Enlightened Centrists
Enlightened Centrists
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I don't like memes like this because they are easily dismissed, since the left absolutely has problems, and it's not just "we want healthcare"
However, the truth is, for all the faults the left has, they pale in comparison to the right wing batshittery.
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Sometimes the best you can hope for is things only getting a little worse
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Unfortunately it doesn't take much of a leap to translate that into "Prop up this system which was shaped by boomers for decades just long enough for the boomers to enjoy their retirements."
No thanks. I'd rather the boomers are still alive to see what happens.
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The USA has a left party?
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As an outsider I see another problem with most of the US political discussions here. You all say that the republicans are obviously worse, make memes about them to your dudes to laugh at them. Yet half of your country active voters are likely to vote for them, would probably be more if they weren't inherently apolitical.
This whole American political discourse seems more fit for /r/im14andimsmart because it's mostly shitting on your opponents despite the fact that after 12 of the 16 years(the whole generation) of the democrat presidents more people want to vote for the other party.
I find it weird how you guys just laugh and meme at that like it's non issue or just act as those people(hundreds of millions) are just stupid.
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Everyone has picked their side and won't hear a damned thing wrong about them since that would make them also wrong and every American is 100% right about things they feel, cause that is what our media makes us feel. And also is inherently needed for a class of wealthy elites to pretend they know or care at all for any other group of people when taking power over them.
It's somewhat wrong to say "more" people want one side or the other since we still actually make it quite hard to vote and the rules on victory is convoluted in allowing unpopular (not majority of votes) victory in a political race.
Granted again there is lots of nuance in all of this and Republicans more sell a vibe than thought out ideas, that is usually based on a feeling of superiority that is not earned.
It's the end of an empire. We haven't been tending to the stalk and the central pillar of what makes us strong so it's coming down and things are just gonna be bad as people on all sides argue they know how to fly.
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That they managed to convince so many people to completely vote against their own interests is a testament to the power of propaganda. And you don't have to be spiteful, stupid and/or uneducated to fall for propaganda, it helps a lot obviously, but there are still many progressive and/or smart people who fall for it as well.
The combination of spreading "alternate" facts through complicit mass media AND indifferent addictive social media is something that Goebbels could have only dreamt about.
To understand how people can become so misguided, I recommend reading or watching a few testimonies of people who lost a loved one to alternate fact rabbit holes. It's similar to losing a loved one to a cult, only now it's much more widespread than ever before. I did a quick search and found a testimony from an Irishman that is a good read: https://old.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/171w3kb/my_dad_is_falling_down_a_farright_rabbit_hole/
And for people who did not fall for "alternate" facts propaganda, to put all this history and background into words is not easy, so it's easier and especially quicker to call people who have joined the far right cult, stupid and hateful. The cultists are stupid because they have fallen for the lies, and they are spiteful/hateful because hate is a large part of the far right cult. The far right cultists might not always have been stupid and hateful, but they sure are now.
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Moonbats who promised something to an altar of Joe Stalin are a minority of leftists, including radical leftists such as most people here.
The right-wing nutcases are the hegemon. Those who aren't themselves that extreme at the very least enable them, if not passively want the same things.
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The comparison is such bad faith I wonder if a conservative threw it out there.
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Based
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Do Simpsons screenshots automatically get that font when you try to put the text on, or is it something that just everyone has decided to do across the board?
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Most people get these images from frinkiac.com and that site uses a font called Akbar.
The same people also run morbotron.com for Futurama and masterofallscience.com for Rick and Morty.
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a font called Akbar
Named after Akbar of Akbar and Jeff, I assume.
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Is that not the Simpsons font?
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Too bad USA doesn't have a viable left party
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Hard to have a left party when we're making new grounds of what a right-wing party can look like.
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a viable left party will emerge when the republicans are long gone from politics, just the way the whigs went the way of the do do bird. i don't know why people can;t see this. it's a duopoly. everybody knows this. how can a viable third party exist in that format? yes, ranked choice voting would be ideal, but what if it never happens? vote blue no matter who until the choice becomes vote radical left no matter who. this is how you achieve change without resorting to violence.
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That isn't true, actually.
Within the US' system of Liberal Democracy, the only parties that can afford campaigns are ones that can secure funding from the people and corporations with the most money.
Therefore, whichever party replaces the Republicans will be another right wing party.
Change comes from outside pressure.
