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- Apparently you’re a nazi if you vote for either, so you should just not vote
  totally not an astroturfer
  
  Well according to apologists themselves, both sides are doing genocide anyway.
  Conspiracy to commit genocide is a federal crime that can be punished by death.
  I would not want to vote for either party. I hope you guys will be legally liable one day. One can dream

what does the guy who's openly threatening the future of American democracy think about my taxes
- He thinks your taxes are too low and billionaires taxes are too high!
  
  I was JUST thinking my taxes are too low!
- he promises a tax plan that will not materially improve things for you or i and a reduction in the things that taxes go towards that benefit us

With a more representative electoral system, we could have more then two buttons. First-past-the-post voting is mathematically flawed and will always result in a two party system, which is why we must replace it as soon as we can.
Yall believe in democracy right?
- I'm with you. What's your plan?
  
  I've started a gofundme.
  
  There is a method that already exists. There are states that have signed an agreement where once enough states sign on to it, it automatically will go into effect. https://youtu.be/dFZyFmILb5w?si=rpQMxbgnNAjltx8X
  
  Vote for the partiesand candidates that support ranked choice
- First past the post voting is the cheapest and fastest use of taxpayer dollars. Must we overburden our poorest districts with purchasing requirements for fancy smancy vote counting machines? /s
  
  In fact, this whole elections thing is just so expensive, a burdensome cost to the people. Wouldn't you prefer to save money and enjoy the reduced risk with knowing a qualified expert is running things (\s)
  (this legit is how the Heritage Foundation sounds)

I might not leave the country, but I’ll have to leave my state. I wonder if next Friday after work I’ll need to load up everything I can fit in my car and drive as far north as possible. It’s terrifying that my rights as a transgender human vanish will vanish overnight where I live. I’ve heard of bounties in Odessa.
Knowing that most of the people I live and work around are happily voting for a child rapist has broken my brain. The folks protesting at the Planned Parenthood (abortion is already illegal here) are going to vote for a man that’s probably paid for multiple abortions. It’s a sickness I can’t fathom.
- Its sickening what is happening to this country, that you even feel the need to flee in such a way, but it is a realistic concern. There are people who very much want carte blanche to harm trans people, and if Trump is elected they may get that cover, its vile.
- It's so bizarre that it's a warzone but just for the category you're in. For now, anyway. Ugh.
  ❤️
- fully agree. hope you don't have to move... but for some miraculous incomprehensible reason the race is a statistical tie
- It's optimistic of you to assume we'll know the outcome by next Friday. Republicans are going to turn the whole election into a circus if they possibly can.

Undecided voter = person who cannot discern truth
- I don't understand how there are undecided voters this election... I understand trump voters. Ride or die republicans, bigots, wealthy people that want more money for themselves. They are fucked up, but they make sense.
  But how are you undecided? What are you weighing up. If you're not in the aforementioned groups, what single positive thing does trump offer?
  
  I've seen some people try the free speech angle. But that isn't true either. Neither he nor Elon are actually about free speech.
  
  Undecided voters aren’t undecided because they’re oblivious to what’s going on. They’re undecided because they live in a swing state, so they have more power than the average voter, and most importantly they want something. They see the candidates campaigning specifically for them. They’re hoping to be offered a promise they actually care about.
  
  The only reason I can actually understand an undecided voter is if it's actually a strategic decision to entice the parties to give them more. An undecided voter is worth so much that Elon is literally giving away millions of dollars to sway them. Yeah it's chump change to him but it's still unprecedented. It would be kind of like a nullifying jurur, in that they're saying something completely different than what they're thinking. That totally gives undecided voters way more credit than they're actually due, because in reality they're just ignorant of the situation.
  
  My guess is the Palestinian issue which puts people on the fence. Both parties would still support the Israeli government.
- in the states it's so easy. you just choose between the status quo or the obvious deranged evil. here we vote on the lower positions and nobody ever knows who any of them are and we don't have proportional so everyone just votes by party and the names are largely meaningless

Left out rapist under Trump's "accomplishments"
- Is that not included in felon?
  
  Not all felons are rapists not has he ever been actually criminally convicted of the crime of rape, so no.

