Young Activists to Biden: Change Course on Gaza

They think Trump is BETTER on Gaza?

Mr. "Nobody has done more for the Jewish people than me"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/us/politics/trump-gaza-refugees-travel-ban.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-pledges-expel-immigrants-who-support-hamas-ban-muslims-us-2023-10-16/

If Gaza is your single issue in '24 there's NOBODY to vote for.

Don't be a single issue voter either. Shit is too important to throw away your most valuable resource to combat climate change, ensure world peace, fund science and medical research, and equal rights for everyone.
Vote like your life depends on it. Because it does. Federal and local elections. It's very important everyone vote.
- Nope. 37 now and I've always voted since 18. It doesn't matter. I'll never vote ever again. It means nothing.
Young people not voting is very, very bad for Biden though.
- Young people not voting is explicitly voting for a christofascist though.
I'm sure they don't, but they're saying Biden's decisions will make them not vote for him
And not voting is just selfish. Trump's policies would kill more Palestinians, and we'd go decades back on climate change. The purity of one's ideals isn't worth more than that.
If Gaza is your single issue in '24 there’s NOBODY to vote for.
There's definitely someone to vote against, though.
White House doesn't get our soldiers on the ground and is only there to make sure this doesn't explode into something bigger.
It also was successful (unfortunately not always) in persuading Israel into some relief to civilians.
Trump essentially lit a fuse for this conflict: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-partly-blame-situation-israel-opinion-1833933
- It also was successful (unfortunately not always) in persuading Israel into some relief to civilians.
  I mean the US is giving so much to Israel that they shouldn't be persuading, they should be demanding it. Even Reagan did it.
If Gaza is your single issue in '24 there's NOBODY to vote for.
so about that..
Trump won't even be on the ballot in several states.

Suddenly, climate change isn't so much of an urgent issue? Nor abortion? Nor gay rights?

I'm not happy with what's going on nor what Biden's doing, but there's too many people I care about who will get hurt if Trump wins. And I'm not so selfish as to keep my ideals pure.

Life sucks. If you don't vote for Biden, more Palestinians will die than would otherwise. Is that fucked up? Yeah. Vote for him anyway. The world is cruel, and gives us cruel choices. All we can do is make the best of things.

TBF while not voting for Biden is a very bad move, I can understand making a literal genocide your single issue.
- Are people expecting Trump to have handled this situation any better?
  The dude systematically kisses up autocratic strongmen and people expect him to have a balanced, mediating, tempering approach to this situation?
Or the democrats could listen to voters and run a better candidate????
- The Democrats did listen to the voters, that's what the primary process was, Biden won the most votes.
Isn’t he the President now ? He should do something about the Palestinian deaths now .
- You're missing the point. Do you think a president with an R next to their name would be any less of a bloodthirsty moron? So now it's not only "they're bombing Palestine" but also all the other human rights violating shit that happens under a Republican president here at home.
  Yes Biden should stop absolutely supporting the genocide, but threatening to replace him with literally the same plus LGBTQ+ discrimination, immigration fear mongering, more destruction of reproductive rights, etc. is certainly not a sane reaction.

The only answer that democrats have: "Who else are you going to vote for -- Trump? 😏"

This is why the US will inevitably slide into fascism. You've got a party of fascists and then another party that helps out fascists in a number of ways: https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

Democrats like to position themselves as "the thin blue line" that separates civil society from a fascist hellhole, but just like "the thin blue line" known as the police, they've got fascist tendencies if they're not simply full-blown fascists. To think that this is called a democracy.