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You do not think that democrats are not left? Or that they are not viable?
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So, in most political parlance, there's "to the left of" and "Left". "Left" generally refers to some general socialist, pro worker, anti established capital party where the exact specifics vary from region to region and don't matter for this conversation.
The Democrats are definitely to-the-left-of the Republican party, and they're definitely viable.
They are not Left though, because they favor policies typically associated with other political descriptors in other regions (I will use Liberal with no specific connotations), like a preference for things like tax rebates instead of entitlement programs. A Leftist solution to rising housing prices might be a government program to build more houses in urban areas, price caps, and government subsidies. A Liberal policy might give tax breaks to housing developers to use market forces to encourage them to increase supply, and tax rebates to certain groups to increase their effective purchasing power for housing.That's why people say the US lacks a viable Left party. We have a viable party to-the-left-of the other viable party, but they are not "Left".
There is crossover, and these lines are not sharp.A good example, and particular to this context, is how a leading Democratic proposal for instituting universal healthcare was to create a health insurance marketplace that the government would then put a public option into and subsidize for people in certain demographics, with a legal mandate for everyone to purchase or be provided with healthcare through said marketplace. The hope being that competition would increase efficiency and people would still have choice for their insurance if they wanted.
A Leftist solution would be to assert that everyone is now covered by government insurance and you can go to the doctor and the doctor can bill the government, who will handle various price negotiations as the defacto monopoly on paying for medicine. This would gut the medical insurance industry.People who are unemployed should:
- Be given a living wage from the government.
- Be given subsidized food and housing as long as they can show they're looking for work.
- Die.
Left, Liberal, Right.
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If the US political parties joined the international stage --
Republicans would be in extremist far right. Democrats are right or centered.
Bernie Sanders (who is democrat only because there's no "left") would be left, for pushing for things like 4-day workweek, etc.
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Yes
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Lmao.
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Both sides are corrupt, not "the same"
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And not the same corrupt, and that corruption doesn't mean they deliver the exact same outcome.
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Yep. But on the idea of the corruption alone the outcome is what benifites the individual politician.
There's things happening right now that the middle saying "both sides are the same" should be the least of anyone's worries. We're now not only making the right the enemy but we are now attacking the middle, which has pretty much zero power and hasn't done much of note to make everyone an enemy.
We need to stop focusing on what Joe Jackass thinks and believes and start to focus our hate on the government system itself. We're on the fast road to self destruction if everything is done out of hate and to stick it to' them'
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One side is more corrupt than the other.
Which side that is, I leave as an exercise to the reader. But I assure you one side is worse, and that means we have to vote for the other side.
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Corruption is OK as long as one is the lesser of two evils.
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If there was actual left, there would be health care already. Instead there are billionaires.
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Liberals aren't left. You guys have far right and neolib mid-right
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I only ever see "both sides are the same" as a atrawman, here. I've never seen it presented genuinely, generally I see "I have issues with the Democrats" and the only response is either "but the other guys are worse" and "bOtH sIDeS aRe ThE sAmE!!"
ALMOST as if having an actual conversation about the problems people with the Democrats makes people uncomfortable.
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The only things liberals know how to do are using whataboutism to deflect all criticism of the Democrats by talking about the Republicans, and doing genocide apologia.
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They will make an argument like my mom where they just think its all rigged anyway, and then vote for the firsf radical they see even if ifs Traitor Trump. You have to realize these people are not even slightly informee
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Cool, one side is more to the left than the other side, so that makes them left. Comments like yours are both extremely fucking useless and getting old.
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Liberal just means not conservative. There is no monolithic body called "the liberals" whose beliefs are all alike. It's a spectrum.
It's frankly incredible how often this needs to be stated.
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All peolpe who say all liberals aren't left are idiots who like to lump everyone into one box to make their point.
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Neoliberalism is a far right ideology brought to mainstream politics by Ronald Reagan and Margret Thatcher. Later embraced by the most right wing of the american pseudo left like Clinton who abandoned their traditional union and grassroot support for the big banks and extra large corporate funding. This led to the embracement of neo conservativism by Newt Gingrich and the right in general to differentiate themselves from the new political shift from the pseudo left wings encroachment on their bread basket, the corporations. Enter the US downward spiral to our current political landscape as the neolibral wing marches ever right and the conservative wing courts the endless bag of batshit crazy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
Just because the word has the root liber in it does not make it left on a political spectrum.