My Mexican immigrant coworker believes that if Kamala gets elected that immigrants will be deported but also immigrants are getting too much free money and food stamps and things like that. He really has bought into some kind of weird belief that Donald Trump is a better candidate. He can't vote because he's not a citizen. I think he's just pissed off because he works two jobs and sees people who get free stuff and don't come here legally as lazy.
- Trying to combine immigrants in your first sentence is so disingenuous. Here's what makes it clear:
  Legal Immigrants are different than illegal immigrants. Of course your coworker is pissed off that he's come here legally and is not getting rewarded for it. Whether the ones who come illegally are lazy or not doesn't make a difference. They shouldn't be given anything we currently give them. We have veterans dying in the streets getting nothing. Everyone should be mad about it.
  
  What you're saying is not precisely true. To register for food stamps, well, you need to be registered. Likewise for other forms of welfare.
  Illegal immigrants are not coming to this country and living off of welfare. That is not happening.
  But even if it was, are you seriously going to tell me that the solution to that is to kick those immigrants out? To round them up in camps? That's not going to help homeless veterans.
  People like you will either believe in stupid arguments or talk in bad faith, and then not actually support welfare or UBI at all.
  
  Out of the only two options on the ballot that have any chance of winning, which side shits on the veterans dying in the streets and which side tries to help them?
- The electoral college picks the president. Not you. You're a "migrant" labeled "citizen". You can influence the election if you happen to walk by an actual elector and get a chance to talk to him..... Tell him about your student loans, your fear of putin, the homeless, you two jobs just to pay the mortgage, etc. they'll understand and vote the way you would vote if you were an actual elector... don't you worry migrant!
  Yey! Democracy!

I’m going to go out on a pretty long limb here and suggest the possibly that they’re not actually undecided at all.
- I've read (not sure how true) that it's not necessarily undecided between Harris and Trump - more undecided about even showing up to vote.
  I honestly don't know what's worse.
  
  Each is worse than the other.

It appears a good chunk really loves the racism thingy
- It shouldn't be, but I feel like this is such a delicate thing.
  Like, Trump is obviously racist, but his base sees themselves in him and when he is labeled racist, it projects to them; they're labeled racist too. They "know" they aren't racist and it's a strong accusatory word along the lines of being called a pedophile and that instantly brings up defenses and basically kills any chance of swaying their opinion. Besides, if we were wrong calling "them" (their projection from trump) racist, how could we possibly be right about calling Trump racist?
  Should we give a shit what these people think? Really wish we didn't have to, but the world isn't fair and just enough at the moment to disregard the nuance here.

A perfectly good meme but I would say it might still presume a little too much good faith.
They're not undecided. They want to vote for Trump and are desperately hoping for a socially acceptable reason to do so.
- It's only them and God in the voting booth. What's stopping them?
  
  I think you answered yourself with the question. Someone better with words could make an OK joke out of it.

Spotless is a gross way to describe her career as a prosecutor.
- Don't know why you're being downvoted, Harris isn't perfect but with Trump on the other side not much is required of her to be the best option.
  
  I'll go as far to say she's a huge piece of shit that smells less bad than trump but you're still working with a turd
  
  Harris is far worse than Trump. Her record includes extending peoples prison sentences for cheap labor to fight fires. Jailing parents of truant kids. Laughing about smoking weed herself after imprisoning people for it. Most of the people she kept behind bars are black.
  You know what trump did? He gave permanent funding to HBC colleges. His First Step act reversed Biden's Crime Bill that targeted black people. He also created a way for criminals to rejoin society after they finish their sentencing.
- It all depends how you define a spot. Particularly the same spot test should be applied to both candidates.
- Is it a spot if you grab someone who isn't your favorite wife by the pussy?
  How do you grab your own wife by the pussy? Like do you just go for it over whatever she's wearing? Do you pull down her panties to actually grab her by the vagina?
  What's the proper vagina grab? Like do you apply pressure upwards and pull ...nah that would slip easy! It's a vagina, it's got slime on it if you get near it. Nah. I think the best and most proper way is to insert one or more fingers into the vagina so you can pull.
  I hope our president can tell us how to properly and legally grab women by the vagina. Maybe it will be a national sport one day... imagine a team of say 6 couples on each side, the get arranged like in football, except that they must be copulating. The goal is to walk around the field...full of couches and rugs and Lego bricks from the kids .... And grab one of the opposite team's women by the pussy. Each couple who's woman gets grabbed by the pussy is automatically disqualified and has to exit the field. Extra points during sudden death if you can doggy or spit roast the guy.
  Thank God Trump figured out how to grab them all by the pussy for us all. Right? 👍
  