That’s a bingo. I was elated when I had that realization, but also sad that there was nothing we can do about it. It’s what leads me to accelerationist tendencies, that I struggle with. It’s a facet of the ratchet effect in the 2 party system. But when you explain this to people you are called a pessimist and defeatist. It’s reality. On the bright side, after fascism comes a “golden” period, but climate change will limit its possibilities.
- On the bright side, after fascism comes a “golden” period
  I'm not so sure about that, there are plenty of countries that have been dictatorships for generations. Modern developments in weapons technology and surveillance also gives the governments of today, and tomorrow, a lot more alternatives to suppress a population than in the past.
To your point about the US slide into fascism, thats why I think that this election is very very very important. Imagine what a post-second-term Trump presidential race would look like for a second. Trump is winning as the strong man. You think Dems would counter with someone reasonable? No. Both parties are putting up new people. And guess what? Neither are good and both are populists and both are young and hungry for power. I don’t need to tell everyone that someone like DeSantis would be absolutely insane, but I will. That’s the up and coming from republicans. That’s who sits behind trump next.
I have good news though. The house of cards that republicans are playing is obvious. It can and I’d say probably will crash if trump loses. If he loses, there is zero reason to pay him attention. Literally ignore him, doesn’t matter. Don’t have to follow his orders.
And trump is a fascist that will actually kill the platform itself in my view. I think he could topple the whole tower back down to where republicans can’t agree with each other. He also has the power to split the party.
Basically, the longer that the republicans fail or split, that’s when you’ll get to know the democrats better.
- I'd love nothing more than for the republican party to slide into complete irrelevance, but I heard the same thing after Bush's two disastrous terms culminating in a once-in-a-lifetime financial crisis and after Mitt Romney lost, people were saying that republicans are having a demographic crisis and that they're at risk of never winning another election. The problem is that democrats themselves have said they don't want this:
  https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html
  https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-says-us-needs-strong-republican-party-1779854
  Both Biden and Pelosi said that the country needs the republican party. When was the last time the republican party wasn't horrible? Just like how whenever democrats get a majority, the exact number of senators turn heel to prevent anything progressive from moving forward, I'm sure democrats will find a way to keep the republican party relevant.
There is no such thing as a perfect democracy. To cut off your nose in spite of your face is not the path forward. I want more support for the Palestinians but you also got extreme radicals that are protesting for Palestinian freedom and to establish a caliphate like in Germany. The other side of this conflict is so fragmented my arguments for human rights gets drowned out by religious extremists on both sides. This war didn't start this year, it started decades ago. Where were all the SJWs then?
- I wish it was simply a matter of "it's not perfect" but the problem is actually "it's not a democracy". Just take a look at the approval rate of congress: https://news.gallup.com/poll/513410/congress-job-approval-drops-lowest-2017.aspx We're supposedly in a representative democracy but the representatives have an approval rating of 13%. Tell me how that makes sense.
  You're right, the war didn't start this year, as Israel has been committing human rights violations and taking more and more Palestinian land for decades. Support for Palestine has only increased as more people have seen the truth and I attribute part of that to social media and the ability to share another side of the story (complete with recorded video, thanks to phones) instead of the narrative being dominated by large mainstream media outlets.

You can laugh, but his approval rating is 37% a year before the election.
- Even if Gallup's declined over the last few years, he's not doing much better on Fivethirtyeight or Rasmussen.

Nobody is saying this.

People should vote for Biden over the other guy because the other guy is the worst.
But Biden and his team are fucking morons if they believe funding a genocide won't cost them any votes. Democratic voters aren't in a cult, don't expect 100% of them to fall in line when their president doing extremely unpopular things.
- Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Support Gaza, you lose the Jewish vote, and that might be something that could actually hand victories to the Republicans.
I'm saying this

If it is Trump vs. Biden again in 2024, America will have gone 12 years without having someone under the age of retirement on the general ballot. Clinton, Bush, and Trump were all born the same year, with Biden being born 2 years before the three. Of course they all see Palestinians as terrorists, Cubans as rulled by Castro, socialists as Russia supporters, and drugs use as reefer mandness.

Obama was a breath of fresh air because he was finally from a generation that was passed all that. Why can't we find someone else from the next generation to run against Biden in the primary?

