Too soon?

When the real life is so absurd, the shitposts are just posts. Anyway dude had it coming.

Second amendment you say

It's always interesting when they use expressions like, god-given rights. That's not how it works. A right, in the US, is a privilege that has stronger legal protections. That's all. It's definitely not given by anyone other than the US government.

What about loads of cash?

I don’t really agree with much about anything this guys says but at least he’s willing to commit to what he believes and leads by example.

I think that was just his way of riling support.

Charlie Kirk died defending the 2nd Amendment 😂

Has he tried this tho?

A lifestyle change would have arguably saved him, if he decided to stop living like a human shitstack that is.

Christmas came early this year T_T

I needed some catharsis.

It's my birthday today so hearing about it is one of the best birthday gifts

But not like that! Only the right rights! /s

i mean hes right. shoulda just been on the right side of history

Well Idk, the rest of the world functions well without crazy gun laws ...
Good news though, fuck around and find out in the most American way 😁

Why do god-given rights need to be protected?

They are not god-given. And they are eroding quickly. Did guns help against that in any way?

Sure did! A gun took this bastard out so that he can no longer work at eroding women's, minority, queer and poor rights.
He obviously should have had more guns to protect himself smh

You can see by the picture he finally reached his turning point.
- 😜
I dislike this for so many reasons, but I laughed out loud which means I am legally obligated to upvote
- I will fully note I'm stealing this but, he is an antivaccer who finally got shot.
Fuuuuuuuuck

Too soon?

Nah he's cold now, it's all good.

Great foreshadowing too.

Earlier this year, Utah passed House Bill 128 allowing people to conceal carry firearms on university campuses. One of the campuses where conceal carry was now permitted is, of course, Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was visiting today. He was sitting under a tent with the slogan "Prove Me Wrong".

Immediately before the shooting, he was taking questions from the audience:

“Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked. Kirk responded, “Too many.”

The questioner followed up: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”

“Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked.

Then a single shot rang out.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-event-spokesperson-says

It's unfortunate that he's ineligible for the Darwin Award because he leaves behind 2 very young children and a culture warrior wife, because otherwise he'd be a great nominee for the 2025 Darwin Awards. Normally to get a Darwin Award someone has to directly kill themselves. But, I think in this case we could have make an exception for someone who was a cheerleader for gun rights and was sitting directly under a banner saying "Prove Me Wrong" when he was killed with a gun.

If this is a movie plot, critic would say this is just too cliche.
This was apparently done by a sniper, so not really a conceal carry thing.
honestly deserves a whole new award category a la Herman Cain Award
- Do we have a Hermann Cain awards community here
- Sounds good to me.

I’m getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this ‘no one should be killed for their political beliefs’ take going around.

He wasn’t killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isn’t a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.

That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.

