Save The Planet

I'll have to look for this, thanks!

You can also use alternatives like startpage and ecosia which use google results, I believe.

They don't want to direct you to the thing you're searching for anymore because that means you're off their site quickly. Instead they want to provide themselves whatever it is you were searching for, so you will stay on their site and generate ad money. They don't care if their results are bad, because that just means you'll stick around longer, looking for an answer.

Their motivation is always ads. The ai response is longer and takes time to read so more time looking at their ads. If the answer is sufficient, you might not even click away to the search result.

AI is a potential huge bonanza to search sites, letting them suck up the ad revenue that used to goto the search results

To make search more lucrative, they've enshitified it and went too far, but for a short time there were great quarterly resukts. Now they're slowly losing users. So they try AI to fix it up.

It's also a signal to the shareholders that they're implementing the latest buzzword, plus they're all worried AI will take off and they've missed that train.

And when it did it also altered the results, making them worse, because it was trying to satisfy "fuck" as part of your search.

Also the search parameters are undocumented internal things that can change or be disabled at any time.

I agree though, fuck private providers

If it was a public utility i'd feel very differently.

It's separate from the main meter and connected directly at the condenser unit.

It monitors power draw and acts as a relay when the provider sends a shutoff signal. The thermostat thinks the system is still going, and the fans still push air through the vents, but the coils aren't being cooled anymore so the air gets hot and musty.

In moderate climates in the US, peak loads are typically the hottest and sunniest hours of the day since condenser units are the most energy-hungry appliance in most homes. Clouds notwithstanding, peak solar generation would typically align (or closely align) with peak load time.

Batteries would also help a lot - they should definitely be subsidizing the installation of those as well but unfortunately they aren't yet (at least not in my state).

Sorry, maybe I wasn't being clear.

My area has solar incentive programs that are run through the energy utility - meaning the state makes available zero-interest loans for the purposes of solar installation, but those loans are only available through an entity partnered with our utility. They limit the number of homes in each area that are eligible through this program so that solar generation never exceeds demand. Our home was eligible through the program, so I had them come out to give us a quote. Our utility is also transitioning to surge pricing and smart metering, so there's a pretty high demand for solar installation in my area and they know that they'd lose out on a lot of revenue if everyone installed their own solar systems.

A part of that process was them asking for the last year of energy bills, along with taking measurements and doing daylighting analysis on our roof area. At the end, they gave us a quote for a 15 year loan for the equipment and installation, and it just so happened that the monthly payment was the same as our average energy bill. I work in AEC and I know what solar panels cost, and they had inflated their price by more than double what it would cost at market rate.

Of course I could install my own panels, but it would be out-of-pocket and I would have to seek out and apply for out-of-state incentive programs myself, but I can't afford the up-front costs and the loan terms don't make sense for how long we'll be in this house. Id love nothing more than to do it myself, even at a loss if that's what it took, but I have a spouse that is less spiteful than I am.

Your HA dashboard derailed this conversation for me. lol.

I would love to know more about the equipment you are using to push this info into your HA.

Massive trucks? They need those trucks for truck stuff, like this giant dilhole parking with his wife to go to Aldi today. Not even a flag on the end of that ladder, it filled a whole spot by itself.

My couch wouldn't fit in that bed, and every giant truck I see is sparkling shiny and looks like it hasn't done a day of hard labor, much like the drivers.

You underestimate the number of people you wouldn't class as intelligent. If no one wanted massive trucks, they would have disappeared off the market within a couple of years because they wouldn't sell. They're ridiculous, inefficient hulks that basically no one really needs but they sell, so they continue being made.

Do you have any data to support this is actually the case? I see this all the time but absolutely zero evidence but a 2015 Axios survey with no methodology or dataset. Nearly every article cites this one industry group with 3 questions that clearly aren't exclusive categorical and could be picked apart by a high school student.

I ask this question nearly every time I see this comment and in 5 years I have not found a single person who can actually cite where this came from or a complete explanation of even hope they got to that conclusion.

The truck owners I know, myself included, use them all the time for towing and like the added utility having the bed as as secondary feature.

Do the new models even have non-"smart" fittings? I thought all the electronic chip plants closed during covid.

