Rednote right now
Rednote right now
The conversations are amazing



Rednote right now
The conversations are amazing
It's uncomfortable seeing Xi with an actual jawline..
TOPXI
Xi Chadping
If banning tik tok ends up galvanizing demand for healthcare reform I'm going to laugh my ass off
Good comrades like Lady Izdihar are taking off in a big way, might help radicalize a lot of people towards Marxism even.
Rednote's algorithm seems very receptive to communist content, at least compared to what I'm used to. Hope it stays that way.
Eh, there's truth and lies on both sides. Coming from someone that lived in china for 4 years and was able to engage with Chinese primary news sources. But basic healthcare in china is faster and cheaper, but then again I went to get a wart removed and they prescribed me acorn paste that accelerated the growth of the wart. So win some lose some.
Everyone pretending Europe doesn't exist? Most countries have most healthcare for "free" (mandatory healthcare taxes).
The kinda people joining Rednote right now are not the same kinda people who know alot about geopolitics, or honestly anything beyond their personal bubble. Yeah, they're just gonna keep pretending Europe doesn't exist.
Eh... as someone living in western Europe, I can't say it's free. I would say that it's subsidized at most. We still have to pay a part of our healthcare, we can get a private health insurance to complete the government coverage, but it's still not enough to cover all of it.
Mental health isn't covered at all, ophtalmology barely (still gotta pay 200€ for a pair of glasses, after public + private coverage), dental only the very basic is covered...
Not a single hospital I went to in that country had hand soap in the bathrooms, to give you an idea about the level of hygiene. But going for my yearly sinus infection was a breeze and I got antibiotics. Not a zpack but it cleared up the infection. And no appointments necessary. Breeze in and breeze out an hour later with what you need. And dirt dirt cheap, and on my visa I didn't pay into the national health care system, so my cost was 100% out of pocket.
We are just enjoying the show and eating popcorn, don't give them ideas!
Trying to dodge Chinese traditional medicine in Asian countries when you go to the doctor is such a pain in the ass.
I had to go to three different Japanese doctors before they would give me something other than herbal powder.
I had a colleague who had been a nurse and I'd show my prescriptions and ask "BS or actual medicine" and she'd tell me. I just started asking her first and she'd type out what I need before I went to the doctor.
The wart had to grow so it could be killed
If you'd have left it @caboose2006@lemm.ee, it would've become a mighty oak. You Westerners are weak. Who wouldn't want a mighty oak growing out their dick?
Wart fertilizer perhaps
Circle jerking about China is as ridiculous as circle jerking about the US. We've been here before with US vs USSR, but this time everyone has a megaphone and an IQ that can be measured with a ruler.
I mean isn't this more "circle jerking " about dismantling state propaganda? Interacting with those you were told are your enemy?
Besides, people should always celebrate the positives, and look towards them as something that is possible in their country too.
And as an fyi: when we were here before, the workers revolution in Russia was new. The achievements were so profound that workers in North America began demanding similar concessions from our governments. There was a real threat of overthrowing the existing power structures. And what happened? Weekends, literacy, healthcare, just generally improved living conditions. To dismiss cultural exchange as circle jerking is to ignore history and the power that comes with knowing things are better elsewhere, and that you can have that too.
when we were here before
🎶Couldn't look you in the eye 🎶
You keep on coping there little buddy. What's happening is that regular people from both countries are now talking directly to each other, and finding out what life is actually like.
Uhhh, not exactly regular people. From what I've seen from the Rednote, at least my feed is wealthy upper-middle or upper class, while the Americans are from low to middle class.
what was preventing them from doing it before?
Sorry for being pedantic, but those foldable work rulers are exactly 2 m long (at least in MetricLandia), which is, incidentally, the span of IQ values (0-200).
So yeah, it literally can be mapped one-to-one to a (common type of) ruler.
200cm, the american one is up to 80 inches 😁
This is a common ruler where you live?
In my country we have rulers with 12 in/ ~30cm as the most common. We also have "yardstick" which is more often a meter stick now. But no foldable rulers.
It's honestly very wholesome to see this kind of interaction. On top of cute moments like Chinese users telling the new US users that they are their "spies," seeing a lot of blatant myth dispelling surrounding the PRC is great to help tear down the Red Scare.
I was told that I was a spy in RL. Why would a European person learn Chinese? Clearly spy.
People are people no matter where they live, which also means you can't trust any government anywhere. Propaganda is powerful.
The idea of a social credit score has always been hilarious to me, like yo bros we have credit scores over here and they legitimately fuck us over since you need good credit to do alot of things like renting a place to live.