I don't think it's just a matter of age. Plenty of old people don't support genocide or fascism.
And Obama isn't a point in favor of that, because he also kept arming Israel, exercising PATRIOT Act powers, kept up all the U.S.'s wars as long as possible, and killing people by the thousands with drone strikes.
We have a problem with authoritarianism. Call it like it is. The 30-50 year old representatives support it, the 70 year old representatives support it.
Clinton, Bush, and Trump were all born the same year, with Biden being born 2 years before the three.
Actually, 4 years (1942 vs. 1946)
Why can't we find someone else from the next generation to run against Biden in the primary?
For what it's worth, California Gov. Gavin Newsom is running a not-so-subtle shadow campaign.
- Newsom is somehow the worst potential president out of all the names in your comment
- Y'all say this like you're ever going to find a 100% perfect candidate. Grow up.
- At least that is a new moral quandary with new technology. The guy after Obama heard that the Chinese were pointing microwave beams at the White House windows measuring vibrations caused by sound in the rooms - and then turned around and said the Chinese are hiding microphones in his microwave oven.

2024 will basically be a race between a cult leader who deserves to be if they aren't already in jail, and Biden. If you are in the cult, you live in a one party state, if you are out of the cult, you live in a one party state. I see young activists getting screwed either way.

It's a vote for democracy or not and it's pretty much at the platform level not just the president. Any GOP majority in either chamber wiill either block democracy or if Trump is the president help dismantle democracy. Same at the state level for the most part.
Don't forget to vote November 7. I'm tired of hearing about book bannings, PragerU getting to our schools, and other hate based policies at the state and town levels.
This is “they’re all the same” bullshit that some groups use to dissuade you from comparing and deciding on your own. That, and it’s just ageist rhetoric, ignoring Trump is nearly just as old
Don’t listen to this shit. Look at what they say AND what they do, in total. Single issue, lazy, dogmatic thinking is how we got into this sorry state to begin with.
- It really isn't, it's just criticizing the lack of choice. Unfortunately, people like you are ignorant enough to believe there aren't better forms of democracy whereas in Europe there are no shortage of countries where you can vote an actual choice of parties and not throw your vote away because of simple majority rules.
  Both parties aren't the same (the use of the word cult should have been a big hint), but you'd have to be a special kind of fool to be praising the lack of choice you have. The world is bigger than your ignorance.
  Ageist rhetoric, that's just your gaslighting, I never brought it up, nor do I se anyone other than you gaslight with it. You are basically regurgitating political propaganda that isn't even relevant to the comment...
  You are free to pat yourself for your lack of choice. If single issue, lazy, dogmatic, thinking is how you got into this sorry state to begin with, then why are you perpetuating it?
Well put. One Party State would make a great band name. Also, I’m on Sudafed and NyQuil.
- Wrong way, down a one-way road! 🎶

Let's get real here.

Biden's poll numbers aren't looking great at the moment. If any significant number of people that otherwise would have been Biden voters sit out the election, Biden loses. It doesn't even have to be voters that had previously voted for him voting for Trump (which is unlikely, since Trump strongly supports Israel's genocidal ambitions as well). They just have to... Not show up.

And yeah, a Biden loss would be far worse for the country--and for Palestinians, and for Ukranians--than a Biden win. But voters that feel ignored aren't likely to care; after all, if you don't feel like the president gives a shit about your views, then does it really matter which of the two shitty choices wins?

To be clear - I'm pissed at Dems. I'm angry that Biden isn't being a lot more forceful about climate change, that he isn't take a take-no-prisoners approach to Republicans' nonsense over the budget, that he's caving in to Israel, that he's not sending Ukrain the weapons they need to drive Russia into the Pacific, and so much more. And yet, shit gets worse a lot faster under Trump. We need to turn around; Biden is gently tapping the brakes, and Trump would put a brick on the gas pedal.

