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Reading through the Project 2025 PDF is insane

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The listed excerpts are actually quite tame compared to what the actual plan is.
slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security
invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries
create a federally funded "American Academy" that would deliver online courses and grant free degrees that excluded "wokeness or jihadism". The plan would also be funded by taxing the endowments of major universities
every state report exactly how many abortions take place within its borders, at what gestational age of the child, for what reason, the mother's state of residence, and by what method
I stopped looking, not because there was any shortage of further crazy shit. There’s plenty more.
- Yeah, and there's a fair amount of money behind this push.....which like....I'm not American, don't live in the States, but my sister and her wife do...and I've gotta figure out how to get them the fuck out if things go Trump again....
  Edit: also, living in the UK I run into loads of people who go "Well, if Trump gets in again, that's not really our problem..." but like....the USA makes they're problems everyone's problem. And another Trump presidential term would be a huge problem for the rest of the world....
  
  also, living in the UK
  Yeah, I've been following UK politics by way of TrashFuture podcast and I gotta say... your immigration plan is to deport people to Rwanda and your government just endorsed a Trans-Panic Committee to decide whether teenagers can consent to gender-affirming care.
  And these are the moderate Labour Party positions. Liz Truss wants to do worse.
  God damn, dude. Finding the worst people to run the country is not a competition. You can just let the Yanks have this one.
  
  The UK gets whatever the US gets, it just sometimes lags by a few years depending on how long it takes for the US to excrete it over here.
  
  Yeah we’ll take the uk and Canada down with us. Honestly probably the EU and we’ll try for Russia as well
- It's a very ambitious list. The executive branch will be a smoldering wreck before they even get started. Let's hope we get a 2028 election because 2032 and 2036 will be all about rebuilding.
- create a federally funded “American Academy” that would deliver online courses and grant free degrees that excluded “wokeness or jihadism”.
  I gotta say, this is hilarious both in how it delivers lip service to a popular idea (free public higher education) and outright mangles the implementation so its guaranteed to fail (why the fuck would any serious employer value an anti-wokeness degree?)
  every state report exactly how many abortions take place within its borders
  Government small enough to fit in your vagina.
  
  The public: "We want free public higher education!"
  Fascists: "Okay, we'll use tax money to shove PraegerU down everyone's throat."
  The public: "Wait, no, not like that!"
  
  Also like I was radicalized in college without my courses including any of that shit. Nothing drove me to the labor left harder than having it drilled into be how I’ll need to explain human suffering in dollars in my ergonomics class. And like the teacher wasn’t wrong and he was very conservative.

Over in !conservative@lemm.ee I got banned for posting about Project 2025. They claim it breaks rule 2 which is to only post pro-conservative or anti-liberal posts. Fucking echo chamber over there.
- Same as r/conservatives was.
  Projection is the game. You see these wackos all over YouTube bemoaning “my comments keep getting deleted” (which doesn’t seem true), yet go on their turf and they’ll happily silence you as that’s different.
  Reminds me of “the only moral abortion is mine”. The only people being silenced is us, what we’re doing might look the same but trust me bro it’s not.
  
  Oh you hear that whining non-stop on r/TrueUnpopularOpinion.
  Wah this and wah that about being censored. But as soon as someone not them posts, then it's a downvote party including a bombardment of insults.
- So much for free speech
  
  Free speech is what I want to say, not what you want to say. Duh, loser!
  
  Free speech gets lip service over there. I don't know why the admin tolerates that community.
- Holy shit. That place is a cesspit. Every post is downvoted to hell. What the fuck?
  
  Lemmy is pretty liberal. I downvote their posts when they end up on my feed but it's apparent I'm not the only one.
- Wait, what? Why would they even deny it? It’s all of the issues they love to scream about. How is that something they would possibly think they could or should hide?
- What are the odds that place is run by a Russian...?
  
  I always felt that lemm.ee was more conservative (and capilistic). They seem less progressive, more modernist. The issue is it's hard to tell since it federates with other instances, so I mostly have to go by usernames made off that instance.
- It's not like anywhere else, here or any other place, isn't an echo chamber... they're just generally more so. It's a really disturbing place but let's not pretend any other place is objective and fully accepting of different views.
  