The comparison is wild because financial credit score is much worse. Imagine you are a model citizen but big corp keeps you poor so youre denied basic human needs. On the other hand you are a murderer but as long as you have the moneyz you can do whatever you want.
Of course, social credit score can be misused to push agendas and manipulate the whole popularity if the wrong people implement it. Not trying to defend it in any way, it is a terrible idea. But financial credit score is suppression of the poor by design.
Lmao
Kek even
They could, but they dont want to.
The ban discussion originated during the 2020 election when Trump didn't like the information being spread there as he thought it aligned more with left wing policies. So he wanted it banned. People kept pushing the "it's bad for kids" bullshit to keep it rolling until it finally went into effect. The Democrats didn't try to stop it, and the people voted back in the person who wanted it banned. So effectively, they did vote for it in a way.
Trump wanted the ban when he was in office, Biden actually did the ban when he was in office.
Who could I have voted for to keep it from being banned?
I think there's a simple desire to move to pastures new. "Use Instagrmam or Youtube Shorts or Snapchat" No, we've been there and done that.
Imagine allowing citizens to be so free that they can go to your biggest rival's social media to read narratives favouring them, get influenced by rival propaganda, and then shit you on your percieved weak points.
It’s never too late to discard your patriotism to a state that doesn’t give a fuck about you. You don’t owe it your allegiance, be it Burgerland or India or whichever shitty capitalist state.
How does the US ban on TikTok thatbmakes people switch to rednote now fit this description?
wow the level of cope in this thread (thankfully not that many tho) arguing over stats - which are probably made up anyway.
some people can't handle that most humans just wanna be friends regardless of gov politics bs
some people can’t handle that most humans just wanna be friends regardless of gov politics bs
Yes exactly. There are lots of internet weirdos trying to spread culture war nonsense, but if you actually go outside every once in a while, you realize that most people just aren't like that. I work in a restaurant that has a lot of ukrainian and russian visitors (migrants). At one point, a large group of russians came in for a birthday party, and they asked the owner to put on a playlist of russian music. Like, really cheesy russian pop. After some time, a girl from a smaller table of ukrainians calls me over and complains about the music. I relay it to the owner, and he asks them what they would rather listen to instead. They tell him, and he adds their songs on the queue. The rest of the evening was spent playing and dancing to russian and ukrainian and armenian songs (the owner is armenian, and there were some armenian guests too) and the atmosphere was just generally very chill. Not a single fuck was given about politics that evening.
Now if we could just get rid of all those power-hungry dicks who keep poisoning the human spirit, let it be with Capitalism, Maoism, Neoliberalism and whatnot…
Thing is, the concern about RedNote is completely valid. Even if you strip away any overarching US propaganda or whatever, we know that the CCP does really, really shitty things as well and take heavy, manipulative influence (yes yes, the US and its defacto Feudal Lords owning Meta etc. do so too).
I'm just angry people won't take their time to look into this whole topic and go with more propaganda-resistant, federated alternatives. Not perfect, but better than a centralized service that can be influenced by either China or the US. Or Russia… or literally anyone. So that we can, in the end, just dance to some nice human music.
yep most genuinely don't care, people just hate to be a part of something lol
She can get it.
As a civ player, I know a cultural victory when I see one.
My people are now listening to your pop music and wear your blue jeans eating your noodles and use your social media apps.
Edit: the removed comment said that the social credit score existed based on this Wikimedia article.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
In the Wikipedia article itself:
There has been a widespread misconception that China operates a nationwide and unitary social credit "score" based on individuals' behavior, leading to punishments if the score is too low. Media reports in the West have sometimes exaggerated or inaccurately described this concept.[7][8][9] In 2019, the central government voiced dissatisfaction with pilot cities experimenting with social credit scores. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores, and that punishments should only be limited to legally defined crimes and civil infractions. As a result, pilot cities either discontinued their point-based systems or restricted them to voluntary participation with no major consequences for having low scores.[7][10] According to a February 2022 report by the Mercator Institute for China Studies (MERICS), a social credit "score" is a myth as there is "no score that dictates citizen's place in society".[7]
I have some sources on the child and slave labor, if that helps.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/01/china-carmakers-implicated-uyghur-forced-labor
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/nz0g306v8c/china-tainted-cotton
This last one is ‘Western propaganda’ but is very helpful in identifying the types of products to avoid. It’s near impossible in the US, unless you make your own textiles/clothes or only buy second-hand.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods-print
Your first link is a few paragraphs with no sources whatsoever.
The second one sources Human Rights Watch, who got bodied even on reddit the last time they tried to spread this line. They pretty much source only from Zenz (a far-right anti-semitic christian evangelical who thinks birth conrtrol is genocide).
The third link has Zenz again as its main source.