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Liberalism is pro-Capitalist, it was only ever considered left wing when it was revolutionary, ie in feudalism.
In the modern, Capitalist and Imperialist era, Liberalism supports the status quo and is right wing because of it.
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Liberals aren’t left.
Leftism is when you're in favor of a 3% increase in the marginal tax rate, an increase in the number of Pell Grants issued annually, and an expansion of eligibility for Medicaid under a new means testing regime..
What you're thinking of is the Far-Left, which is when you become an Authoritarian National Socialist and kill 6M Jews, like Joseph Stalin did when he illegally invaded Germany.
Its called Horseshoe Theory. And if you weren't so busy skipping classes to go protest Joe Biden, maybe you'd have learned about it.
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Lol
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Oh, I wanted so much to be with you here, and bits of pieces of your comment are correct, but other bits and pieces are completely fucking insane, that makes me think you're an alien blob or an undertrained llm trying to mimic human political argument.
Stalin was so happy to be backstabbed by his Hitler friend, so he illegally (wtf is that, can you do it legally?) invaded Germany, starting from destroying Soviet critical infrastructure using German bombers
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Yeah dude really we get it the right are bad and they're evil but holy shit how come the Democrats have to be so fucking awful at their job?
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You're going to get downvoted, but You're not necessarily wrong. So often the Democrats take the "high road" and let Republicans walk all over them because the Republicans don't care about the rules or about decorum.
And Democrats are SO BAD AT MESSAGING. I mean my god, they should be shouting their successes each and every time they speak, but you really just don't hear it. And every new movement gets so easily misconstrued by Republicans because of the nature of how complex the ideas and solutions are, so actual intent gets lost in "defund the police" and "black lives matter" (both of which I wholly support, so don't come at me). Those phrases mean something extremely important, but it's too easy for Republicans to make them sound like they mean something bad.
And journalists don't care because controversy sells, not wins.
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This has more to do with most media and social media being owned by billionaires putting their thumbs on the scales. They support certain social issues to seem leftist but they are all conservative financially and on anything that could affect their bank account. There is very little true left leaning media in America.
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Making the case that the government needs to step in and take control of many if these issues, but Dems dont want that either because wE'rE a cApiTaLiSt nAtIoN.
And DtP and BLM could easily be advanced by simply posting videos everywhere of police brutalizing white people , because the right cheers when they see police brutalize blacks. Dems DO NOT KNOW WHO THEY ARE DEALING WITH
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Find the Fair Vote org in your state
And see how progress on ranked choice voting is going in your state legislature.
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I don't like this meme because the last two panels don't rhyme.
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I think they're going for tried a coup / want you rhyme but the scanscion doesn't work
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They do rhyme, some of the stanzas
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AAAND the bots/Russian plants have swarmed the comment section.
Ah US politics 2024.
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Да ладно тебе, ну заполонили, и что с того?
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Weird, I'm just seeing a bunch of NSA bots.
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You can tell by how very suddenly the sheer number of comments blows the fuck up once anything not vlad-approved picking up steam.
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This is the scene that plays in my head whenever people talk about how great Hamilton is. I can’t help it.
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i agree with the rhetorical goals of this meme, but it does its job poorly.
some better options:
- the right yawns when kids get shot
- the left seeks to put in place bare minimum common sense gun laws
- the left wants healthcare to be a human right
- the right wants healthcare to be privatized for the benefit of investors
- the right wants trans people, an incredibly small fraction of the population, to be harassed, abused, and murdered
- the left doesn’t want that
- the right is actively looking to get a national ban on abortion
- the left supports a woman’s bodily autonomy, and recognizes that abortion can also be a life saving procedure but that such decisions should remain between a pregnant person and their doctor
and one very important and fucking atrocity of a similarity between the parties that will be used as a “gotcha” to “prove” all of the left/progressives are a poisoned well:
- Republicans are Zionists and support an active genocide
- Democrats are Zionists and support an active genocide
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"Oh, you can see a well defined difference between the only two parties with a chance at winning an election in the US? I guess youre actually a Lib TM bc theres absolutely no way, none at all, that you might be anything left of center."
Also, you missed,
The left wants to fund the Ukranians fighting their sovereignty,
The right wants vlad the dictator to steamroll eastern europe bc daddy dump says hes big and strong unlike the clearly gencocidal nazi Volodomyr "no, i wont give u dirt on ur political opponents just for protecting my people, you imbecile" Zelenskyy.