Things are changing so fast. Before Gaza kicked off, I would have said it's unlikely people were willingly to endure and fours years with the Orange Cancer. Now, I am not so sure. TBH if you dared have an opposing opinion about not supporting Israel, you were shouted down and called anti semite. I think the Democrats were taken by surprise by large swaths of the population that are against the extermination of a population. You can't justify killing vulnerable unarmed citizens and children during a campaign. It would be a mistake for Biden to run again. Old rich people really do not give a fuck about outcomes... too insulated and really have nothing to lose. The common people will suffer for decades.
I sure hope I'm wrong, but I think Biden is going to loose. It's simply horrific.

Who exactly is he going to lose to? Not like any other candidate is opposed to war with Palestine.

The problem won't be people voting for republicans instead of Biden, but people choosing not to vote.
- So business as usual? Less than 50% turnout (2021) and that's a sizeable increase from 39% (2016) of voters aged 18-29.
- Can you blame them? People only voted for Biden in 2020 because he wasn't Trump. If the DNC can't even present another inspiring candidate, we should maybe consider being frustrated with the party itself and not take our anger out on everyone else.
Fucking right?! As much as Biden sucks, the alternative is soooooo much fucking worse for the Palestinian people, there is no telling what the US response would have been if 45 was still in office. Mfs forgot so fast how 45 wanted a straight up Muslim ban, and now Republicans are trying to expel Palestinian visas in the US. Shit would be 10x worse if the Republicans were in control of the executive branch.

Agree or lose - demographic least likely to vote

If we want to be taken seriously, we need to bring a serious amount of people to the game. We need some fucking Polish energy if we expect to bring this country around

I mean TBF almost 50% of people aged 18-24 voted in 2020. If even 10% of those people don't vote for Biden because he was complicit in genocide he's fucked.
- Biden will be alright. Who would be fucked is US.
- The entire US is complicit. Tell me what have you done besides talk on the internet. I remember going to protests in the 90s, when there seemed to be a chance for peace. But the Israelis were lying about their intentions and they just had to wait for their little experiment to take effect and destroy all chances. I want this war to end but not with us engaging in the middle east ever again.
Bit of a dead end for that energy now though. There were two bites at the apple wither Bernie Sanders, which illustrated the DNC will pill out stops to keep party loyals. So what's left for a mobilized progressive movement? Cant fight in the party, cant fight outside the party.
- Bernie proved that the most vocal pussies online won’t actually show up when it matters. The DNC didn’t have to pull out any stops when single digits of eligible voters in the 18-29 group bothered to actually show up.
- Stop with the Bernie Sanders crocodile tears. Are you just going to ignore what HE says to do? Because I'm pretty sure he says vote against the orange reincarnation of Adolf.
Love this comment. Young people have to save the world, as it has always been. Yet the powers that be do everything possible to discourage them from utilizing the incredible power that they have.
Please. Just let the empire fall
- I'd rather us decline in stature instead of collapse into a fascist dictatorship. Idk, I just have people I care about, y'know?

So if he doesn't change course on Gaza they're going to....vote for Trump? Sure.

Or not vote.
- Not voting is allowing Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, et al to win. Because they are the primary players in fomenting hatred via social media. Any American that does not realize that many many countries in the world want us to epically fail is just fucking ignorant. It's very justified in many instances but it's still the reality. And allowing our enemies to win is total BS.
No, they're going to not vote for either. Which should be concerning to anyone wanting to keep Trump out of office.
- Then we get what we deserve. Which, frankly, the rest of the world wants. That's why they're all spending tremendous resources filtering and skewing social media to foment hatred.
- If they don't care about gay people or abortion, perhaps it's best they don't vote.
  And make no mistake. Choosing not to vote is choosing to say you don't care what happens to gay people or abortion.

Aren't young Democrats the lowest turnout group in nearly every state in every election? I'll double check the numbers when I get home, but from memory that was the case.