Its so exhausting to have to debunk the same recycled sources over and over, so here's a megathread:
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs
wow you have a LOT to learn. I recommend you start at the grayzone on youtube.
To be clear, it is overwhelmingly Westerners that wish to depict a Chinese man as a yellow bear. You can talk about Pooh, just not in the way westerners tend to want to.
As for the Social Credit system, the version reported in western media is false and exaggerated. There is a credit system, but it's largely for businesses and other social entities, not some Orwellian big brother system.
To be clear, it is overwhelmingly Westerners that wish to depict a Chinese man as a yellow bear.
Really? Because all sources that I can find trace the origin to Xi’s visit to the Philippines back in 2017.
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2018/11/21/2003704655
Did you read your own link, or just grab the headline from a google search and call it "good enough?"
It’s true that, building on earlier initiatives, China’s State Council published a road map in 2014 to establish a far-reaching “social credit” system by 2020. The concept of social credit (shehui xinyong) is not defined in the increasing array of national documents governing the system, but its essence is compliance with legally prescribed social and economic obligations and performing contractual commitments. Composed of a patchwork of diverse information collection and publicity systems established by various state authorities at different levels of government, the system’s main goal is to improve governance and market order in a country still beset by rampant fraud and counterfeiting.
Under the system, government agencies compile and share across departments, regions, and sectors, and with the public, data on compliance with specified industry or sectoral laws, regulations, and agreements by individuals, companies, social organizations, government departments, and the judiciary. Serious offenders may be placed on blacklists published on an integrated national platform called Credit China and subjected to a range of government-imposed inconveniences and exclusions. These are often enforced by multiple agencies pursuant to joint punishment agreements covering such sectors as taxation, the environment, transportation, e-commerce, food safety, and foreign economic cooperation, as well as failing to carry out court judgments.
These punishments are intended to incentivize legal and regulatory compliance under the often-repeated slogan of “whoever violates the rules somewhere shall be restricted everywhere.” Conversely, “red lists” of the trustworthy are also published and accessed nationally through Credit China.
It really is astounding how much every sinophobes source is inevitably just Wikipedia.
Which in turn its Adrian Zenz 😂
More and more I see them just sending either a duckduckgo search, or the first few links from that search, which is of course always from anglo-supremacist news sources.
It's too bad the people of China aren't allowed to edit Wikipedia, and correct the facts, because of their oppressive state.
Wikipedia
Can you site a source more credible than a crowd sourced encyclopedia run by Americans
*feds. and the criteria for a credible source for them as they need to be western-aligned media. it's a complete joke.
Few things blew my mind even though I've been a big fan of Chinese economic and political policy for a while
They actually really like Soviet Culture, the marching soldiers and flags etc. Soviet rock like Kino and the like is very popular!
They're casually Marxist, its not something they have to fight to learn about so socialism is a casual existence for them. I figured the youth would be "too cool or hip" but doesn't seem to be the case
They're very similar as gamers, they really like shooters like battlefield and cs go. I assume their MMOs are different but I'm asking about that
It truly is a massive cultural exchange the likes of which have never been seen before. I'm trying to find out if they grew up on the same games, Morrowind Deus Ex Thief Ultima Online D&D etc
Oh yeah they really like Soviet culture. My first post on there is of some Soviet artwork and it got 1.3k likes, on a brand new account. Wouldn't see that happening on Insta or Xitter.
Knowledge will break the chains of slavery!
Norway actually does.
Source: Am norwegiam. Am parent.
In the US? Lol, no.
Source: I work with a bunch of Texans.
If only...
"And our tests have concluded, that this is, in fact, a lie."
I still don't believe the TEMU bit though
I like how one person said they don't use child labour because they are inefficient. If they were efficient though ...
I totally believe child labour is inefficient.
I also believe it's cheap and capitalism doesn't care.
TBH I expect it to be the same as everywhere where there are a lot of people with imperfect oversight.
There is going to be some children working just like in the southern US.
You believe the rest lol? I mean it can be true but its just made up internet memes.
Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: Misinformation
Truths you find inconvenient are not misinformation, reporter.
Purely for the purpose of fairness/general interest, here's what I've found from Dessaline in this thread re: debunking on various topics. What you make of them and their merit is up to you, I'm just here cruising this thread for jokes myself.
Will say I think they'd be better served with adding the links when saying this, or under deleted comments saying "topic was x, debunked here [link]", but that's just me. I also cannot say for certainty I've captured every relevant post, particularly re: the content of removed comments [going into the mod log is an extra step I'm not doing rn, but you could if you wanted and try cross-referencing]
https://lemmy.ml/comment/16149912
https://lemmy.ml/comment/16149886
https://lemmy.ml/comment/16136497
https://lemmy.ml/comment/16135781
Edit: Removed one link, as it's a different instance of the same message. Again, think I'm missing stuff but I'm about go offline, so out of time.