  Did the meme mention trump being spotless? Because I don't think it did. He's scum. Doesn't make Harris spotless just less spotty

"Pedophile" is missing from the trump one...

Undecided voters are the dumbest people on the face of the Earth.
- I disagree. Trumpers are definitely worse.

Are there really many voters undecided between Harris and Trump?
- Naw there's just a bunch of people who won't admit they're voting for Trump when you ask them. They also don't want their friends/community thinking they're voting for a Democrat either so they just lie and say they're undecided or even more likely Independent™ because that sounds cool anyway. They know they're voting for a fascist but also want to have their cake too and not publicly admit it.
  They may not even want the fascist part. But they're voting for Trump because they think one day they'll make over $500k/yr and they don't want to pay "200% more taxes" (it's actually 2%) when that day inevitably comes. The rest of them secretly would rather kill their children than let a black woman run our country, but they'd never say it.
  
  Statistically, that's just not true. Just look at the differences from the polls, the margin between Harris and Trump has moved quite some percentage points back and forth. E.g. after RFKs endorsement, more undecided voters went to Trump and after the debate, more went back to Harris.
  
  That's a whole lot of fantasy to be specifically mad about.
  There's lots of reasons and likely a lot of issues for each individual that they have felt unseen or unheard on.
  But it sure is easier if you can just say everyone is a Trump voter so that you can swing and point fingers around wherever you want. It's easy and lazy.
- I have a friend who voted for Trump and now he is undecided. Now he is saying he isn't voting for anyone. I guess that's better than voting for Trump. He lives in AZ. So that is sorta a win.

Apparently putting a huge number of people in jail for minor possession of a drug that is only illegal because of racist 70s politics is spotless, and doing so to support capitalizing the prison system, is spotless. I call it dehumanizing and unconstitutional, but I just care about empirical data that apparently is completely unimportant in tribalist capitalist worshiping countries like the USA.
- I don't count "spotless prosecutorial record" as a win, but given the two viable choices I'll take it over "shockingly successful fascist demagogue" every time, and twice on Sundays.
  
  I holding my finger over the button as long as possible in the hope that the button that the "spotless prosecutorial record" will suddenly add the "stop abetting a genocide" portion we've been asking for since before they changed out the previous button, but I guess I'll be going for the option that isn't currently telling me how my existence is threatening to them and hope that they'll follow through on valuing human life this time around.
- Agree on your points, I honestly fucking hate cops and by extension prosecutors that enable and collude with them. However the only other option is worse than a pig.
- Countless was a little under 2000 people (at least as far as Harris is concerned) That's about half of what her predecessor in the same office did over roughly the same time period.
  Now, that conviction is for "possession, sale, or cultivation". Most paid a fine rather than serve jail time. We also don't know the exact breakdown of possession vs sale vs cultivation.
  We also know that Harris pushed for decriminalization and legalization in California, and has pushed some of the same as vice president. I think Joe is the roadblock there, even if he was convinced to pardon a bunch of people for simple possession.

He's not a Nazi; he's a fascist. Nazi refers to a specific political party. Fascist is more general.
- The distinction between a "real" Nazi and a Hitler fanboy is too fine to matter.
- If he walks like a nazi, talks like a nazi and acts like a nazi. He's a fucking nazi.
- He wants to be Hitler, so that's close enough for me.
  