Well said. Claiming he simply died for his political beliefs is highly reductive and disingenuous.
It's bad to kill for political beliefs only if a fascist dies. Otherwise nobody will even know about anything.
It comes across to me as they simply lack empathy for other "kinds" of people. If you actually felt the same pain and empathy when watching the video of Kirk get merked, you should feel that a thousand times over when seeing a thousand videos of the IOF massacring children, many sniped in the same way Kirk got merked, and then you should look upon Kirk in disgust for supporting that and dehumanizing the Palestinian people. But the fact is these people don't. They don't see other "kinds" of people different from them as in fact "people." Let's be real, they don't feel the same kind of empathy for Palestinian fathers dying as they do a white fascist dying. They constantly mock the deaths of minority groups like trans people. They suddenly have empathy and demand pacifism and valuing the sanctity of all life when a white fascist dies, but are silent in every other case.
There was a way around this that would have resulted in no deaths. Trump should been prosecuted for the January 6th insurrection. Then we should have put a bunch of fascists in jail for a long time. Then we should have de-platformed grifters.
But none of that happens so. We get what we get.
- We’re never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either. They’re two sides of the same coin.
  If we want the law to mean anything, and we want it used to hold people accountable, over 90% of sitting congresspeople and senators can now be prosecuted for aiding genocide, which they did in violation of domestic & international laws. That would certainly set a tone and precedent for the future.
Seriously, he's words and actions have probably resulted in the deaths of others, why shouldn't he have gotten this outcome?
- The Republicans’ rubber stamp, and lack of a competent opposition, is proving to be an absolute nightmare for the party. They’re getting away with everything they ever wanted, and people are seeing the immediate consequences play out. When your policies start killing people, people literally fight back. You’ve given people nothing to lose, and this population is armed to the teeth. What did they think was going to happen?
  You can’t declare war on a population, and then expect to walk freely in the open air among that population.
  The Republicans getting everything they ever wanted will be what caused the party’s destruction. The Democrats helping them do it will destroy them, too.
If you're part of a movement that's taking vaccines away from babies, well, you're evil and people are going to respond to that.
His family shouldn't expect empathy, and he wouldn't want his death to distract from full Epstein file disclosure.
- Charlie Kirk wouldn't have wanted you to feel any empathy for him or his family.
  "I can’t stand the word empathy actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics"
- Assuming his kids are young enough, I'd feel bad for them. They probably don't understand well enough.
  His wife though I don't care for at all, and will likely use his death for profit and to make her kids extremists. One can only hope they question why their father was hated enough to be killed while most people everyday aren't.
- I expect the NRA will stage a gunshow at a nearby site someplace in the next few days, right? Its what they do for school shootings and this was at a school. So Kirk's fam can stock up on cheap ammo.
See the issue with this mentality is that THIS is the mentality of authoritarians. You try to find ways to justify the murder of the people you politically disagree with while not applying the same standard to the people you politically agree with.
What you're doing is helping set a precedent that political violence is justified if you frame it in a certain way. If that's the case then other extremist whackos, including conservative ones, are going to start doing the same thing. What's there from stopping some conservative nutjob from shooting someone like Hasan Piker or AOC or Mamdani or anyone on the left really as a retaliation? After all, if what you're saying here is now passing as a valid justification, then they'll just use your very own justification to justify their own actions.
The things that authoritarians don't understand is that when principles aren't applied universally, the standard becomes subjective, and sooner or later, their abuse of power will come back to bite them in the ass by the very standard they helped establish. I am fully aware that Lemmy is usually off the deep end on politics, but this is too unhinged even for this platform.
- Again, he was far beyond “political disagreement.” He was promoting actual, race-targeted violence domestically and internationally. If you’re going to be a Nazi terrorizing your community, you’re going to be a target for retaliation.
- It's a conundrum. But remember, this guy said It's fine for some to die from guns. So I sure as hell ain't wasting a caring thought on him.
  https://medium.com/@Setfrasers2stun/the-paradox-of-tolerance-or-how-silencing-nazis-does-not-make-you-a-nazi-53a073b33a35

Shhh, do you hear that? That's the bullet headed to my neck.

If America, and the taxes we pay for them to kill, kills innocent civilians, and most of us go along everyday not giving a fuck then why should we give a single fuck about this?

Shit my paid taxes paid less for this than more monstrous murders. There's less blood on my hands from this murder than the Israel Gaza war or any other war. Basically my tax payments have paid for more heartless shit than this. Yet that's all cool and this is supposed to not be okay?

Look what you made me do, I've opened a bottle of very good pinot to ponder these things.

Nah empathy is for the weak.

You know what else causes a lot of damage? Getting shot in your facist neck.
Well fuck. Now I have to actually have empathy for his death or he will get what he wants. 😭
- have empathy for his children, who didn't ask to be born into this
  and uh I guess that's about it
- Eh, we can start tomorrow.
- No because you kjow he meant 'except for me. Have empathy for me.'
  So laugh at him and offer your neighbors dome help
Now finish the quote
- I think all of his quotes are finished, now.

Why didn't he just edit out his death, like he did with all the debates he lost? Is he stupid?

Have you even sent your thoughts and prayers yet?

Two in the thoughts, one in the prayers.
- Instructions unclear, I now have two strangely smelly women and one weird methodist lady waving pregnancy tests at me.
I'm not religious. He won't even get those. And not many thoughts, either.

Wikipedia editors already 'was'ed all his 'is's 😂

Pretty sure Wikipedia has a single button that changes all present tense to past sense. Someone who's more familiar with it correct me if I'm wrong though.
- I have no idea but I like to imagine hundreds of editors rushing out every time there's a prominent death to be the first to change it.
- Wouldn't be surprised

His face seems larger in this pic than usual

Well he had more blood flowing in this photo

He died doing what he loved.

Being a cunt

This is a TRAGEDY! WHY couldn't they MURDER A BUNCH OF KINDERGARTNERS Instead? This SUCKS! It's TIME for Trump to send the Military into the Shithole Blue state of Utah!