I can see the onion headline already.
"Non-voters threaten not to vote if Biden doesn't do what they want"
- Yeah, I remember an article from 2016, they were interviewing a college kid and asked who he supported, he said he supported Bernie Sanders. When asked how he felt about Bernie losing the primary he said he felt guilty because he had forgotten to vote.
- You seem to forget when Trump won in 2016 because the DNC didn't listen to their base.

Literally can't believe this. It's just another instance of a few loudmouths shooting off making empty threats. "Young activists" aren't going to swing anything and "polls" don't mean shit. 24 is an easy choice because it's the same one as 20, we've got dumb and dumber but dumber is now an unhinged fascist so ¯(ツ)/¯

He was an unhinged fascist before, too.
Seriously. "Young activists" aren't voting anyway. And if they think Biden is bad, wait until they hear about the other guy. Single-issue voters are idiots probably better off not voting.
- Activists need to host another candidate if they are unsatisfied with the Democratic candidate.

Ah the comfortable Democratic Party position of telling its voters what they have to support because the GOP exists.

Biden can't win here. Whatever he does, he's going to alienate a huge voting bloc. The best option could just be for him to choose not to run.

I'd be okay with that if he started grooming somebody for it. preferably a progressive.
won't happen, though. zombie politicians. they just won't die.
While it's awful, it's nevertheless true that he will always do better being seen as Islamophobic rather than as antisemitic. The amount of shit he'd get from all sides if he supported the Palestinians from the start would dwarf the current amount of shit by an order of magnitude.
- I mean, this has become more than just islamophobe vs antisemite. What Biden is facing is being rightly called accomplice to genocide, at a time when support for Palestine has already overtaken that for Israel among democrat voters.

Every time I see news about the US I'm more glad I don't live there. How the hell are your only choices a fascist cult leader and a genocide supporter? How is the most armed country so compliant?

Propaganda, bread and circuses. Mostly propaganda.
the myth of American exceptionalism
news that lies by omission constantly
fear of poverty, debt
knowing that the FBI and CIA infiltrate and neutralize any threats to the state
I’m sure others have more.
Compliant? The people stocking up on guns generally love genocide and fascism.
They're both genocide supporters, don't worry

Is this the same young voters that don't turn up to the elections anyway?

Overhead a young coworker, "they have to give you time off during your shift to go vote, right?"

Me, Yes, but the state law says you have to ask for that time off at least 1 day in advance.

"Oh well. Maybe next year..."

Me, Set a calendar notification for next year!

...

It’s not just young people, it’s among all Democrats.
I'm pretty sure that's only if you're shift is for the entire time the voting booths are open. No clue how that applies for early voting states.
- Yea this depends on the state law. In the state I'm talking about they have to let you leave for 4 hours if you ask for it at least a day ahead of time.

The attitude expressed by the article makes absolutely no sense.

Republicans also want aid to Israel....I think there might be two politicians in DC who are against giving aid to Israel. Look at the house Republicans right now who are pissed that Johnson tied the bill to cutting IRS funding since they know it won't pass the senate or biden and Republicans are asking for a solo Israel aid bill so they can rush it through with bipartisan support. It's not biden that supports Israel it's American politicians and every ally so before you start voting for whoever just know they would also support israel

So you want Trump to win, someone who backs the terrorists? Not a good plan

I don’t want Trump to win. What makes you think that? When did Trump back the terrorists?
- Trump has thrown his support behind Russia, who supports Iran, who supports Hamas. It's not much of a stretch to say that Trump supports Russia in Ukraine, and Hamas over Israel.
- Not supporting Bidens means you support Trump.
  https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-israels-netanyahu-was-not-prepared-hamas-attack-2023-10-12/
- You're saying you won't vote for Biden, that's a vote for Trump, even if you don't vote, that is mathematically a vote for Trump.

Lol. Sure thing. They're going to vote for Trump or whatever Satan incarnation beats him for the nomination. That's a better option than Biden for sure.

Fuck do Americans ever have their priorities fucked up. Biden should release a cool tik tok dance in October and he'll win for sure.

Putin just got an unexpected ally.