  Oh, I'm not saying he's any better than a Nazi. Just being pedantic.
- The main difference, as I understand, is that national socialism is inherently racist and puts the (Aryan) race on top of the ideology, everything else must submit to the benefit of the (Aryan) race, whereas fascism puts the benefit of the state on top.
  https://historyplex.com/difference-between-fascism-nazism
  Trump, as far as I can judge from beyond the pond, is still claiming to put the state, or the United States of America, first, like a fascist would do. His hate speech against immigrants still serves the narrative of them being bad for the US, not of them being disadvantageous towards the benefit of the Aryan race.
- No, the term "Nazi Party"refers to the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The term "Nazi" refers to an adherent to the ideology of Hitler Fascism. The NSDAP didn't typically refer to themselves with that term.
  There's also a square/rectangle situation in play: all Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis. In this case, though, he's more on the square side of the comparison. The biggest departures from the ideology are the inclusion of religion and the lack of Lebensraum (at least at home; there's an ironic argument to be made about how his belief that Bibi is moving too slowly in Gaza indicates that he has an eye towards creating living-space for certain groups at the expense of others).
- Nazi refers to national-socialism aka redirecting the anger of the working class toward an enemy ethnicity - the jews, the arabs, the latinos,...

Four more days. And then another year? Maybe ten?
It's exhausting.
- Virginian here. It's every year for us. State positions are in the odd years.

not to be in support of trumb, but if someones records are spotless that is inherently suspicious to me. is she even allowed to run for president if she hasn't visited a sex trafficker?
- Her record isn’t spotless, but when you compare someone to trump it might as well look spotless because the context of trump makes it look so clean
  I’m not fully knowledgeable about her record since I have more pressing things to worry about rather than researching harris, but as a queer person, I am aware of some of her shortcomings regarding queer rights.
  She has explicitly tried to prevent trans people from receiving gender affirming care when in prison and challenged a ruling in favor of a transwoman to do so.
  Source: (washington blade)
  She also supported trans women in men’s prisons which is an extra horrific experience for a trans person, since queer people are generally more likely to be assaulted, raped, and sexually assaulted in prison. Trans women in men’s prisons have it the worst.
  This happened in the past, but with her not explicitly making trans rights a campaign issue in the face of how much discrimination they are currently facing, it is concerning.
  
  thank you for pointing out some of her flaws, I find it appalling that she would not want people to continue medical treatment for a condition that is corelated with suicide while in prison. Where trans people should be located in prison is a difficult question, I think making gender neutral prisons that don't have convenient places for rape to occur (make all bathrooms be unisex, increase surveillance of employees, eliminate for profit prisons) would probably be the best method, but idk. On the bright side she isn't trump.
- I can recognize a joke when I see one. Take my upvote.

Virtual tie 😩

Ignoring everything else here prosecutor is a net negative and "Felon" isn't a bad thing necessarily. If you want to you can criticize Trump without propping up law enforcement.
- Okay but in this case, felon is a bad thing because the crimes trump has been convicted of are serious offenses that should make him ineligible to even be president.
  trump wasn't convicted on 1 or 2 charges that were pushed on him by racist fascist pigs. He is the racist fascist pig. Who was convicted of scores of felonies.
  It is a bad thing. Necessarily.
  
  Yes trumps crimes were bad no argument from me. It's just so many of these felon vs prosecutor memes and similar things really play into demonization of "felons" as a whole.
  
  should make him ineligible to even be president.
  The fact that he's able to run tells you everything you need to know about america.
- Pretty sure conspiracy to commit genocide, rape, tax evasion, theft,... and so on are morally wrong weather they are crimes or not.
  The real question is why is he even allowed to run?
  To serve as a strawman for democrats.
- To be faiiiiiir

Her record is not spotless tbh.
Anyway, easy solution to the problem: ban Trump and the GOP. Bam, fascism is no more.
- Well, fascism will still exist if you ban Trump and GOP.
- The US has no mechanisms to ban political parties
  
  and the constitution was basically i intended to prevent banning a party just because the current administration dislikes them.