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- Republicans are Zionists and support an active genocide
- Democrats are Zionists and support an active genocide
"President Biden told the Israeli leader that airstrikes that killed aid workers were “unacceptable” and appeared to condition future support on how Israel changes course." https://archive.ph/t5tIi
Trump tells Israel to "finish the job" in gaza
https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b
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these are true but facts picked in bad faith. biden has also said “I am a Zionist” and has shown no restraint in financially supporting the apartheid regime.
Yes, there is nuance and separation to the hows and the degrees of the Zionism and supprt for genocide. But neither side is anything less than culpable.
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Oh and he punished them by stopping the military aid right?
No?
So it's just political theater then.
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Did Biden to tell them to "cut it out"?
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"The left"
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Those red and blue dots are damned close together for one guy that incited a coup, kept mein kampf on this nightstand writes love letters to Putin and IL.
Biden is nowhere near where I want him to be policy-wise, But to try to put them close together on social issues is disingenuous
The political compass site is far from scientific.
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Why don't you join a political party and start a grassroots campaign to replace First Past the Post?
Or maybe you already belong to a party, and are just trying to create apathy to prevent people from voting Democratic to ensure Trump gets re-elected?
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Yeah, probably just another Democrat bot posting about 🔵 🌊
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"Biden is less authoritarian than Trump!" I cry as I'm dragged into the back of a police cruiser for criticizing Israeli. I'd go into further detail, but the police are currently gagging me, beating me with their batons, and harnessing me to the Palestinian Chair
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democrats are not leftists, and havent really helped with healthcare in the grand scheme of things
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Centrists do tend to abandon rhyme schemes when rapping.
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Yes, the left wants you to have health care, but Democrats are not of the left. They are just right light.
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I laughed way too hard at this. Please OP more.
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Liberals use the Boogeyman of the ignorable "Russian troll" to protect themselves of criticism of the Democratic Party the same way the Republican Party uses "Youth Snowflake".
It's an easy out to pretend that anyone "reasonable" wouldn't say anything that makes you think the party isn't doing enough and hurts your sensibilities of good.
Once again the moderate upper middle class asking that nothing change until they are done being happy because it makes it easier to ignore the cries of those suffering.
Neat.
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Snowball "Sabo" Two in the middle panel tho
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So is this supposed to sway centrists to democrat?
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So are you trying to create voter apathy and make sure Trump gets elected, comrade?
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Sway centrists? No, this is to make fun of their idiocy (or pretend centrism). If they would be swayed, living in a world where the issues in the panel are repeatedly thrown at them would have done it already. Those morons deserve nothing but ridicule.
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I think its supposed to sway centrists to Republican.
I mean, revolting against the government is an age-old celebrated patriotic tradition. But a socialized medical system? Sounds like leftists want to turn us into Venezuela.
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Radical.
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The hot new thought-terminating cliche
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Cheered on by squatting, fake-Adidas-wearing troll farm shitheads in Krasnoyarsk with rotten teeth, meth-and-vodka wages, and no purpose existing but as parasites on the rest of humanity.
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Cringe meme
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I've seen the "both sides" phrase used to criticize leftists (e.g. people who voted for Bernie or Warren in the 2020 primaries) and moderates (e.g. people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries) so I don't really know what it means anymore.
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Yeah... It's actually liberal moderates who think there's a difference between the 2 parties... Progressives (leftists) understand that both parties are working for the same corporate sponsors.
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Left party? Where is it?? Are you talking about the narcoleptic grampa who loves to bomb kids? boi oh boi, you guys live in fairyland…
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Democrats are not Left and they won't want you to have healthcare... Or we'd have it when they had all the branches. Try again Democrat bot.
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Try again Democrat bot.
Beep boop dork.
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Very cool
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Or we’d have it when they had all the branches
You mean the supermajority that was 72 working days?
I mean sure the party isn't so progressive. But "why didn't they fix X?" is a bit stale. Either way, FPtP sucks.
EDIT: just a trifecta is marred by senators like Manchin and Sinema, and things like filibusters may still be an issue (also something like universal healthcare would likely not be as simple as passing 1 bill with a simple majority)
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We can agree FPtP sucks. 👍
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SAY THE LINE BART!