Honestly, I could probably see this being the first time in history where an incumbent loses the primary. If not now, then I'm sure it'll happen in my lifetime.

You think Biden won't be the Democratic nominee? Seems highly unlikely it would be anyone else.
- I am calling it: Kamala Harris, They're gonna try to distract from the Israel Gaza conflict with"first woman president" hype.
You're clearly in a Bubble.

We are doomed

The American two party system is so weird and undemocratic. It's basically a one party system with the illusion of choice.

You're insane or profoundly ignorant if you think both sides are basically the same at this point.
- They aren't the same, but there's is not enough variation. Other democratic countries have multiple choices. My own country has 7 parties in its legislature. There are 2 major parties, but the smallers ones end up having a lot of weight also. European democracies often have executives formed by coalitions of multiple parties, often headed by one the major ones.
  American politics makes it so there's a huge risk in helping the adversary if you pick one the third parties. If you are closer to Democrats but align more with a third party and vote for them and that causes neither of the candidates to gain a majority, there are no possibilities for a third party to support a Democrat government. The Supreme Court gets to pick the government, regardless of the opinion of the majority. That is ridiculous but unfortunately it is by design to keep it all under two establishment parties. It pressures the voters to vote only for the two "approved". I prefer Democrats by far, but this isn't a fair democracy.
  In normal democracies no government can be formed without the support of the majority of the legislature. Even Presidential elections between 2 candidates have to go through a first round first, with the 2 most voted candidates progressing to the final round.
  In the US it is all made to stop any third party from growing and keep it all between the usual suspects. And the results are in sight, a radical Republican party whose place is almost impossible to be taken by a moderate conservative party. Or a stagnant Democratic party unable to be succeeded by something more progressive.
- It's privilege, if both parties are genuinely the same to you then you're in no position to be lecturing to people for whom the difference can literally be life and death.
- Right? One side hates gays, the other side hates poor people, there's a real difference there people!

So dumb.

Joe Biden has been a strong supporter of Israel throughout his long political career.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/bidens-dangerous-stance-on-the-war-in-israel-and-gaza/

What were you all expecting?!?!

I love how the democrats have convinced centrists that you either vote for them or everybody dies, no other options.

This is one of the few cases where "both parties are the same" is actually the correct thing to say.
To be fair, they do a lot to convince themselves.

Biden won't. He'll win anyways and things will go on as normal because people are too complacent.

Lots of people said something similar in 2016. Don't underestimate the America public and the GOP to find a way to put the worst possible person in power.
Just watch trump will win and he will get away with all his legal troubles. Ukraine will fall, Gaza will be nothing but sand and death, and our democracy will take it's last dying breath as we fully become an oligarchy.
Or maybe Biden will win but probably not.
- The US is already an oligarchy overthrow the fucking thing. Something has got to give. Aspire for someone that's not just the lesser of two evils.
And others are too scared of letting trump back in, so they bet on the "less awful" option.
- Trump would be sucking netanyahus dick right now and already have ordered a nuclear strike on Gaza.
  Biden isn't even in the same universe of terrible that Trump is.

Idiots in this thread acting like we have to vote straight ticket. It’s possible for Biden to lose due to his idiotic pro-genocide position (among myriad other failures, and an utter lack of ability to tout his successes), and for democrats to win the rest of the races. That would send a strong message to the DNC to not foist garbage candidates upon us.

Yes because I'm sure Trump won't make the genocide even worse. /s
- I can't think of any situation that Trump won't make worse.
- And what if Trump is busy getting shanked in prison instead of infesting the White House? Dare we dream of a leader who isn’t one of these two imbeciles?
Oh yes because giving Cheetolini control of the military again will TOTALLY help anything going on in Israel and Palestine right now.
We'll go from Biden trying tepidly to talk Bibi into not blitzing Gaza to Trump shouting DIBS and rushing in to do it first so he can stick it to the Jews for taking Ivanka off the table.