There was a school shooting today in Colorado. Dead kids.
And yet the top news is this dude.
- That happens all the time it's not news.
  Someone getting the justice they deserve? That's news!
  But I didn't know about the school shooting. I am so fucking sick of this shit. It's not ok for the conservatives to have conversations with their kids about gay people existing but it's perfectly fine for me to have a conversation with my kids telling them they might die when they go to school right?
I like them anyway, but your comments never fail at being slightly annoying. I know it's parody of trump and his type of posts, but it's just a little too on the nose and the intermittent all caps words gets on my nerves. 10/10 Boomerposting

Advocating for the removal of others rights is violence. This seems like self defense.

I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn't been there (which they were) they'd undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That's a hell of a way to lose a parent.

The fact that he died while in the middle of talking about trans mass shooters being a huge problem certainly makes it feel like cosmic karma at work. I struggle to give a shit about the man himself being shot dead. But I do worry about political violence... it's a very rare occasion when murdering someone sitting in a chair talking is a good idea. Not a single person in his right-wing sphere of repugnance is going to do any self-reflection and change their ways, they'll just become even more rabidly anti-everything left of Hitler. Shit like this doesn't go unanswered too often. Violence is a contagion with no cure except time, and the clock gets set back another decade every time someone retaliates. I'm sure we could chain all of these assassinations together into a causal sequence. But even if they're all independent events, the narrative-makers will be hard at work making it sound like a grand battle of the ages, so the result is the same either way.

Source: History, memory...

P.S. Any bets that the shooter was a MAGA nut? Seems to be the trend 👀

I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn’t been there (which they were) they’d undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That’s a hell of a way to lose a parent.
It's what he wanted. Quick, too.
It is fucked for those kids though. Not their fault.
- Wtf, I knew this guy was a nutter, but never really knew that much about him.
  The USA is so screwed holy balls.
America is becoming a pvp server like in the 60s
- nicely repaly
Speaking as someone with a shitty sociopath 'parent':
They've seen enough its not too much escalation. And now they never have to deal with his bullshit again. The emotions will be complicated, but they won't all be bad.
You're looking for someone to cry for. Cry for tye victims of this toxic shit. The kids he turned into nazis. The people who died on the street. The querrs who suffered abd possibly died in silence. All because this didnt happen sooner.
Cry with joy for those that might live now. If you have that much surplus of tears.
- I get what you mean, but there's a chance he was nice to his kids specifically.
  I don't think it's likely, but there's a chance they've been fully brainwashed to care. I can't see someone like Kirk being like that though.
  I guess time will tell.
Apparently the far right nazis were going heavy against Kirk lately
- Lol, entropy of victory, especially for tjose wjo believe in nothing. It's beautiful.
Yeah I agree that it wouldn't have been easy on the kids. However, if dont think seeing a parent get shot, would be much different than having them die of cancer or anything else really.
Certainly, the kids have my sympathy.
Yeah his kids and family didn't deserve that.
He may have, but they didn't. That's why this kind of thing is usually frowned upon I suppose.
Well he was Charlie Kirk, so it might have been nice for his kids to see

His death doesn't proof him wrong. Drones and robots will, when the rights are taken and the weapons are not enough to defend them.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

~Ben Franklin.

(Realized this could be miss interpreted. I mean Kirk doesn't deserve neither liberty nor safety)

Things Trump do to stop people from talking about Epstein...

This is some tin foil hat shit solely because Trump is too stupid to do any elaborate planning like this
- Wow, dude. He's your elected representative.
Wow, i heard Trump orchestrated this to distract from the Epstien files.
- Heard the same thing. Many people are saying it, very smart people! So maybe it's true? I'm just asking questions!

I am so glad that i live in the timeline where Charlie Kirk was the sole victim of a school shooting. I'm glad he could die defending the Second Amendment

Not too soon. Just in the neck of time.

You misspelled n.... Ooohhh I see what you did there
You sly dog! You got me to read your post four times before I noticed!
- I'm surprised no one made the same joke first. Guess I'm ahead of the game.

Curious. He claims to be pro life, but dies

What a hypocrite

My graph has chickens and roost but yeah

"No Way to Stop This Happening" Says Only Country Where This Regularly Happens.

America's Finest News Source

I actually looked up that meme template before making this, but then I realized that's not Charlie Kirk. It's another, though at least alive, conservative commentator Steven Crowder. Who, I imagine, is probably questioning his career choices today.
- Kirk was under a "change my mind" banner as he said his last words "gang violence"
  He's also espoused that we have to accept a certain amount of deaths so we can keep the 2nd amendment.
- Are you suggesting that he might be (puts on sunglasses) changing his mind?