Lol people actually believed that social credit score bullshit?
American here, yes. To be fair I don't think about China a lot.
Just goes to show you how deeply permeating the Red Scare is. Reminds me of that "exploding helmets" story that was obviously bogus but peddled as though it was true.
Try to keep in mind that is far from the only thing you've been lied to about. Not just about China either. The US propaganda machine is massive, and far reaching.
You have credit scores in the US?
But... social credit literally is real... There are government legislations on this. It is not a conspiracy theory.
On the other hand Western media definitely has exaggerated and demonized it a lot. The social credit is basically your credit score, but it is more expansive and uses information some might see as encroaching on their personal privacy and freedoms.
The credit score in China is to keep tabs on businesses to prevent corruption and excesses, just basic things the US used to do back in the 1950s, but would now be considered "authoritarian".
The credit scores in the US are used to prevent regular people from getting housing.
In America we call it the credit score...
Plenty of people also still believe the secret Chinese police stations bullshit.
Never heard of mintpress. Looked it up and ooof. What a record
I mean I feel real stupid reading into it, but up until now, yes
Social credit scores were a thing. People were punished for low scores. It only happened in a few cities and it was described as a pilot.
Obviously the pilot got a lot of bad press in and outside China and it is no longer happening
does it surprise you when a non neglible amount of americans believe the earth is flat? or that vaccines have nanomachines to control your brain? 😂
Indeed.
And they believe Uyghur genocide too. They're fucking brainwashed. They completely lack critical thinking capabilities.
A great way to get people to understand is to insult them. That always works well
I didn't think child labor still existed in China, just harsh labor conditions and low pay.
China's government's strict control of the media did, however, lead to me not questioning the social credit score thing.
harsh labor conditions and low pay
As opposed to how it is in the US...?
US media loves to go on about the horrible working conditions in China, claiming 11-hour days and all kinds of other sweatshop working conditions because nothing sells like a good tragedy, but nobody talks about the working conditions at home and talking amongst ourselves is often made difficult, either by cultural or business practices. It's illegal to punish employees for talking about how much they make with each other, but that doesn't stop businesses from doing it anyway, because people here simply don't know their rights as a worker and companies love to take advantage of it. So we think we have a clear grasp of how the Chinese live while still believing that people here work 40-hour weeks and somewhere in the cultural zeitgeist is still the belief that people can afford a house with a white picket fence, a dog/cat, and 2.5 kids on one person's salary.
They're both bad governments just in their own special ways
Pretty naive to think that child labor dosen't exists in China tbh. Maybe not at the scale of child factory workers that some western media like to depict, but at a smaller scale, in farming, family owned business and small isolated factories.
In farming and small business’s it’s very common to see kids working in the us
According to a couple news stories I've seen pop up from time to time, we have child labor in the US too. It's not legal and the children are usually the children of illegal immigrants. Maybe it's sort of the same deal over there i.e. desperate people doing desperate things despite the norm.
As a parent, I would prefer this to modern western environments for children that include TVs, video games, phones and no idea what I do for a profession.
China is fucking rich dude.
Purchasing power is rising dramatically, labor conditions as well.
996 sounds like amazing labour conditions
Same.
Not hard to believe when there's camps for uyghurs.
Happy to be wrong.
I maintain this, but other comrades like @davel and @yogthos keep better megathreads about this topic.
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs
I mean america has wage slavery. I just think the detail are just different
USA have literal slavery, and it's even straight up called slavery in 13 amendment to constitution. Which also makes US afaik the only country that did enshrined slavery in constitution. Land of the free my ass.
labor conditions actually aren't very bad at all. equivalent to first world countries. pay is relative
Well tbf, even though it's strictly banned in China there are still some cases of it happening in rural areas.
But in the US it's legal. In a bunch of states all you need is parental consent for a teen barely out of puberty to marry an adult, and some will lower the age if the child is already pregnant.
Yall ever seen the documentary series, keep sweet, pray, and obey? Pretty terrifying that the US allows these evangelical child sex cults to exist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States
Huh. In California the legal minimum is 0?
Also are these map colors impossible to read correctly on your screen or is it just me?
We tried banning it but failed. My girlfriend was a teenager married to a marine when she was 17
Why the fuck you marrying 17 yos
I just want to point out that the attempt to compare medical costs in a direct comparison in US dollars isn't exactly easy as it does ignore purchasing power and base wages.
The point would probably be better made with hours of labor at a base pay to pay off treatment which I do think American healthcare would probably still lose quite handedly.