  Bro, there are echo chambers and there are fascist hangouts, and while a fascist hangout (project2025 favoring forums) is a subset of echo chambers, not all echo chambers are Fascist Hangouts.
- Lemmy as a whole is an echo chamber too. Look at how things blew up in this post. This is an extreme scenario, not every conservative cares about project 2025. I have conservative family and coworkers who are conservative because they hate change and want to live in the “good old days”, not because they worship trump or are nazis… And yet everyone here thinks “all conservatives are evil”.
  
  They don't care about it, but they'll happily vote for the people trying to implement it.
  
  the good old days
  So they want slavery back? Or was it something else?
  
  What "good old days" exactly are you describing? I expect it wasn't as good as they think, and was especially bad for many who weren't white, hetero, and male.
  
  Yeah, well, they're not the ones running for office right now I assume. So for now, they're pushing Trump and the Nazis to the top. In the end, their motivation won't matter.
  
  Getting banned for different views (assuming they were presented in a civilized manner) creates echo chambers. Surpressing other opinions will uniform thinking and perception. That enforces echo chambers.
  Sure, Lemmy leans a lot more to the left due to it's user base. That doesn't necessarily mean it's an echo chamber as a whole. You can easily evade snowballing effects here by sorting your posts differently, e.g., scaled. There is no algorithm which tries to keep you on the platform by serving you stuff you like and hiding stuff you don't like. Thereby again, defying what's typical for echo chambers.
  You can voice your views and opinions and sometimes surely get downvoted to hell for that. But as long as it doesn't break any "be nice" rules it's usually going to be still visible and seen by others. People might disagree, but you are not surpressed. Thereby again, not an echo chamber.
  It becomes problematic though if specific instances or communities ban you for having a different (harmless and civilised expressed) opinion. That will indeed create echo chambers as only that is allowed which is similar to the common tone.
  And admittedly, having a user base which is dominated by politically left leaning users, seems not to be helpful in terms of diverse political discussions (although I don't see how conservatives have ever been objectively or ethically right about something :p ), but from my experience this hasn't become a problem here, since even left folks love to shoot each other in the feet and have diverse and deep (often fruitful) discussions.

"I literally can't tell either side apart. Both sides are the same!"
- "One guy is fucking me and the other is getting off watching"
  
  Lol what a dumbass statement
  Hey everyone look at this loser
- "One side is clearly worse, but they're both literally in favor of human extinction."
  "You're basically saying both sides are the same. Why would you say something so absurd?"
  
  Well? Answer the question please
  Seriously, when the red guys are committing 90% of the crimes why do you people always focus on the 10% the blue guys do?
  I mean I know why, I just want to see you struggle to explain how you're totally not a Russian stooge, pinky promise

Finally, gender is now illegal. We did it bo- I mean people
- Without genders, isn't all sex homosexual?
  
  Sex != Gender
  
  i want to tell a republican this now
- Comrades.

Pornography should be outlawed
I mean, it's quite a departure for a party that whinges about the First Amendment to straight up move to the government controlling what can be published, i.e. actual literal censorship. But hey, conservatives aren't very logical.
- Always remember that if the conservatives who claim to love the US, had been born in 1750, they would have been Loyalist Redcoats.
  
  I mean...if the loyalist redcoats had won, you'd have health care, gun control and there wouldn't have been a civil war, slavery would just have ended like it did in the rest of the empire.
- It is right up there with the same people arguing for abortion because one should be able to decide what medical procedures (including drugs) should be done to them also arguing for COVID vaccine mandates, i.e. arguing that people should be forced to take a drug.
  But then that's one of my biggest grumps about pro-choice arguments (and I am pro-choice) - there's a tendency to argue that supporting abortion is just an application of some broader principle but also to have abortion be the only controversial case where that principle actually applies.
  
  Except nobody was physically forced down and vaccinated against their will. You can still choose not to be vaccinated, but choices have consequences. I'm not saying the government should arrest people for not being vaccinated, but people, institutions, companies and hospitals should definitely have the choice to not want to let those people inside.
  
  Equating abortion and vaccine mandates is stupid. Pregnancy can't be transmitted.
  Mandates for people already recovered from Covid was anti-scientific though.