Dickhead memelord got where Mosley and Rockwell didn't.

Thoughts and prayers, bitch

i'm out here looking for thots and players instead, a lil' celebration ya know

I guess that is living up his beliefs; have to respect a man that does that.

He was literally lying about mass shootings when he was shot:
Immediately before the shooting, Kirk was taking questions for an audience member about mass shootings and gun violence.
“Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked. Kirk responded, “Too many.”
The questioner followed up: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”
“Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked
Then a single shot rang out.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-event-spokesperson-says
- Sometimes in the future...
  "Mummy, what kind of man was Daddy?"
  "Well... His final words were 'Counting or not counting gang violence?'"
- Sounds like he was trying to push for taking away gun rights for trans people.
I wouldn't use the word "living".
- he would die for his beliefs
You don't; i doubt he consented, so it ckunts for nothing. but we can pretend we're laughing with rather than at him.

Aaaand this is how I found out. Good riddance!

I found out from a clip wife showed me. Got no clue who he was but he was surrounded by MAGA hats.
Boy that was a lot of blood!
- Can you link me the clip? All I'm seeing are the versions on news sites
to bad rubbish.

Holy shit, I'm in the middle of buttfuck nowhere with no internet for days, and THIS is the news that comes through when I reconnect?! Perhaps I treated this timeline too harshly

Don't worry. This is the casus belli that the Guardians Of Pedophiles have been trying to force for months. As much as I love California, I think it's time to head back to BC. Things are about to get much worse in the US.
My advice to anyone else that isn't prepared to fight for survival is to find a way out now. You don't have long.
- This is the casus belli that the Guardians Of Pedophiles have been trying to force for months.
  I don’t know. It’s not quite right. Utah is God’s Country. They’re looking for something in Los Angeles, Chicago, DC. The liberal hellholes.
- I'm not intending to leave my country to the Nazis.
- For a lot of us we can't simply leave. And if we can, it could still take years for visas. If we are lucky it will be short, but I'm not too optimistic.
Careful sounds like your guard is slipping...
This guy basically had a twilight zone when he reconnect.
7 Days Without Clocks or Windows
You should go off grid for a week and see what zombie apocalypse you've missed.

lol. lmao, even.

Mainstream corporate media will ignore this like they did the 2 democratic senators right? Right?

Or all those journalists who are dying in palestine?

A 9/11's eve miracle!

Every gun owner should watch the front row video of what guns do to a human body.

Thing is most gun owners who hunt know. I saw a man shot at close range when I was in my early twenties. I wasn't involved, just passenger in a car nearby when it happened. The next day there was nothing about it in the papers. Nothing at all. This guy gets shot and no one cared.
I shot pigs for slaughter at close range right between the eyes when I was ten or eleven years old. All us kids took a turn and in some ways it was a good thing. Its good you know where meat comes from. Only a fool would think that shooting a person isn't going to result in a large amount of blood. That shot was in a region of the body that has closely grouped large arteries and veins. No surprise there was so much blood. Anyone who is surprised should be thankful they have never seen something like that before.
I saw that video of the man shooting himself in those faces of death videos back in the 90's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Budd_Dwyer I felt bad about it because they said he was a good man. As for Kirk I feel very little. His words have made me care very little for him. Similar to how I felt when that healthcare guy got deleted.
I realize I may be more desensitized to the things like this than most. At least I hope so.
- I have never seen a person get shot in person (I’ve seen those videos too) but I have hunted pigs and kangaroos, bullet wounds really aren’t portrayed well in media.
  What’s funny to me is that American conservatives will argue that you can’t have guns in Australia. You can. We have guns and… no school shootings. No politicians being assassinated.
  Charlie Kirk spouted all kinds of bullshit about my country. I’m very happy he won’t be doing that anymore.
- and in some ways it was a good thing.
  It is. It really should be a prerequisite for gun ownership: you have to kill something.
  That is a threshold I can't personally cross, so I don't think I should own a gun (and I dont).
If taser training includes being tased, gun training should include being shot.
- That's pretty extreme. Also you can buy a taser without training in the US, so your point doesn't even stand.
And when that person is Charlie Kirk it’s a beautiful thing.
Yup, I did. Now what? Am I supposed to feel bad that an asshole died?
- No, but there was a shooting of 3 innocent students in Colorado today and now you know what happened to them. And the Uvalde students... Dozens of them...
Not that I disagree per se, but this just sounds like the STD powerpoint from middle school health class: useless by itself.
- Tell me you got an STD without telling me you got an STD...