This is exactly what governments around the world are afraid of. Every government wants us to blindly accept that every citizen of the nation is profoundly evil and must be obedient to its government.
Russia wants its citizens to believe every single lie about itself and other nations. That everyone in Ukraine is a bloodthirsty Nazi, and Russia is liberating Crimea.
America wants its citizens to believe every single lie about itself and other nations. Every brown person is a terrorist waiting for its Manchurian candidate call sign to do a second 9/11, and that the economy is the greatest in the world.
No nation tells the entire truth, from lying from omission via national security, to straight up war time propaganda, to funding and owning news networks. From Radio Free Europe to Sputnik, a government will lie to your face and tell you its an unabridged raw truth.
The only way we could actually learn the "truth" (if there is such a one when anyone could be as brainwashed as their government wants them to be) is by directly talking to the citizens of each nation. The internet is a great equalizer, the only limit is language and translation. That's why governments censor the internet, or even shut it down when it gets too much for a government to manage.
We all have more in common with the random citizens of China, Russia, Germany, Japan, South Korea, America, Mexico, Canada, Uganda, South Africa, Egypt, Palestine, Israel, Ukraine, Brazil... We have more in common with being human and being subjugated and redistricted in doing what makes us happy and free.
And the government and rich of each of those nations and beyond have more in common each other than to the citizens they try to control like dogs. They all disagree on why they do it, but the end result is the same. Status quo, monopoly on violence kept in place with whoever is at the top. The set dressing and costumes change, but the stage play goes on.
You and I have more in common than with the president or prime minister or dictator we are under. The only thing we share with the top 1% and our governments is the lanauge we share and the citizenship. I have friends around the world, and I have more in common with random geeks in Japan and China, than the leadership of my nation.
The governments want you to think that you have nothing to share and love with another human being outside the lines drawn in the sand by people out of touch with the people inside those lines.
But nowhere else on the planet invests as much money and effort into it as the US. $325 million a year on anti China propaganda alone:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/1157/text
You never saw that mentioned in the media did you? There is a reason for that:
It is one of the most important aspects of our media system, and yet hardly known to the public: most of the international news coverage in Western media is provided by only three global news agencies based in New York, London and Paris.
The key role played by these agencies means Western media often report on the same topics, even using the same wording. In addition, governments, military and intelligence services use these global news agencies as multipliers to spread their messages around the world.
Google whataboutism
Remember that "Grapes of Wrath" completely backfired as a propaganda piece because Russians were amazed that poor Americans could still afford cars
Just a bit of context as someone from Eastern Europe - it was not that people couldn't afford cars, it was that they were in short supply. People - fewer people than in the West, but still a lot of people - bought cars, they just got them 30 years after the fact.
That's not how I remember it. The average persin in Eastern Europe couldn't afford to buy a car and cars were in short supply, resulting in significant waiting periods (we're talking years). The average citizens in the USSR and the Warsaw Pact had much less purchaisng power compared to their counterparts in the West. Soviet-made cars were much more expensice relative to Western-made ones, and of considerably lower quality, generally speaking.
What do you mean propaganda piece? Stienbeck didn't write that for Americans to read?
Despite the unhappy circumstances, it's kinda nice Chinese and Americans interacting on social media.
The fact this isn't typically possible because of bans in China is not so nice. Neither is the fact the US is going down the same road instead of proper privacy laws.
But still, kinda nice
The unexpected propaganda win for the PRC too lol. Anyone who might have been doubting the benefits of the dictatorship of the proletariat will now have first hand evidence that life is absolutely not better in capitalism
The social score thing isn’t really propaganda as much as it is idiots believing whatever they read. It started from what was essentially thinly veiled racism, and became “true” because people kept hearing it.
That's generally how propaganda works, though.
Eh… I guess, only insofar as any racist bullshit that gets misunderstood as benign.
There were several "social credit systems" that were set up in various provinces. These were mainly attempts to aggregate public records from different departments into one searchable database. It mostly affected business owners since they have the largest public record footprint. The idea was you could look up who owns what business and how many code violations those businesses had.
This triculates into the american rumor mill and comes out as the "social credit score" meme which is fantasitcal projection from our own opaque credit system.
Great example of how "ironic" racism is still racism. It invites actual racists to join and fit in.
Wait, China's not a dystopian nightmare?
I imagine it could be if you were a minority or a political dissident.
The fact that so many people went through sexual and gender self discovery on Tiktock, but such things are discouraged by the government in China says a lot that makes me uncomfortable.
Not being able to openly criticise the government and its policies also doesn't sit well with me.
