Beware, another "wonderful" conservative instance to "free us" has appeared

Yes I'm aware. I'm a trans person living in the deep south trying to escape. Fuck them.

They have created all these imaginary enemies attacking them on every front, and they think THEY are the ones living real life, and the rest of us side with their imaginary enemy.

I think that their ENEMY is actually poverty, i.e. many people struggle economically to make a living. This is due to the progress of time (automation leads to fewer jobs), but since time itself is invisible to many people, they try to find a material, outside enemy. And that's why they blame (brown) immigration and queer people, because they appeared at the same time (in public, in the case of queer people) as the decline of living standards. So people see that and conflate correlation with causation, and blame these groups.

What's important to me is whether people think about the situation and try to make good conclusions and proposals. What matters to me is whether MAGA actually tries to improve people's living condition, instead of just mindlessly trying to hurt people. If they actually try to improve things, i can talk to them and find meaningful paths forward. If they're just trying to hurt people, such a thing is impossible. So to me, it very much matters why they're doing this. That's what i'm researching, and also how to make meaningful plans that are in their interest that actually bring the country forward, instead of just creating more difficulties.

Would that mean anyone cross posting from there or using rss to post what's there elsewhere is spreading NK propaganda? 🤔

Yeah and why the big deal? I didn't notice any signs saying the fediverse is only for lefties. I may not agree with conservatives but that doesn't mean I think they should be excluded.

I mean, remember what more recently happened with /c/conservative?

Them making their own space actually lets us much more easily reduce our exposure to them - without their space we get them everywhere and each of us have to ban such users individuals to avoid their poison, whilst if they're congregated in a server we can just ban that server and/or its forums.

In terms of the NAZI bar metaphor, this is more like the NAZIS setting up their own bar and congregating there rather than trying to take over other bars - everybody else can very easilly avoid even looking at the NAZI bar, much less going there and listening to them spreading their ideology - yeah, by default the sound of their activities does leak to the street, but in Lemmy we're the ones who can chose to close the door, not them.

Compare that with, for example, how the Zionists captured news@lemmy.world and even up to a level the server itself, by seeking moderation and admin positions there: subverting an existing large traffic forum and the biggest Lemmy instance is way much more pernicious than what the other kind of NAZI are doing by setting up their own - easily avoided - corner.

You have a very poor understanding of how the fediverse works if you think that's true.

You can always section yourself off from the instances you don't like. If it just so happens that you're sectioning yourself off from most of the fediverse, then that's on you.

and make MAGA Place pay for it?

Lmao @ all these day old accounts like yours trying to push a normalcy narrative for maggats

I'm not talking about Nazis here

It's to combat censorship. How will having ""fascists"" on the fediverse start putting in place censorship?

Inviting them over there is NOT good. It'll show more pro-fascist views and fool gullible people. And the more fascist instances there are, the harder to kick those out.

It sounds like you're the one wanting to enforce censorship?

You're saying you support it turning into a Nazi bar. If you want one, then go there, instead of being on Lemmy.

I'm not talking about nazis or fascists. You were the first to mention them.

Leftists deserve our own space on the internet.

That's not what the fediverse is for. The fediverse isn't to be your own personal haven. However, you can use the fediverse to make a leftist instance and defederate/ban right wingers as you please.

I haven't been on Reddit since the API fallout, but I rarely ever saw right wingers, nevermind bots.

Some of these platforms (notably xitter) have algorithms to farm rage

If particular instances like blahaj.zone or beehaw wish to defederate them, that makes sense. But if they aren't botting/spamming or doing things that are illegal, I don't see a point in defederating.

Do we know who defederated them?

Not everyone kneejerks defederation in this case. A lot of places just defed csam

Yeah. I don't usually mind either too much. I think there is a problem when you have the likes of !christianity@lemmy.world being downvote brigaded to the point that it actually is unfairly balancing the posts due to the slim minority of Christians on here. Most lefties I find on here are cool, though. Just a slim minority of them, like the ones who get offended at you saying "bro"

Also, having a Trumpet on lemmy is infinitely better than the loli porn instances

they have 11 users now

Good!