You not only need to vote for the candidate of their choice, you also need to match whatever they pick. Yey! Democracy!
Enter to win!
Prices included: " new president!"
Rules:
-Pick whoever you want
-If the electoral college picks the person you picked, then congratulations! You picked the winner 🏆🏆🏆🏆!
-if the electoral college picks someone else, then congratulations! You got a different president than the one you picked because your vote is worthless!
Yey! Democracy!
But do go vote, this is just a sarcastic comment about the stupid way we pick...the electoral college picks presidents for us like kings. The rest of the ballot is full of things that you do actually vote for, like local representatives, education leaders, district judges etc. Only the presidential election is not actually your thing. The rest of it is probably more important anyway so who cares if the electoral college picks Mexico's president to be our president. They could pick Kim Jung Un, but our president is usually a lame duck anyway the entire time due to the Republican party cock blocking their every move....like your student loans! Remember those? The fucking republican party block all attempts so far. But again, don't worry about it, it's not our thing. Let's let the electoral college to worry about it.
- The rest of the ballot is full of things [...] like local representatives, education leaders, district judges etc.
  Maybe OT, but I've been watching a lot of voting advice on twitter, reddit, etc this year, and whenever someone mentions how important it is to get educated about your local options on the ballot, they get a flood of comments accusing them of encouraging people to abstain from voting or to vote 3rd party. It appears to be one limb of an aggressive anti-vote apathy or disinfo campaign.
  
  Not sure if it's OT, but we definitely forget that the ballot affects you more personally within the other non presidential elections. Like the president, ultimately is just a guy. He's not gonna come here locally and fix my potholes. It's the local guy who does that shit. That's the election we should be really keen on. And then sure, let's build some more raptors and finish North Korea indirectly somehow before they do something stupid.
- That's not at all how the EC works.
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Selection_process
  I get that we might have different opinions. But if you told me right now that you will vote as I want you to vote as my representative I would have a very realistically hard time believing you. You should probably never meet me in person and state that anywhere nearby and expect me not to laugh my ass off at you.

So frustrating

They still need more information, probably about her emails because they are so far behind on political news.

An ode to the increasingly large gap in education within the US. You reap what you sow, and that lack of worker rights and education along with the promotion and celebration of extreme competition is showing. Not that it isn't costly, a good education doesn't even seem to last a generation nowadays.

Yeah, that's too complicated for me. I think I just won't vote at all.

Is there a person alive on this planet now with a so called "spotless" record? OP, are you of all the major decisions Kamala has made and you agree with them?

I'm sure pretending the blue candidate isn't complicit in genocide is a great strategy to convincing more voters.
- Unfortunately we are in the same position with both candidates. You can't be President of the US and have clean hands
  
  True but the meme claims "spotless record" which is not true

...and then, all of a sudden, Democrats started loving overzealous DAs who would do anything to put black men in prison.

Spotless record? Could you simp any harder?
- Kamala has a crimal record?
  
  If we lived in a just country she would.

She’s already said she will continue arming Israel, which is a felony at this point.
Proudly proclaiming she will commit a felony day one is a good indication of how I expect the rest of her term to go.
- What felony exactly? If that's a felony, that would be great, because then we can finally hold gun manufacturers and owners who sell their firearms fully responsible.
  She's not even president.
  Hey, never mind the fact though that Walz is feeding school kids, they're getting tampons in bathrooms and plan to finally tax the rich more, help the poor and increase minimum wage
  Im sure people who are struggling to get dinner on their table are more concerned about foreign policy
  
  She’s declaring intent to violate Leahy Law.
  But I guess a blood sacrifice is an acceptable trade off for school lunches. It’s just arab kids, right? /s
  https://theintercept.com/2024/05/10/biden-attorneys-legal-weapons-israel/
- The Leahy Law for those interested.
- My ballot had 3 options: Kamala Harris, Donald Trump and Robert Kennedy, Jr.
  Write-ins are not allowed in Indiana.
  Who should I have voted for?

replace undecided voters with antisemites, and you'll have this meme dialed in
- Found the 'but genocide' guy...
  
  You mean the Russian asset
  
  You guys are so deep in blue Maga that you can't even tell the person you're replying to is pro genocide.
- Say it with me now!
  CRITICIZING 👏 THE 👏 ISRAELI 👏 GOVERNMENT 👏 IS 👏 NOT 👏 CRITICIZING 👏THE 👏 JEWISH 👏 PEOPLE. THEY 👏 ARE 👏 NOT 👏 A 👏 BORG 👏 HIVEMIND.
  
  BORG HIVEMIND.
  Missed opportunity to say BERG HIVEMIND.

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