It's not my government though, so that's where my criticism ends. If that's what the majority of people want, that's just democracy by another avenue. So long as people are allowed to leave if they choose, then that's fine.
I just assumed everywhere was
It isn’t if you are privileged, the same as the US
China is responsible for most of the world's reduction in poverty in the 30 years. If you exclude China, world poverty is increasing.
Suicide nets installed by a company based in Taiwan that also operates in mainland China at a factory located in a special economic zone, one specially reknowned by people for its liberal policies. A company that China's own state funded propaganda said was bad, and that the situation was being assessed. If the company was not based in Taiwan it would be a little easier for them to handle because they wouldn't have to deal with a rabid dog breathing down their neck ready to declare war for even looking at the island. I'm not saying what happened wasn't terrible, but I am saying you should dig a little deeper than the headlines. I found all of this information on Wikipedia after like 40 minutes of research, but please respond and call me a tanky or CCP bot because it would be pretty funny.
You can go and ask if you want, but you will be mocked because of how ridiculously brainwashed you'll sound.
Wow, you're really just running down the checklist of anti China propaganda
Go try it.
What happens if keywords, like uyghur, are mentioned?
It is, but they're not allowed to talk about it. Social credit.
Nazi Germany became pretty bad for the Nazis too in the end. Fascist warmongering usually ends that way.
Some of this stuff is dated. Chinese healthcare used to be less available and more expensive until the government put efforts in changing that fact. China's a nation that seems to believe that they can use their government to make things better.
China’s a nation that seems to believe that they can use their government to make things better.
Isn't that what you pay taxes for?
I pay taxes to stay out of jail
Not everything! For instance, we don't wear shoes to bed.
Wait, no? I'm not even chinese and I believed.
Seriously? We aren't completely insane... Yet.
Boots only
Too late, you're a tankie now 👻
I'm pretty sure that is you don't believe China is a literal hell, you're a tankie. Though, I think tankies are the feminist your uncle always warned you about tbh
Truth: the strongest propaganda.
"The jews are secretly controlling the world. Don't look at the chemtrails, they inseminate you with 5G!!"
My phone is constantly losing signal, can you help me get another one of those 5G vaccines?
They really need to add a translation feature though. It's getting a bit annoying running everything through a translate app, for both english and chinese speakers I imagine.
Perhaps it will get added, but it's important to note that this is a Chinese app for Chinese users, the English influx was an accident.
Still, China's overall geopolitical strategy is to trade and be friendly with literally anyone who will do the same, so I imagine a translation feature may come.
They're defnitely seizing the sudden opportunity to cater to a global audience though, Rednote ads are everywhere right now.
There are a heck of a lot more Chinese people that speak English than there are English speakers that can speak Chinese
China is a big place stuffed with folks.there are a lot more Chinese people doing whatever than most lol
Most of the Chinese speakers seem to be the youth
Source: I live near their timezone, and used to spend time on chat roulette and Chinese students wanted to practice their English there
It should be in the next update they already announced it
Oh, neat!
picture 2: not real and technically imposible to do that cause we have 1.4 billion people
This makes me imagine how social credit score department people hands look like if social credit score is real
Don't they have computers and mass surveillance?
Big data n shiet
Just that no one claimed that they would have a social credit system surveiling 1.4 billion people.
It was an experimental system in some pilot cities in, of course, a limited scope.
So it was real, in some city in some scope.
It's funny that Xiaohongshu is popping off right on the cusp of a TikTok ban. They're not even flocking to established US alternatives.
The fact that Xiaohongshu is Chinese is the point, it's a protest against banning Chinese Social Media without holding US-based Social Media to the same standard.
its likely that tiktok users already had accs on US alternatives.
It started from an American user on tik tok saying "we should go to a Chinese app like red book" it's a meme that went wild
I've been saying it, but I think there's also a factor that people simply want somewhere new to go. I can't think of a time when people went back to an older platform while abandoning a newer one.
I love this so much
This is breaking my brain... world news told me it was bad and told me what "experts" say about privacy.
OPSEC-wise you should avoid most mainstream social media anyway unless you're using Tor or a VPN, whether it's Xitter, Insta, or Rednote
Said social media blocks you from using tor. Reddit back in the day freaked out when the apparent ip keeps switching and forces you to login again and again.
Which world news? Makes a big difference.
Earth world duh
Hey. I want you to Google the name Fred Hampton and find out what America does to it's minority who speaks out.
Maybe consider we have a larger prison population than the 1.whatever billion people. Largely made of our minorities.
Take a mirror to yourself before you throw stones.
This isn't to say China doesn't deserve criticism. The point is that many of your "they are an evil dictatorship who slaughters minorities!" Doesn't hold up when we, a democracy, is doing the same thing but worse.
