being mad. If you're willing to protest but can't be bothered to create a login then there's something wrong. Posting content is a form or protesting in today's world.
The platforms you have in mind are not neutral spaces that we could "take back". The architecture of these networks actively works against us. They are designed to promote right-wing liberal propaganda, at the very least. We can't win there. It's a fight against windmills. It's better to encourage the people around you to switch to the Fediverse.
How? You're wrong entirely. It's a numbers game. Always has been. Their algorithm only tries to suppress it. It can't stop it. Right now the architecture works in our favor it just takes numbers. Which is why they invested so much in making leftist retreat and delete their accounts. It's why you said what you just said. They don't want you showing up with numbers like we use to. This is a game of repetition. People are influenced and change opinion only when they are faced with an overwhelming number of that one opinion every day. So they convinced us to remove ourselves and not fight back.
Is there a video or anything? What the source
The source is by a Turkish flotilla member that has been released. No corroboration as of yet.
These are completely the justified actions of a state operating with the highest of intentions /s
Most moral army
Why are they quoting this activist calling her a "little kid" That's really insulting.
That this kind of thing is happening shows this is a military force of thugs with no strong leadership or discipline.
If I'm not mistaken, the guy is a Turkish journalist. I'm not Turkish, but I wouldn't be surprised if they use something that in English would be translated as "little kid" to mean basically any young person, including young adults. We do this too in Greek, and we're related enough culturally. In that case it's not infantilisation, it's cherishing of youth.
I didn't realize internationals were involved in the flotillas and really thought the name drop made this the onion for sure
Wow she had it coming
Yeah how dare she bring food, water and medical supplies to an ongoing famine in a city that has been continuously bombarded with missiles for multiple years straight! Shows her for trying to do some good in this world!
If you are being stupid then ya, she knows she will get arrested. She is a rich white girl that's why why is doing shit like this otherwise she would have been shot long ago.
This whole flotilla thing was a propganda mission (everyone knew the boats were never going to get to Gaza), those participating are going to say anything to promote anti-Israel propaganda.
Geta Thunberg is 22 years old, she's an adult. The "little Greta" bullshit is really grating. To be clear no one (whether an adult or a child) should be treated in the ways that have been alleged (which is how Hamas treats their prisoners, where's the outrage over that?) but come on people, stop playing it up like Thunberg is a child. It just makes it obvious that she's being used as a prop in their propaganda.
Geta Thunberg is 22 years old, she’s an adult. The “little Greta” bullshit is really grating.
I remember when i was 22 years old. i was basically a teenager with adult responsibility.
which is how Hamas treats their prisoners, where’s the outrage over that
We expect more from a country that is supposed to be a western style liberal democracy.
"anti-Israel propaganda" ?
🤣😹😝😆🫠🤣🙃😸🤣
All the "propaganda" is coming from Israel, and it isn't anti-Israel.
If it was a propaganda mission why did Israel not just let them arrive and give aid to Gaza? The outrage of Hamas treating its prisoners how Israel treats their? It has been everywhere, so much so Israeli bootlickers like you use it as an excuse for genocide.
Because it's a warzone and not a safe place for civilians. They've made efforts to get civilians out of areas where there's heavy fighting to parts of Gaza where food and aid can be distributed. There's plenty of food and aid, the problem isn't lack of aid, the problem is distributing it in the middle of a war. This is exceedingly difficult because of Hamas Nakba propaganda threats of violence to prevent civilians from leaving areas where there's heavy fighting. Obviously Hamas wouldn't survive very long if they didn't have their human shields. You could walk from on end of the Gaza strip to the other in about 8 hours, so why is it a problem for civilians to get out of the parts of Gaza where there's heavy fighting? Because nothing is easy in a war.