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"I didn't do it"
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I've never seen anyone say both sides are the same. I've seen people dismiss any and all criticism of Democrats as both-sidesism, I see that a lot. It's social media's favorite strawman.
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I've seen a lot of criticism of Democrats that obviously implies both sides are equally bad, I've seen plenty of plainly stated "both sides are the same", and I've even seen a couple of "Biden is worse than Trump" ultra-tankie takes.
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Horseshoe theory is bullshit but seen a lot here and on every social media platform.
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"Both sides" in the context of this meme is about the mainstream, Dems and repubs. Horseshoe theory is about the fringe. You don't see similarities between Nazis and tankies?
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Literally every damn day on this platform I see someone unironically taking this exact stance.
Oh and encouraging people not to vote.
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I've seen it, but its extremely rare compared to the number of times people on this platform accuse someone of saying that because they say something like "I'm not voting for anyone who knowingly gives weapons to other countries to commit genocide."
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I do, on the grounds that they both care jack shit about people, aren't accountable to people and don't represent people's interest. They are two sports teams, both playing the same game of pretending people have a choice, even when the choice is between bad and worse.
Once you start to squint, it becomes incredibly obvious that one really is worse than bad. This is still a nuance that is only there to force people to vote lesser evil instead of solutions.
Are they the "same" same? No. Indistinguishably same? No. Still, they're two, say, basketball teams in a system that brainwashed people to vote for the best basketball team to determine who's gonna be rowing the country back to normalcy. How voting for the best rowers is somehow just not an option never ceases to fascinate me, but, apparently, they're bad at basketball, and another one is even worse, so what do I know?
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I agree with all of this. Two groups can be bad at the same time, even if they don't like each other, and even if one of them is worse.
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They're not on the right.... They're aggressive capitalists. They want you to have healthcare that you pay for.
They want someone to make a profit off of it. If it's socialized "single payer" healthcare like other first world countries, then "the government" will have nearly unlimited power to basically dictate what procedures cost, which will impact the profits of private hospitals, doctors, etc. (Nurses get fucked regardless for wages, so I'm not going to touch that topic).
The whole healthcare machine, the one that "provides" healthcare as a means to make profit, would basically collapse under a single payer healthcare system. Getting a government funded system, like "Obamacare" in the mix is a "slippery slope" towards a single payer system, which the ruling class would "suffer" for since they have a nontrivial amount of money tied up in investments with insurance, hospitals, etc. And all those dividends would evaporate if the system even slightly went towards a single payer system.
The ruling class has convinced their brain-dead followers that "the libs" want them to pay for other people's healthcare, and thus those people don't pay for their own, except they do. And the "what do I get out of it" mentality kicks into high gear to basically turn them against the idea of helping anyone, at any time, for any reason.
An actual conservative would be asking about how to fund such a system, so that the budget doesn't fly out of control due to unchecked healthcare spending. A liberal would say to go ahead and give it to everyone and we'll figure out the details on how to pay it later. People need it now and they're suffering without it, so let's put everyone on the same playing field first.
A communist would want the entire system to be annexed, owned, and operated by the state/government, which is acting on behalf of and in the best interest of the people, spoiler for the Americans, you elect your government, they don't act in your best interest; they act in the best interest of whomever is paying them the most, aka, the rulers of the USA, who are aggressively capitalist because it's made each and every one of them rich beyond anyone's imagining.
The whole thing is stupid. The people on the right have their heads shoved so far up the assess of people who don't give any shits about them, that they haven't seen daylight in years. They're constantly rage baited into thinking that someone is going to get a leg up on them because of some handout, whether it's a real cash handout or just one that they think is a handout.
Everyone else is looking for basic fucking rights to live and continue to exist with all the rights and freedoms as everybody. Then bodily autonomy gets ripped away from anyone with a uterus, and if you want to get married, it has to be to someone whom the state deems is an appropriate person for you to marry. If you want to parade down the boardwalk showing pride in who you are, well, that's not right, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!11
I'm tired of hearing about these douchebags that only give a shit about something if some rich asshole tells them to. If you're a conservative, ask yourself, what fucking business is it of yours to tell someone else who they can love? What fucking problem do you have with your neighbor getting "free" treatment for their possibly fatal medical issues? If it's only because someone told you to give a shit about it, maybe rethink your entire life because nobody on the other side is saying you can't get married to whom you love, or get medical care, paid or not, to take care of yourself when you're diagnosed with stage four cancer, Sarah. Go fuck yourself and stop trying to fuck everyone else with your pathetic self absorbed bullshit.
