'We all felt a kind of a [bump,] jolt': Engine cover rips open as Southwest flight takes off from DIA [Robert Garrison | Apr 07, 2024 | Denver7 ABC]
'We all felt a kind of a [bump,] jolt': Engine cover rips open as Southwest flight takes off from DIA [Robert Garrison | Apr 07, 2024 | Denver7 ABC]
An engine cover on a Boeing 737 operated by Southwest Airlines ripped open just after taking off from Denver International Airport Sunday.
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- article title update, bump not bomb jolt'
- added comma
DENVER — An engine cover on a Boeing 737 operated by Southwest Airlines ripped open just after taking off from Denver International Airport Sunday morning.
The Houston-bound Southwest flight took off from DIA around 7:45 a.m., and returned to the airport 30 minutes later, landing safely. No injuries were reported.
It's almost like overworking people in the name of profits gets in the way of safety snd reliability.
131What are you, some kind of socialist?
58Hey Karl Marx, preventing needless death isn’t profitable! Enough.
Thank god the wealthy control the courts and government, at least. They’ll keep the lid on this rabble-rousing.
32Keep in mind they literally do not care until it gets in the way of profit
14They tied bonuses directly to how many planes were delivered. Definitely a good way to promote cutting corners.
6Are there examples of economic theories that better value the worker? The only I've ever seen is high unionized social democracies, which are themselves still capitalist in nature
0Looking for "economic theories" is already buying into their bullshit. The economic theory championed by major political parties and media networks the world over is neoliberalism. You know, trickle down, self-regulation, free market will fix it, that kind of shit.
None of it works and none of it ever did. Maybe, for a brief moment around Thatcher and Reagan, they genuinely thought it might. These days though, they try neoliberalism over and over again because it doesn't work and they grow richer with every failure. Money didn't trickle down, they just got a tax break. They didn't self regulate, they increased their profits by exploiting foreign workers and literal slaves. The free market didn't fix it, because people were desperately trying to keep their head above water, forcing them to be complicit in the horrors or drown.
You don't need economic theories. You just need regulations to stop businesses doing unethical, exploitative things. Politicians could solve most of the issues facing us today with the stroke of a pen. It's not even complicated policy. "Foreign workers pay and working conditions must meet domestic standards. Failure to do so will result in criminal charges".
You'd see industry return to wealthy countries overnight. Consumers wouldn't be blamed for multi-billion dollar companies using child slaves. Sure, everything would also become more expensive, but that's your bosses problem now. They've been pocketing your wealth for decades, distracting you with cheap junk, subsidised by the misery of foreign workers.
That's why the world over, every election has become "red neoliberal" vs "blue neoliberal". They might pantomime fight over social issues but when it comes to economics, the only disagreement is about whose buddies from school get to be first snout in the trough. Their children are bred for it. The moment a progressive get anywhere near power, watch as these mortal enemies suddenly unite in solidarity to attack them.
Whatever economic theory you find, there will always be greedy sociopaths trying to murder and manipulate their way to the top.
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It has been said a lot these last few months, but it is worth repeating untill Boeing stops dicking around...
"It is Boeing, I ain't going"
61It's also important to try to avoid jumping to conclusions without the facts. If this is a new 737 and there's a manufacturing issue, then rake Boeing over the coals. They do have problems. But if this is an older plane that had either maintenance issues, then go after Southwest first unless it's a Boeing responsibility. And of course, things do happen beyond anyone's control too, and engines that fail for any reason but don't take out the rest of the aircraft is a bit of a win for design.
39It's not new. Is also not a Max. Airframe is from 2015.
32Neat. Now compare vs Airbus and see all those different compartments become meaningless.
8I agree with your rationality, but I will never pass up an opportunity to rake Boeing over the coals after the 737 max debacle.
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The story doesn’t mention the age or variant of the plane, but there’s a good chance this is an issue with Southwest maintenance, not Boeing (or their subcontractors) construction.
16Some quick googling got me the details.
- The article mentions the flight number.
- Since I didn't know the airline code of Southweast, I googled Southwest and the flight number.
- Google flights showed me the full flight number.
- Putting that into Flightradar got me a list of the last flights of this flight, one showing a deviation.
- Going in there gave me the registration number of the plane that flew that flight and data about the type of plane.
- Searching FAA registry gave me all details of the plane.
It is a Boeing 737-8H4, delivered in 2015, so an alomst decade old plane, meaning it was probably an issue with maintenance this time.