Two in the thoughts, one in the prayers, you shitbag.

His video gaming days are over. I am assuming that he played videogames.

If you’re nice to people and you’re a positive force in society and you do t associate with bad people, no one is going to hate you or laugh at you when you die. Heck all you need is to be neutral. The bar is pretty low.

no one is going to hate you
There are some agitators out there who will villify anything, but for the most part you're right
- The entire problem is that people like Charlie are specifically hating people who are doing nothing wrong and being neutral. I completely agree with you. He is the agitator. It shows you who the bad guys are when you see who they root against.
Tell that to Mrs. Rachel and Mr. Rogers

I was getting my haircut and FOX was on the TV when I found out he died from the shooting. Barbershop is Vietnamese owned and the barber was busy on his phone when I get there. I've been there many times without FOX on the TV and hope they just put a random news channel on.

Fox was showing the reaction from various congress-critters and they got to AOC. AOC's message was this another example of we we need some gun control in a much better way than I am relaying. When FOX went back to the host he immediately said she was wrong. HIPAA laws should be relaxed so problematic people could be found before they commit crimes.

We shouldn't use people's medical records to Minority Report them

When you're about to wear your heart on your sleeve:

Interesting, looks like it could have been a sniper round. Whoever did this was definitely prepared.
That is a fucking savage post. But, according to the victim, Empathy is a fault. Funny how that plays out.
- the only reasonable course of action is to mock him mercilessly. it's what he would have wanted.
FYI, spoiler tags do not work across all platforms.
- I chose a moment to screenshot that wasn't over the top gore, it's fine.
aw he looks like he's pooping his pants
wittle panty pooper with a wittle face
edit: remember, it's okay to make fun of Nazis
Jfc
Oof where'd you get that????
- Screenshot from the video link posted in another comment.
https://youtu.be/Ag1o3koTLWM

It's his own fault. Nobody told him to trip and fall on those bullets.

Wasn't sure where to post this since I'm not aware of a Lemmy equivalent of r/imgoingtohellforthis

Political memes is probably fine at this point

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Hey, guy lived up to his lofty ideals. Can't fault him for that

He died so we can have more gun deaths!

"Not like THAT! Other peoples deaths!"

He literally got what he asked for. You would hope it might give some of the other hate peddlers pause.....but I doubt it.

sic semper tyrannis

Oh dear! Thoughts and prayers 🙏

If only there’d been a bad guy with a gun around to stop this.

I wonder if the right wing "think" tanks who fund TPUSA are going to try to find a new grifter to run the show or let it die with Kirk and start a new thing.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/23/turning-point-rightwing-youth-group-critics-tactics

I bet the billionaires who back it will put Candace Owens in charge next.
It served its purpose. They won't mourn it more than we will.

He reaped what he sowed, may we all be so lucky.

Thoughts and prayers.

I love all of you so much.

First I heard he was shot and assumed not bad, found the video and… he was dead before be hit the ground

What was the saying with the good guy with a gun again?

Wait what? Did someone off him??

Yeah, news hasn't said he's dead yet, but the video is very gruesome. I don't see anyway he'd survive.
Very very not safe for work / lunch - click at your own risk. https://mastodon.social/@Ulfh3dnar/115181548207581457
Edit: He's dead. https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna230437?amp_js_v=0.1&amp_gsa=1#webview=1
- I was eating lunch when I watched it. I'm fine. I have empathy when I step on a bug. Not for hateful people like that though.
- Damn couldn’t happen to a nicer guy
- Jesus Christ, when someone said a fountain i thought they were playing it up
- Clicked on it. Yeah that’s some NSFL stuff.
- Yeah. Modern medicine is amazing, but that looks pretty much un-surviveable.
- Yeah, that's not a good place to get shot. AP news said he, "grabbed up with his right hand to his left shoulder" or some shit but that dude is unconscious immediately. Just that old "fencer's response" Prolly gonna die.
- I unfortunately looked at it. The guy saying, "Yeah, gang violence" right before, is some weird shit.
  Also, why would anyone kill him? He's been irrelevant for awhile now, yeah?
- Who needs an RSS feed? I can get curated news delivered to me in lemmy comments
- Fuck, glad I waited to smoke a joint on that one. That doesn't really seem survivable. Especially with the way the body moved. Though I want confirmation.
- Fabulous!