Literally nothing to actually help the nation or solve problems.
Just culture war, and only culture war.
And unfortunately by the looks of this comment section, it works. It forces people to focus on the culture war aspect of it and not the lack of actual progress, or the changes behind the scenes while we all fight over the culture problems and the real dismantling happens out of view.
- I mean, this is beyond culture war. This is tyranny of the state. We're not exaggerating when we say they want to put us in the camps.
  This is important shit we're talking about, not a distraction.
- Oh, actual progress? Oh boy it's my time to shine!
  As per moderator request, a unique comment for you. Enjoy
  Individuals ought to have the liberty to vote for the candidate who truly embodies their interests. By replacing the prevalent First Past the Post voting system, citizens can confidently support third-party candidates without fear of a spoiler effect. This shift would foster electoral competition, thereby enhancing the caliber of candidates accessible to all. Moreover, it would incentivize greater political participation and voter engagement. Progressing state by state, we can empower voters to select representatives who align with their values while effectively weighing their votes against undesirable candidates. Start with your own state today!
- Because the old people already have money and are bored as hell, so they need culture wars to get riled up while having nothing to do all day

"This shit has to be fake..."
2016 Trump flashbacks
Ah shit. It's not fake. Please vote.
- Please vote.
  Hey, listen, go for it. But when we've got cops storming school yards and beating up professors, I gotta say. This probably isn't going to be the freest or fairest election of my lifetime.
  
  Probably won’t be. Might be the most free election you have going forward though

Ohhhh taking away my gender and rights as a transgender American protects my rights, I see I see.
- No it protects their rights. Gotta remember we aren’t real Americans
- Yeah if you keep throwing uno reverses at the uno reverses you can create a black hole to stow your rights in for safe keeping!

If the term Abortion isn’t allowed to exist in any possible law then does that make it legal?

They want to protect free speech, by creating an enforced list of banned words?
- Ever heard of the great lie?
  
  No
- Well, they want to ban these words from appearing in laws, not from being used by anyone. So I guess it only deprives the government from free speech.
  
  It makes sense, recently in NC we unbanned gender-affirming care for Government funded medical programs, as the Judge ruled that since the legal team arguing in favor of the unban showed that trans healthcare is not substantially more expensive (for insurers) than everyone else's and there was enough evidence to show that the care could not be considered elective under these cirucmstances, that discrimination was the only possible motive for barring it and since those arguing in favor of the ban had no arguments that hadn't been debunked..... the ban was lifted and now Government Funded Medical Programs in NC HAVE to cover Gender Affirming care
  If the Judge wasn't allowed to talk about LGBT Discrimination, and was forced to frame it in terms of "States Rights" then the ban wouldn't have been lifted

"Delete and prevent the use of these terms to protect ~~freedom of speech~~ my fragile and extremely traumatised psyche"
Fixed that for them

Tbf I don't trust the FBI any more than I trust the CIA or the NSA or the ATF, I'm on board with looking at those agencies and their activities.
That's about it though, and I don't really trust the republicans to do it either, so..
- Yes, but "unlawful or contrary to the public interest" is the language the 2025 drafters have used in the past to argue that people involved in a literal violent insurrection should not be prosecuted. In this case we're not talking about forming a more equitable justice system, we're talking about celebrating the attempted overthrow of the government.
- Yes, but they're speaking in code.. They need the FBI to stop investigating republicans, Those that the law protects but does not bind you see...

Hey USA,
good luck...
- We're gonna need it

"Protect free speech by censoring free speech"
- Protecting your right to say slurs to minorities.

There is no good conservative alive today. Conservatism is a plague long overdue for a cure.
- They call the good ones Liberals now
  
  It will always trip me out how Mitt Romney went from being the GOP nominee for president in 2012 to a reviled RINO in less than a decade by not moving. He's the same guy with the same positions and the party shot far to the right.

Is this project 2025? Like policies for the voter minorities that mentally liven in the 1950s.
- I have a feeling that the 50s were far more progressive than the plan outlines.
  
  Yeah, this is more of an "Iran 1979" kind of plan.
  
  Consider that in 1965, someone wrote a book about how great it would be if cars had seat belts, and then everyone agreed and cars got seat belts. That's what happens in a government that at least tries to care (about white people, anyway). Conservatives have spent the last half century making sure that nightmare never happens again.
- Nah, they wanna take us even farther back to the likes of the Spanish Inquisition.
  