Doesn't mean I would fly a Boeing plane untill the stop dicking around.
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What other options are there for domestic US flights?
5https://simpleflying.com/ten-busiest-domestic-us-airbus-a321neo-routes/
Plenty.
Then you guys also have sleeper trains in some regions, not at the same level as here in Europe, but they exist and are a decent alternative to flying on the routes.
9Airbus
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Looks at post title and wonders if Boeing
Opens article
Is Boeing
60You do know that this has nothing to do with it being a Boeing aircraft, right? The flight was a 737-800 which is from the NG series of 737s. The NG series has one of the lowest accidents per departure of any aircraft ever made and they probably have the most departure of any aircraft series.
This was 100% on Southwest. This aircraft was built in 2015 and has been flying for a decade. All that happened was a Southwest mechanic didn't latch the engine cowling properly after an at gate service. This is a problem and should not happen, but has nothing to do with Boeing.
26It's the Ohio train derailment all over again. Accident happens, people pay more attention to similar accidents, they are shared more on social media (especially if they confirm what people now this is true), people not smart enough to understand that hearing about it more does not mean it's happening more, and so every accident confirms their belief no matter what.
It's a vicious feedback loop.
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I mean half are boeing and half are airbus. We aren't exactly swimming in large airplane manufacturers.
19It’s a Boeing that has been flying for years. Maintenance staff forgot to latch the engine cowling. That is all.
Airbus used to have a way larger problem with this, so bad they had to redesign it to make it more obvious it wasn’t latched.
https://safetyfirst.airbus.com/preventing-fan-cowl-door-loss/
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The article doesn't say "bomb jolt" it says "bump, jolt." In case no one actually reads the article.
53Thank you, luckily Lemmy let's you edit titles @jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world
7Updated post title!
Thanks!
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Oh hey look it’s a Boeing plane again.
10goddamn planes are falling apart no matter who the fuck makes or services 'em. I am slowly but surely losing trust in air travel at the moment.
5I mean, all recent coverage seems to have been about Boeing planes..
..but stuff like this is likely more due to shoddy maintenance than production faults, right?
It’s just that everyone is hyper-vigilant currently for anything that goes wrong on a Boeing flight currently.
7but stuff like this is likely more due to shoddy maintenance than production faults, right?
yes exactly. you nailed it of course, it's the same thing like when you buy a car and then you see it everywhere. Human brain likes to connect patterns when possible so anything Boeing is like, 'there they go again!' when in reality it's poor maintenance. Part of why Alaska Airlines has looked real bad with all this stuff, bad maintenance like you said.
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USA road fatalities in last 10 years: ~400,000 Aviation fatalities in major USA carriers in last 10 years: 3 as far as I can find
But sure...
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Noob question: In this age of connected things, why can't the plane have a sensor to detect if the engine cover is closed, and show an error if it is not before flying?
3They absolutely have sensors that say “hey, the engine cover is reporting open” but it comes down to where they are when they get that report. I highly doubt the cover was open when they took off, and there’s not going to be a “the engine cover is going to open soon” sensor for this kind of situation.
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I remember this episode of "The Twilight Zone"
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1BOEING DON'T MAKE ENGINES.
But sure. Pile on.
0They might not make the engines, but they are responsible with certification and checkups.
15yes, but they bolt them on, certify them and maintain them.
And if this really is the fault of the engine-producer, then Boeing took a inferior supplier for its aircraft, not really any better.
6I’m sorry but this OSS wrong on so many levels.
This aircraft is 9 years old. It is a B737-800. Boeing’s responsibility ended when it was delivered. Southwest are responsible for all maintenance and inspection since then.
There is only one manufacturer of engines for the 737NG type, CFM. The engine itself may go back to them for maintenance as they do run overhaul shops. But they are extremely reliable engines. And this engine didn’t fail, the panels came off.
This is not an engine failure. This is more likely some poor young fella forgot to clip the cowlings shut after preflight checks.
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Good point, but it's not that either. I guess most of the people here don't watch the ground crews at the airport before boarding - it seems these clamshell panels are opened between every flight (or at least very frequent intervals) for engine inspections and probably oil sampling. The far and away most likely cause is the ground crew forgot to latch the panel back up after performing their inspection.
3So? They still put them in their planes.
"We're not responsible for putting shoddy parts on our aircraft because we don't make the parts!"
Like, seriously, how stupid are you?
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Here comes a series of DFEAs related to the scotch tape that holds that part of the engine. I hope they figure out what the problem is with the scotch tape.
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