Lol changing course on Gaza/Hamas would instantly lose Biden the election.

Absolute nutjobs.

The way things are going it doesn't seem like he's going to win. Most people don't like being accomplice to genocide.
- You're an absolute nutjob. Welcome to the block list, I'm not going to tolerate blatant racism.

This would be scary except for the part where I think many of these young activists would honestly rather have their whole search history read in court than vote for Trump.

If it's those two guys again, the election will go exactly the same way as last time, because 99.9% of Americans will have already decided before the first presidental debate even happens.

I know I've already decided that I'm not gonna bother come 2024 if those two are back. But I'm more apathetic about politics than the average Tlaib listener. They will almost certainly fall in line the instant the primaries are clinched.

- Yeah, I too am worried about militant Biden supporters overthrowing our democracy and taking away even the most basic human rights.
  /s

Hamas: actually tries a genocide, to kill as many civilians as possible Israel: responds with a heavy hand, but obviously not intentionally murdering civilians

Lets be realistic, if Israel wanted to, they could commit an actual genocide, and essentially kill nearly all Palestinians, its within their capabilities.

Hamas wishes they could do the same, but they can't, so they get a pass? The fact that people can't see that very obvious distinction, and call what Israel is doing a genocide is alarming.

I'm going to ignore your bad faith argument that what Hamas did in any way compares in scale to what Israel is doing and try to argue on your level.
If Israel was more immediate with it's long term plans then it would just lead to war with the neighboring nations. Imaging swatting a wasp nest inside of a room built out of wasp nests. It's a really stupid plan that doesn't benefit anybody. What Israel is doing currently is already walking the knife's edge on the maximum amount of harm they can get away with.
- Eastern propaganda: Jews deserve to be eliminated so its OK that they are being bombarded daily by terrorists while ordinary citizens are being held hostage
  Only one side wants genocide. Only one side benefits from dead Palestinian civilians.
  US bases are being attacked now constantly, where is the outcry from the world for people to stop attacking Americans? Just because we have the ability to defend ourselves, its OK for people to shoot at us?
  2023: Totally cool and normal for people to want to kill Jews and Americans now apparently.

If the "young activists" would passively or actively help Trump regain presidency, they're terrorists that shouldn't be bargained with. The grown-ups see Biden wary of losing Jewish support but still daring to broach the topic of Gaza Human Rights, words that wouldn't come out of a conservative's mouth in a thousand years.

LOL do they actually think he has a chance to win??

- Biden

I think liberals in this thread could benefit from this video by Second Thought.

0% chance I'm voting for biden or any other establishment democrat ever again.

If this country gets taken over by republicans, so be it.

Tired of this pussy-footing 'lesser evil' bullshit.

One side doesn't want to help Gaza.
The other side not only doesn't want to help Gaza, but also wants to actively purge Muslims from within their own country, too.
I'd like to think you at least want to avoid the latter from happening.
- I completely understand what you are saying. However, this just creates a loop where:
  Republican is voted in - things get worse fast.
  Democrat is voted in - things get worse slowly.
  Republican is voted in because the Democrats saw that the Democrat didn't fix anything and Republicans were mad that a Democrat won last time.
  There is no logical choice but to vote in a way to cause party shakeup (which ideally means to vote for a actual left party).
- Unfortunately, the same thing is going to happen regardless of which party is in power.

Still have a year to go, so it may get worse or better.

Will be interesting to see how it goes, since RFK Jr. is doing double digits, but also has similar stance to Biden.

Every time anyone brings up RFK I assume it's a psyops campaign. The right likes him better than the left, but that's not saying a lot. I've never heard one person on the left say one good thing about him.
- He's also crazy AF last time I checked. One of the big sources for covid misinformation.
- JFK supports Israel unconditionally but also repeats the conspiracy that COVID was engineered to spare Jewish and Chinese people. He's truly full of terrible ideas.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4289365-rfk-jr-trump-votes-biden-three-way-race-poll/