  The Spanish Inquisition is too Catholic and Papist for the fundamentalist Protestant nutjobs here in the states.
  
  To the likes of the Chinese Communist Revolution
  
  At least the Spanish Inquisition stopped witch-hunts. I'm not so sure Republicans don't want to start witch-hunts themselves.

Terminate those not in the national interest?
I bet any investigations of republicans are immediately terminated, meanwhile any “leftist” under investigation is pushed through a kangaroo court.

Why do conservatives hate free speech and freedom so much?
- No no, why do PROGRESSIVES hate freedom so much whilst conservatives work so hard to make sure everyone has the freedom to own a gun and debt?
  Edit: Really? The /s wasn't obvious here?
  
  What?
  
  "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary" - Karl Marx

Merriam-Webster

man this reminds me of that post i commented on that was on the hexbear instance...
it got removed and im pretty sure i was banned, idk what the fuck those guys are smoking over there lmao.
- getting banned from hexbear is the lemmy equivalent to getting banned from r/conspiracy
  
  it really is. I posted one comment, woke up the next day being called a genocide supporter, having my comment removed (don't know why, didn't read the rules, nor will i) and being banned.
  Truly only the most hexbear of interactions.
- probably just drinking bleach
  
  smells like it with how aggressively they prune things.

It looks like some personal revenge, I don’t know why anyone would hate someone so much out of nothing.
It’s not even populism I think that would be at least lots of empty words
- It's not our place to understand these other people. All we need to do is do what we can to advance peace's interests and be prepared for the inevitable.
  
  Mi scuzi?

I'm interested, but can someone provide more context? What is this document, who wrote it, who is actually pushing it, etc.
Like if you went to the RNC and a presenter said "here's the plan" and everyone in the room erupted in applause that's one thing, but if one crazy person wrote this up wearing a tin foil Nazi maga hat and said "LISTEN THIS IS THE PLAN" to himself and posted it on Twitter then that's a whole different deal.
- It is not enough for conservatives to win elections. If we are going to rescue the country from the grip of the radical Left, we need both a governing agenda and the right people in place, ready to carry this agenda out on day one of the next conservative administration.
  This is the goal of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. The project will build on four pillars that will, collectively, pave the way for an effective conservative administration: a policy agenda, personnel, training, and a 180-day playbook.
  The project is the effort of a broad coalition of conservative organizations that have come together to ensure a successful administration begins in January 2025. With the right conservative policy recommendations and properly vetted and trained personnel to implement them, we will take back our government.
  The 2025 Presidential Transition Project is being organized by The Heritage Foundation and builds off Heritage’s longstanding “Mandate for Leadership,” which has been highly influential for presidential administrations since the Reagan era. Most recently, the Trump administration relied heavily on Heritage’s “Mandate” for policy guidance, embracing nearly two-thirds of Heritage’s proposals within just one year in office.
  Paul Dans, former chief of staff at the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) during the Trump administration, serves as the director of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. Spencer Chretien, former special assistant to the president and associate director of Presidential Personnel, serves as associate director of the project.
  It's every right wing "think tank" at work and combining forces into fascist-voltron. The Discovery Institute, the Eagle Forum, the Heartland Institute, the Heritage Foundation, Moms For Liberty, Pro-Life America, Turning Point USA and many others. It's basically the playbook for the next conservative government.
  The Heritage Foundation is once again facilitating this work, but as our dozens of partners and hundreds of authors will attest, this book is the work of the entire conservative movement.
  In his last term Trump enacted or tried to enact two thirds of the policy recommendations of the last Heritage Foundation Playbook.
  Analysis completed by Heritage determined that 64 percent of the policy prescriptions were included in Trump’s budget, implemented through regulatory guidance, or under consideration for action in accordance with The Heritage Foundation’s original proposals.
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
  It's quite literally The Plan of Republican Victory 2025.
- Based on the Wikipedia article, it's the Heritage Foundation.
- go to project2025.org or whatever the fuck the link for the page it, it explains it there reasonably well.
  TLDR heritage foundation funded "we promise it isnt fascism please don't look" 1000 page manuscript sun tzu the art of war looking ass papers.