Yes China is a dictatorship and theres a lot of censorship. I would still choose living in China over the US 1000 times.
Some Americans believe we're screwed in Europe. I had a US boss trying to "save me" from the "socialist hellhole" that is Switzerland by trying to convince me to move to the US. Some believe Islam is going to sweep across Europe and turn us all into jihadists.
What's the difference in democracy or dictatorship if both are committing crimes against humanity just one does it by committee
Social misdeeds also remove you from being able to fly in the US, maybe I'm missing something...
In another comment, I have stated that myself.
I am saying that the social credit system was attempted and they had people banned for e.g. flying. Which makes it reasonable to assume that a really bad social credit score would ban you from flying as well. As the social credit system was experimental, and apparently failed, it is impossible to say what it could have been.
When international news talked about the social credit system and it being in pilot cities, they asked themselves what could be and communicate it as such. But people meme'd it and people believed the meme nonsense version.
If I talk about the trail of tears, gaza or criticise Biden I will get put on the no fly list?
I don't see the "positive" spin in my comment.
I guess if you think that the us is "positive", it would be positive.
Imagine your understanding of the world is so black and white that the idea of similarities makes you unable to think what is actually said.
Edit: wait! Do you think me saying that it is just true that you don't go into debt for an ambulance, is a positive spin? Do you think having actual access to an ambulance is a positive? Sorry but that is part of a basic functional medical system. That is like "they have schools" that ain't a positive, that is the basic.
They're obviously saying all of this to up their social credit!
I always thought social credit thing is just in memes
The thing with memes is that they can have a genuine impact on how people view something. People's views are largely impacted by their exposure, as a general trend, and most people haven't actually done the reading to see what the credit system in China even looks like. That leaves a large number of people believing in dystopian fantasies of widespread facial tracking and morality judging from cameras on every corner, despite the implausability of such a system.
Memes literally got Trump elected, memes can be an effective way of propaganda. "Why would I think critically? It's just a joke!"
我爱小红书!I love rednote! So many cool people and I'm brushing up on my mandarin 😎
"now kiss"
You'll be seeing alot more China "shills" as Americans keep realizing the amount of propaganda they've been fed lol
What counts as a "shill?" Approval in leftist spaces of the PRC is rising overall, which makes sense given that they are a Socialist country, but in the broader western landscape Red Scare propaganda is still dominant.
Shill=/= people you disagree with
We genocided native Americans, currently have the largest enslaved people population in the world, and actively have destroyed other countries simply for not wanting to be friends with us when we really wanted them to be our friend.
We have a president actively advocating for invading Mexico, invading Panama, annex Canada, annex Greenland.
The problem with trying to shit talk the "evils of China" is that as Americans, it's purely hypocrisy. We don't have a fucking leg to stand on. Everything they've done we have done or are currently doing.
Does that make what they do okay? No of course not. But pretending they are this axis of pure evil when all they have done is the typical things a large state does is hypocritical and makes you look silly.
You ever considered the cool things China has done?
Oh noooo can't do that. It's Chinese propaganda to pretend they ever have done anything good. Obviously I am a 9 year old chained to a chair being forced to write this.
Everything they’ve done we have done or are currently doing
False equivalence. I wish the US had done the belt and road initiative, instead of having over 900 military bases, predatory loans with policy mandates attached, black ops and political assassinations as well as forcing extractive rather than productive economies on the global south. China hasn't dropped a single bomb on other people in decades, has never seized an asset from a debtor, has never engaged in a war to steal oil and gas or forced an embargo to starve out a nation, let alone starve several dozens at any given time.
The only countries in the 20th century doing what the US has been doing internationally are Nazi Germany and Japan.
The Nazis built the autobahn, but we don't cheer for the Nazis.
Like we shouldn't be cheering on any state, just because of the good.
Yes, I include the US, China, Russia, and all the other states that have committed untold evil on humanity, even if they all also did something good.
And did mentioning these things just make the message disappear on US-based lemmy-instances?
I don't believe it did.
Jesus, at this point right wing sinophobes don't even try to make a coherent point; they just rattle off the list of buzz words.
Always has been. That's how propaganda works. A lot of exposure for a small amount of loaded terms. Taught in schools to prepare the kids to grow up hating China as our state enemy
These are literally the things being referred to
you can search the tiannamen square incident. it's just in another name and written in chinese
82$?! That's ~8200 roubles! Holy golden expensive fuck!
So total brain rot absolutely everywhere?
Is this chinese punishment for banning tiktok?
More like USians pushing back against the US State Department, China is just winning without doing anything here.
Doing nothing and winning, how is this strategy called? Gabe Newell uses this strategy too btw
On the one hand, what did you think ml stood for?