I've been having a rough week. I apologized for swearing so much.
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Why the hell is this downvoted so much, nothing you've said is incorrect
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Idk. I probably hurt people's feelings with the cold hard truth.
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Bro real shit just don't pay your medical bills. They literally cannot make you pay them, and they are used to insurance companies not paying the full price, so they are already prepared to write it off as a tax loss. You give everyone free healthcare and people will be going to the ER for allergies and it will slow down the entire medical system. You needn't look farther than Canada. At least this way everyone can be seen in a timely manner
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The Democrats are currently supporting a genocide in Gaza and are violently attacking the first amendment.
Don't pretend this is about healthcare.
Edit - apparently the people idolizing the Democrats can't handle actual criticism.
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Let's be real here: the entire US government is supporting a genocide in Gaza. Trying to make it out to be a problem only on the left feels incredibly dishonest.
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Oh it's not a problem with the left, it's a political party thing. And they are the ones in charge, the ones in control of the State Department and Pentagon Leahy processes. Congress can pass whatever it wants, unless it passes a repeal of Leahy with a veto proof majority, the administration has very solid ground to stand on. They just refuse to do so.
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You need to post more or to the gulag, comrade.
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1st, 2nd, 4th just for starters
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Can we stop with these unfunny strawman arguments. This echo chamber crap regardless of your left or right, y'all do the exact same memes and none are ever as witty or funny as the creator thinks.
Ah yes the down votes. This is why we can't have nice things. Continue the circle jerk in the echo chamber, I'm sure it'll definitely make a difference as opposed to discussions and change.
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It's not a strawman when there are always people saying Dems are the same as Reps.
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Are Democrats "the left" for you? If anything, they are the center, even more right than left.
The Democrats are closer to the Republicans than they are to the actual left.
SO, if anyone is saying that the Democrats are the same as the Republicans, it should be the actual leftists and the communists instead of the centrists.
I think the center is actually saying "yes, we need more social policies but let's not jump into communism and '0h work week' anti-work shit please". That's it.
I'm pretty sure 90% of centrists would agree with universal Healthcare. I'm not even sure what's the point of this meme. "If you're not with me, you're against me" kind of fallacy? OK.
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They want you to have paid healthcare to protect their lobbyists' profits.
Unless you fall under medicare or medicaid, have fun paying insane insurance costs to cover your medical bills because the "left" is too busy using all their budget to fund a genocide.
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Christ. Let go of the fucking j6 shit. It won't win you anything. You can't use something that only you see as a lever. It's just a plank of wood with no fulcrum.
"Both sides" has to do with theory of power. They have different policies, but both think they own us all the same.
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Coup
2020 Election was clearly stolen. Calling J6 a "coup" or "insurrection" is the hoax of the century. Just look at the footage they don't want you to see of DC police escorting Jacob Chansley through the building. Or Ray Epps shouting, "We need to go IN to the capital." And running free while thousands are locked up as political prisoners.
Let's just completely forget about the "Summer of love" in 2020 with all of the "mostly peaceful protests" and George Soros attorneys refusing to prosecute while innocent people are killed, and buildings burned and looted all over the country.
Healthcare
When we decided to subsidize education with tax dollars prices skyrocketed, and quality went down.
Same story with Healthcare. Both are bureaucratic nightmares.
Both sides are the same
The House voted on Wednesday to pass the bipartisan Antisemitism Awareness Act. Completely gutting your 1st Amendment freedom of speech. The House vote was 320 to 91 with 70 Democrats and 21 Republicans voting against the bill. The politicians in this country are openly betraying you. It doesn't matter left or right. They're not working for you. They're bought and paid for by lobbying money.
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Anyone else remember how good the Internet was before deranged conservative trolls figured out how to use it?
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There used to be a barrier to entry. You needed to have a computer, which was an expensive piece of equipment for most homes. You needed to be able to configure it, and that took knowledge. Some idiot would have to make a webpage, and then some other idiot would have to find it, both things were surprisingly difficult.
Now it's just Eternal September.
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And the earth is flat and JFK is alive and 5G is spreading COVID. Yeah yeah, We know, we know. Lol
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Dumb.
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You are the embodiment of everything that is and had ever been wrong with this country. Your ideological forebearers were always the bad guys and the losers, and you will join them.
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