So no it's not "let's just rock up to Gaza with a bunch of food, problem solved!" It's a war, you're either going to be adding more food to a pile in a place where people aren't going to get it, or there's a high probability you'll be killed because you're in a place where there's heavy fighting going on. This isn't CoD game where devs made it impossible to kill civilians unless you install an "I'm an evil monster" mod that allows you to do so. Bullets, shells, missiles, drones going every which way. Bullet from an IDF misses it's target it might hit you and you're dead. Also a bullet from Hamas might miss it's target and hit you and you're dead. Hamas dresses like civilians (except when there's a ceasefire, then they have no problem finding their uniforms) so an 18 year old in a firefight might think you're the Hamas guy that was just shooting at him and you're dead because you happened to be wearing the same clothes as a Hamas guy. This is a war against Hamas, an adversary that will use your death to further their propaganda, so they aren't going to keep you safe (more the opposite) in the places they operate and those are the places where the food is needed.
So yeah, it was a propaganda mission designed to get everyone detained by the IDF so they could produce more propaganda. It was never about getting food to Palestinians.
Why would you think Israel would want there to be more civilians in a warzone? Why would you want more civilians in a warzone? There's a lot of ghouls that actually want Greta Thunberg to get killed by the IDF since it would be a big boost to their propaganda. Are you one of these ghouls?
Is it possible that greta herself was provocing the israelis? She doesnt seem to be the type to sit silent. And she probably feels like they cant do anything to her, because of her fame.
NOBODY should EVER be imprisoned, starved, and forced to kiss things. Hope you can sit silent if that happens to you. Absolute useless person blaming the victim.
You are like those wife beaters defenders. She provoked her husband so her husband has to abuse her
I really hope no one ever dates you, you're a bigger red flag than the USSR
Tell me again how you’re a middle aged white man
Kiss the flag.
😘🇮🇱
Not saying it's definitely the case but the conspiracy minded part of me can't help but notice the attack on the synagogue in Manchester was very conveniently timed around when the flotilla arrived in Israel. Could just be coincidence of course but we've seen what they're capable of making happen. This would be very easy for them. And this isn't to have any disrespect towards the victims of the attack, even if it was a false flag or whatever it doesn't make it any less of a tragedy. Plenty of Jewish people suffer generally because of Israel too
Edit: well guess I offended a bunch of people with this. Nice to see that we're being no different to reddit here and just downvoting people we don't agree with, even if that person isn't being shitty about the opinion they're expressing and isn't claiming it's true anyway, and not having an open discussion about the thing that's been said
We have enough conspiracy theories right now. Let’s stick to the facts and maintain some epistemic hygiene.
So we just don't consider anything could be true unless we know for absolute sure it is? So we shouldn't even entertain the idea that Epstein didn't kill himself, as well as many other things? I understand that we shouldn't go about throwing out theories and believing them completely without some solid evidence, but I think the other extreme of "epistemic hygiene" hinders us too. Certain things could turn out to be true and us ignoring suggestions of that earlier on could mean we don't realise later. Again I'm not saying that the possibility I bring up in my original comment is likely or anything, just it wouldn't surprise me really. There's so many examples in recent years of powers distracting us from the bad things they're doing with other things
lol hard doubt
edit: to all those who can't employ critical thinking, representants for the swedish ministry of foreign affairs met Greta Thunberg on Saturday and received no reports of violence. She says there has been too little to eat and drink, she suspects there's bed bugs and she stated that she had to lay on hard surfaces. Nothing about what this article states, so unless it happened right after the embassy left, this is bull and only meant ragebait.
edit2: I would advice everyone to apply critical thinking when reading this article. It is framed in such a way as to invoke rage in readers and is probably not true.
Swedish representants for the foreign ministry has met with Greta which stated that there was lack of food and water and that they have to lay on hard surfaces in addition to receiving harsh treatment. No mentions of violence.
Now harsh treatment could cover a lot, but the fact that she hasn't mentioned that they were inflicted violence is a pretty strong indicator that this is not true.
In addition, swedish media hasn't covered this story which I have no doubt they would pick up on pretty fast since the flotilla and the genocide is well covered in media. This would be headlines to say the least.