On the other hand, this is more of an America bad than a CCP good post.
to be fair, the ml stands for Mali
And just because I'm American doesn't mean China is my enemy.
Oh I got my comment removed by saying something pretty mundane in a chill manner.
I sense a ban is coming! If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
American propaganda in tatters ban it quick!!!
Trying to talk about the conversations on Rednote while on .ml is kind of hilarious.
So many removed comments...
"who to believe. Chinese people or fox news getting official state department reports"
"If you think Hitler's bad, wait until you hear what he has to say about the Soviets!"
We are also controlled by 1 party with total dictatorial control, but in typical American extravagance, we have two of them; the party of capital, and the other party of capital.
That's not really fair, it's more of an old money - new money split or an orphan crushing machine - concentration camps dichotomy.
Gotta love Americans talking about 1-party systems when they have a 2-party-that-are-the-same system.
You should join us to crush the boot, instead of licking it.
Stop circlejerking the USA assholes. While the CCP system is not great, it's better than a duopoly totalitarian dictatorship.
Shittyness is not a race. This could be a teaching moment where we realize we could learn from each other and shit.
Does it matter if my system is better than your system if it's still killing people? Compared to Tsarist Russia, we're all living like kings, so we can stop improving, right?
A shit sandwich and diarrhea soup are different.
But, no matter what, you're eating shit.
Yep they were, debunked going on 8x now below.
Right, that's why you need to delete my comment lmao
Cringe
Thanks for the flags, I needed them /s
China good, US bad! It is known!
China is... A country. America is... A country. Can we just talk about them without braindead nonsense noise like you?
I'm just making fun of the biased dynamics and what often seems like a black-and-white perspective. By no means do I think that one is "good" and the other is "bad", but I do think there is a lot of misrepresentation going around because of the latest developments around TikTok. We should also keep in kind that the executive decision was put in place over a year ago but ofcourse nobody discussed it back then because policy only becomes relevant once it factors into personal interpretations and ideology.
Cope levels off the chart
Quick! Somebody link to one thing the US government has said about China.
You lose points by googling, because everyone upvoting surely has seen the US government say something about China and knows where to find that document.
The fuck are you even on about? Please broadcast your mental inferiority somewhere else.
The US gov just banned an app because they say China wants to use it to sabotage our country.
The president, the Senate, and the supreme Court all declared China to be a national enemy who can't be trusted with the info of American customers
I'm getting tired of all this propaganda... I honestly may leave Lemmy if this keeps up.
"Everything" we've heard about China is a lie? Are you people for fucking real?
Don't you have bug fixing to do rather than spreading propaganda?
It must be so easy being an anti-communist, you can just make to whatever unfounded bullshit you like and expect people to believe you
In communist China everyone gets a daily ration of 5 crickets and tree bark scraps, that you're only allowed to eat after giving Xi Jinping a sloppy kiss in the mouth.
To be fair, it's really easy to be anti communist if you believe the USSR was or China is communist and not were/are dictatorships.
China isn't communist in the slightest
It's usually westerners that love to depict the Chinese president as a yellow bear in a deragatory manner.
Massive reach.
I don't think most Chinese people are racist crackers like you anyway
Chinese people can be racist af. Source: am 華人
Daamn, it's so nice that nobody invented lying on Chinese internet yet, otherwise shit would be so embarrassing
Damn, it’s so nice that nobody invented sarcastic vagueposting yet.
Absolutely nothing vague about what I said. Authoritarian regimes are very careful about their external image and employ a lot of propaganda to maintain it. The closer a piece of mefia to the authoritarian regime the more lies there will be.
To address inevitable whataboitism, it's not their exclusive deal, oligarchs and wannabe oligarchs also lie on the internet, but it's not the point
what a privileged comment
They are an American. It's not like 900 dollars is some insurmountable of money to pay off in 5 years. 180 bucks a year. 15 bucks a month.
That's literally a Spotify subscription.
There's a bunch of Chinese posts asking if the stuff about school shootings, fires, homelessness are exaggerated propaganda only to be told otherwise. It's both hilarious and sad.
People of the US and China are both unsure of what to believe about the other, because both are so propagandized lol
Who told you that the people of China are propagandized, especially to hate other countries and peoples as much as the US does?
School shootings is something uniquely american. Even México doesn't have them and we have a decent amount of narcojuniors (rich sons of drug dealers) that would have plenty access to guns, the only time i remember a school shooting happening it was in a private school in Monterrey like 7 years ago, which is pretty much the most americanized part of México.
Wow that's crazy
I'm reminded of that ex Soviet joke about how they always knew the government was lying about their own countries but were shocked to learn it was telling the truth about america