Skirts are breezy and comfortable. Fuck off.

I already know what you're getting at but arguments in favor of breaking gender stereotypes aren't made invalid if the person who originally made them ends up identifying as trans. I know that lots of people like to use situations like that as "evidence that people who break gender stereotypes are just trans-in-denial" and/or a justification for harassing GNC folks (r/egg_irl and r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns were especially awful about that back in their heyday) but it's very important to recognize that GNC people are valid in their own right, and trying to generalize them as transgender is hurtful and enforces the toxic gender stereotypes that hurt people.

Oh and before someone tries to twist my words around. No a trans woman wearing a dress doesn't enforce gender stereotypes, what enforces gender stereotypes is to say a person (i.e. a femboy) is trans because they wear a dress without their input on the matter.

Boots with the fur!

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Middle age white chick here - might depend on the crowd you are around. I have a lot of friends who wear kilts (as in most of the men I consider friends, including the 6.5ft 400lb giant of a man. Just totally happens to be that way, they don’t know each other for the most part, and I find out years after becoming friends) and they don’t seem to have any trouble getting laid (not all of them are strictly into women, but they get teh secs so whatever floats their goats). But kilts aren’t the only counter-culture they actively and clearly participate in, both aesthetically and personally. That might make the difference; that’s just who they are and they are comfortable with themselves enough to do whatever.

If I saw some dude in a kilt and leggings I’d be super amused and chat with them, but I’m asexual so I also wouldn’t be interested, but I’d be interested in you, the person. The same way I’d be interested to talk to a dude in a prom dress or whatever. If their spine is so shiny they can rock that shit in public, I probably want to know them.

I'm afraid not everyone is confident, I do however plan on getting myself a kilt one day as well as some programming/Unix socks to go with it.

I wore a Utilikilt for a while. They're surprisingly uncomfortable. Sitting in a kilt requires effort. The material is a heavy denim, which is hot and doesn't fall nicely. I expected the breeze to be enjoyable. It's not.

The pockets are good.

The women I’ve dated that are into men love guys in kilts, but I’m a woman so it may be that bi women are more likely to like it than straight women. That said I’ve heard complaints that some guys don’t bother with ensuring it’s a good kilt for them and picking a good outfit with it

That's the point he's trying to make

Not really. Good women’s clothing is cut differently then men’s clothing, so it fits our bodies better, mostly accomodating our narrower waists and wider hips. (And the zippers and buttons are on the opposite side too of course.)

Mine (mostly) have pockets! But the obvious (to me) reason so many women's clothes lack pockets is because pockets ruin the form. Wearing my zip-up jacket yesterday, looked great, cut tight, but if I carried stuff in the side pockets it would ruin the look.

And if women truly wanted useable pockets, they'd buy more such clothes. Not like these designers are clueless as to what sells and aren't maximizing profit.

Tried buying girl versions of those things? Not sure about T-shirts, haven't tried that. But I have a small middle-aged gut, not much at all, but I think I might look silly in a woman's T-shirt.

There's multiple versions! The OG DS game was VERY touch heavy, but the mobile game remake made the controls much simpler. For me, no version is ever going to match the craziness of having to watch both screens at the same time, but the game is so damn good that if you haven't played it I'd recommend whatever version you can get your hands on.

I'm in Mb which has been surprisingly nice lately. (Almost scary to be honest considering it's supposed to be between -10 to -20c this time of year.)

Still though, freezing drizzle with a draft up the backside is less than comfortable in my opinion lol!

I've never been bit by mosquitos in my dangly bits, and I don't think I want to be. Had a woodtick there once when I was 8, that was more than enough.

Well yes, but I'm referring to present day with it being winter. In the summer it easily gets past +30c here. Last summer I would have gladly run around nekkid when it was +36c if I wouldn't get arrested.

I... needed to read that a second time. Yes.

Or they live in places where "society" is so bothered by it, a handful of old white men are fighting tooth and nail to enact laws forcing it to be a problem in the name of god...

Just commented a couple of times on my kilts being a visible turn off to the women I've dated. I'm a small man, not afraid of girl clothes, but that wasn't hitting with 'em.

Before you go banging on people for "lesser mindsets" and such, consider this; Attraction is not a choice.

Let me day that again for those in the back; Attraction is not a choice.

I think we might be agreeing, but let's not put people down for their attractions.

I never really considered this perspective and really appreciate you sharing it, thank you!

I think you hit the nail on the head. It is very interesting how different I (male-presenting) get treated when I wear a skirt vs trousers. The whole rest of my outfit and appearance is similar - I have the same haircut, glasses, coat, boots, backpack. But when I wear a skirt, I know that people notice me far more, and I also for some reason start getting compliments from women.

So I dont think that's something which only happens with men noticing women, but that skirts (especially yhe ones which are shorter and more fitting) society at large seems to associate with sexual attraction. I will be honest, it is a bit of fun to know I have so much power over peoples attention - that I can control the amount of attention on me by wearing pants vs a skirt. But I also fully agree with what you're saying - people can wear skirts just because they like them, not because they want to be sexy to you (shocker moment).

I know that we subconciously do it all the time, but: how do you deal with the fact that people treat you differently just based on what you're wearing?

Oh definitely. While it's not a given that bigoted folks are closeted, it's worth noting that there's been some studies showing it's not just a joke: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/

Your take on it seems likely in other cases, and/or some combo of both.

That said, I would much rather a man with an erection look at me like on the right than like on the left, which was a bit more where my joke was coming from.

That doesn't sound breezy and comfortable.

The only problem is things might show through if unrestricted.