That's what it's for!

We don't need to censor something for everyone just because we don't like what's being said!

is that the Network State that Peter Thiel is trying to build?

Here is copied pasted version

Calling the police often escalates situations, puts people at risk, and leads to violence. Anytime you seek help from the police, you’re inviting them into your community and putting people who may already be vulnerable into dangerous situations. Sometimes people feel that calling the police is the only way to deal with problems. But we can build trusted networks of mutual aid that allow us to better handle conflicts ourselves and move toward forms of transformative justice, while keeping police away from our neighborhoods.

Don’t feel obligated to defend property—especially corporate “private” property. Before confronting someone or contacting the police, ask yourself if anyone is being hurt or endangered by property “theft” or damage. If the answer is “no,” then let it be.

If something of yours is stolen and you need to file a report for insurance or other purposes, consider going to the police station instead of bringing cops into your community. You may inadvertently be putting someone in your neighborhood at risk.

If you observe someone exhibiting behavior that seems “odd” to you, don’t assume that they are publicly intoxicated. A traumatic brain injury or a similar medical episode may be occurring. Ask if they are OK, if they have a medical condition, and if they need assistance.

If you see someone pulled over with car trouble, stop and ask if they need help or if you can call a tow truck for them. If the police are introduced to such a situation, they may give punitive and unnecessary tickets to people with car issues, target those without papers, or worse.

Keep a contact list of community resources like suicide hotlines. When police are contacted to “manage” such situations, people with mental illness are sixteen times more likely to be killed by cops than those without mental health challenges.

Check your impulse to call the police on someone you believe looks or is acting “suspicious.” Is their race, gender, ethnicity, class, or housing situation influencing your choice? Such calls can be death sentences for many people.

Encourage teachers, coworkers, and organizers to avoid inviting police into classrooms, workplaces, and public spaces. Instead, create for a culture of taking care of each other and not unwittingly putting people in harm’s way. If you’re part of a group that’s holding a rally or demonstration, don’t get a permit or otherwise cooperate with the police.

If your neighbor is having a party and the noise is bothering you, go over and talk to them. Getting to know your neighbors with community events like monthly block parties is a good way to make asking them to quiet down a little less uncomfortable, or to find another neighbor who is willing to do so.

If you see someone peeing in public, just look away! Remember, for example, that many houseless people do not have reliable access to bathrooms.

Hold and attend deescalation, conflict resolution, first-aid, volunteer medic, and self-defense workshops in your neighborhood, school, workplace, or community organization.

Street art is beautiful! Don’t report graffiti and other street artists. If you see work that includes fascistic or hate speech, paint over it yourself or with friends.

Remember that police can escalate domestic violence situations. You can support friends and neighbors who are being victimized by abusers by offering them a place to stay, a ride to a safe location, or to watch their children. Utilize community resources like safe houses and hotlines.

Because I feel nice today, I went back to this instance to get the link for you, haven't read it myself: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/may-day-collective-solidarity-defense-12-things-to-do-instead-of-calling-the-cops

Bingo. These are the same people who will say that most political violence comes from the left while removing a study showing the opposite: a study about a statistical trend that has been well known and documented for longer than I've been alive.

They don't care. Their beliefs shape shift to fit whatever is most expedient in the moment. They will openly lie to your face, without even trying to hide that it's a lie while they smile and say they're being honest. The people who gaslit the nation about project 2025 only to have cabinet members gleeposting about implementing it on social media.

Truth is irrelevant and reality is an inconvenience. Hypocrisy is as dead to them as the corpse of civility they prop up whenever it suits their narrative.

Good job being less of a piece of shit and congrats on the happiness. Any advice for helping people out of there?