They dragged little Greta [Thunberg] by her hair before our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her, as a warning to others,” the Turkish activist ErsinÇelik, a participant in the Sumud flotilla, told Anadolu news agency.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/04/greta-thunberg-israel-gaza-sweden
Even if they didn't beat her all other thing she experienced is still terrible and worth being raged about
Amazing how they don't seem to acknowledge this one while also doing lots of angry rants 🤔
You’re of course welcome to believe whatever you want, but from my perspective the state of Israel has lost so much credibility they’re on the same level of standing as hearsay from the flotilla. Hatred and violence is now the norm over any political issue.
Seems to me most likely answer is Greta complained about abusive treatment to the embassy but they decided not to raise it publicly in hope of getting better food/bed for her — lacking a Time Machine and all. Ie being diplomatic…
I agree. I don't think Israel has any credibility at all after these last years, but my point is regarding this article and that one should apply critical thinking to spot misinformation and propaganda, which this article most probably are.
I don't think that is the case though. Ulf Kristersson said that those who traveled with Ship to Gaza can just about suit themselves with what happens and that they can expect no help from Sweden. But the strongest indication is that no Swedish news has picked up on that story which most certainly be the case if it was true.
You're being a cynical asshole. Even if you're right, the way you phrase it is so needlessly abrasive that you won't convince anyone of anything. You're just airing out your shitty personality for everyone else to deal with, and it's quite sad and concerning.
Get help.
Separate from that, the statements made in the email from the Swedish embassy that were sent to the Guardian don't contradict the other flotilla activist's claims. In fact, the embassy's email at least partially corroborates the claims—depending upon how you choose to interpret Greta's statement that she was being subjected to "harsh treatment". At no point did the representative refute the claims.
I think a modicum of critical thinking would easily lend credence to the claim that <country that's starving children and has sniped them in hospitals with quadcopters> might be abusive to an activist who's attempting to defy their mission.
It's equally reasonable to expect that an embassy would hesitate to repeat the claims/accusations without additional evidence so as not to cause any unnecessary diplomatic tensions, especially with Greta still being in custody.
But again, I wouldn't expect someone exhibiting such a shining personality such as yourself to stop to consider that perhaps the representative was being diplomatic about what claims they were willing to repeat. You know—because assholes generally know fuck-all about when/how someone is being diplomatic.
Or unless Israel had threatened her that there would be repercussions for telling the truth.
In the scopes of "you're allowed to tell about lack of food, water, bed bugs, harsh treatment and laying on the floor, but nothing about kissing the flag because then!" I hear you mate but that's unreasonable. Read this critically and you will see the ragebait and narrative it tries to promote. Just such things as
They dragged little Greta (Thunberg) by her hair in front of our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her as a warning to others. She’s still a little kid. They made her suffer
You're being intentionally obtuse and stacking edits onto your initial comment to belabor an awful, specious argument.
That you would continue to die on this hill, after conceding the point about dehydration, rashes, painful concrete surfaces, and degrading photography–
That you would call the activists liars, whilst Israel’s foreign ministry posts on X that all detained activists were "safe and in good health" and Israel's commitment to the "dignity" of prisoners afforded by international law—
That you would weasel out on the smallest of words—"harsh" treatment—while the Italian legal representation for the flotilla explicitly alleges multiple instances of both physical and verbal abuse against the activists in custody—
I think it speaks volumes to your (lack of) moral character. You know you are wrong. You're tripling down on being a cynical asshole.
Get your head on straight, "mate".
There are mentions of pictures, and she herself was aware such pictures may exist and asked whether they had been released. So, no, you’re misled. Forcing detainees through beatings and physical force into interacting with the Israeli flag is a common humiliation practice by Israelis if you know anything about them. It’s pretty much standard practice. They wouldn’t think twice about doing it to their newest victim regardless of who “she thinks she is”.
She's Greta. She would show her bruises to make the case against Israel. She'd never be silent if it was as bad as the article claims.
Yes but
Another detainee reportedly told another embassy that they had seen her [Thunberg] being forced to hold flags while pictures were taken
is not the same as
They dragged little Greta [Thunberg] by her hair before our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her, as a warning to others
I don't doubt she has been forced to pose with a flag and thus ask wether those pictures has been released.
I'm starting to think Israel aren't the good guys...
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