Number two seems good. The fbi shouldn’t be conducting illegal investigations. The reasons they want it are not the same reasons I want it, but a stopped clock yadda yadda.
- Unfortunately their definition of an "illegal investigation" is as well defined as their definition of "woke". It just means anything that they don't like and can flexibly be applied to who is doing the action.
- Oh definitely, but "unlawful" is just code for "that we don't like" here.
- It's not like they would want their new fbi to be secrete police or anything right?

Wait, we don't review FBI investigations?
I know they mean their own independent panels etc.
I just think these agencies are going to push back and push back hard. That or quit/resign.
Good luck fighting your own government for 4 years.
- Good luck fighting your own government for 4 years.
  Unfortunately this also supports Republican goals. The less effective the government is, the easier it will be for them to ignore regulations and run their little scams, and the less support there will be for people who need it.
  
  The deeeeep state is illegally resisting edicts from the emperor
- Another aspect of Project 2025 is for Trump to appoint select individuals vetted to ensure that they will uphold and enforce the core tenets of this christo-fascist manifesto.

box two would not be bad if true except it will be purely things contrary to republican corruption.
- There's a nonzero chance that a future Republican President will do a NAFTA-to-USMCA style "abolition" of the FBI, where the name plate on the building gets changed and James Comey gets fired again but everything else stays functionally the same.
- Nah, I think for that to be done a reshuffle of the US intelligence apparatus needs to be carried out, a department of domestic intelligence, tasked with protection against plots of domestic terrorism and a department of foreign intelligence, tasked with gathering and disseminating intelligence to our strategic allies, and also protecting the lives of American citizens abroad through preventative intelligence gathering, IE by extracting them if they are deemed in danger, not by starting a coup because the local government wants to initiate a forced sale of their property in that country.
  Create those departments, background check every active agent and worker currently in the intelligence apparatus, and remove everyone who hails from the ideological lineage of the Kissinger days.

Republicans are going to steal the 2024 elections.
- "The shittier oligarchs are trying to take over!" - oligarchs currently in power probably
- 😅😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm sure Mike Johnson is on board with banning porn. Then he won't need to share his porn habit with his son anymore.

Here... read through the Socialist Rifle Association's website.
SocialistRA.org

I mean, the FBI SHOULD be reviewed, audited, and have all their nazis purged, but good luck getting that done under either party.
- Their plan doesnt call for a "nazi purge." it calls to end any investigation of crime that involves a Republican.
  Why make up a completely different scenario just to "both sides" and give the GOP cover for their actual plan that dismants the rule of law as long as youre on their team?
  
  Their plan doesnt call for a “nazi purge.”
  Why, sure it does! It's just that it's a purging by Nazis, not of them.
- I mean, the FBI SHOULD be reviewed, audited, and have all their nazis purged, but good luck getting that done under either party.
  House Republicans All Vote Against Neo-Nazi Probe of Military, Police

Will never happen under Republican rule. As someone from the Midwest, I hear casual conservations about it even in the suburbs (which I find weird).
Will never happen since the FBI tends to follow the lead of the US president. No president is going to shoot themselves in the foot.
Good luck getting rid of words. The most that will come out of this one is a dictionary trailered to snowflakes.
- There are plenty of countries with similar approaches towards law and censorship. I would reference those to see what's possible before I would base my opinions solely on America's prior history.

lol the us wants to do to itself what its been doing to the third world.
- Your user flair checks out. Gotta love being able to tag usernames in the Boost app. Makes tracking bad faith actors so much easier.
  
  everyone i disagree with is a propagandist!!
  you want to die by your own fascism, be my guest.
- They ran out of countries to sucker and rope-a-dope, moved on to directly fleecing the proletariat.

I don't understand this meme. Is this really what USA republicans are pushing? That's surprisingly reasonable and progressive
- what are you smoking
  
  I think it's sarcasm Maybe

Top one is kinda based tbh
- Not even remotely, sex work is still work and trying to abolish it just marginalizes people into perilous compromising positions
  
  Prostitution and/or seducing coomers online isn't work. Legalising prostitution just makes it harder to save people from being trafficked.
- It is based. However I don't know if banning porn will work.

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