Immediate to Short-Term (Days to Centuries)

• Hours to weeks: Power grids fail; nuclear reactors melt down without maintenance[11].
• Months to decades: Urban areas flood as drainage systems fail; buildings decay from weather and plant growth[6][11].
• 100–300 years: Steel structures collapse; concrete buildings crumble[5][7]. Most cities become overgrown forests[6].

Medium-Term (Thousands of Years)

• 1,000 years: Visible surface structures (e.g., roads, monuments) are buried or eroded. Plastics fragment but persist chemically[5][7].
• 10,000–250,000 years: Nuclear isotopes (e.g., plutonium-239) remain detectable in sediments and ice cores[7]. Mining tunnels fill with sediment but leave identifiable "industrial fossils"[7].
• 500,000 years: Microplastics and polymer layers in ocean sediments endure[5][10].

Long-Term (Millions of Years)

• 1–7 million years: Fossils of humans and domesticated animals persist. Geological strata show elevated carbon levels and mass extinction markers[4][8]. Deep mines and landfills remain as distinct layers[7][10].
• 50–100 million years: Continental drift subducts surface evidence; satellites decay or drift into space[3][10]. Only deep geological traces (e.g., mine shafts, isotope ratios) might endure[3][10].
• 250 million years: Next predicted mass extinction eradicates all mammals, including any remaining human traces[9].

Near-Permanent Traces

• Space artifacts: Lunar landers, Mars rovers, and Voyager probes persist for billions of years[3][10].
• Radio signals: Human broadcasts travel through space indefinitely at light speed[5].

Key Factors

• Detection likelihood: Aliens or future species could find traces for 100+ million years via deep geological analysis or space exploration[5][10].
• Total erasure: Requires Earth's destruction (e.g., solar expansion in 5 billion years)[10].

Citations: [1] Human extinction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_extinction [2] What If Humans Suddenly Went Extinct? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuOKTZISXhc [3] How long would it take for all traces of humans to be gone? https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/1azu120/how_long_would_it_take_for_all_traces_of_humans/ [4] What would happen to Earth if humans went extinct? https://www.livescience.com/earth-without-people.html [5] How long before all human traces are wiped out? https://www.newscientist.com/lastword/2215950-how-long-before-all-human-traces-are-wiped-out/ [6] Vanishing Act: What Earth Will Look Like 100 Years After Humans Disappear - Brilliantio https://brilliantio.com/if-people-dissapeared-what-will-happen-to-earth-in-100-years/ [7] If humans became extinct, how long would it take for all ... https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/if-humans-became-extinct-how-long-would-it-take-for-all-traces-of-us-to-vanish [8] Nature will need up to five million years to fill the gaps caused by man-made mass extinctions, study finds https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/mass-extinctions-five-million-years-nature-mammals-crisis-animal-plants-pnas-aarhus-a8585066.html [9] Humans Will Go Extinct on Earth in 250 Million Years; Mass Extinction Will Occur Sooner if Burning Fossil Fuels Continues [Study] https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/49951/20240430/humans-will-go-extinct-earth-250-million-years-mass-extinction.htm [10] How long would it take for all evidence of humanity to be ... https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/153618/how-long-would-it-take-for-all-evidence-of-humanity-to-be-erased-from-earth [11] What Would Happen If Every Human On Earth Just Disappeared? https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/life-like-humans-suddenly-disappeared.html

We do have an impact but the earth will 100% be ok when we are dead and gone eventually. A million years ain't shit to the earth.

We humans are a virus…a parasite and the earth will be better off once we are extinct.

"let"

The sociopath fascist capitalists won. They have multilayered protection from us from propaganda dividing us and turning us on one another without end to government capture and having the exclusive use of state violence to protect the capital markets and literally having state sanctioned murder for for private profit. This isnt a war, this is a well oiled Orwellian occupation. The people surrendered half a century ago without terms and received the delusion that they'll be the rich ones one day herp derp.

We can't do anything about the misery they spread, and that sucks. We don't have to add to our misery by pretending there's hope and we can turn any of it around. They're going to do what we're going to do and short of being a lone "terrorist" that takes a pot shot at them like Luigi there's nothing to be done, because half of us are too cowardly and social opiate addicted(fast food, social media, literal opiates, etc) or too deluded and actually on the robber baron's side out of pick me mentality to take it as a rallying cry.

Only the planet itself, our shared habitat, can stop them. And it will, regardless of all the studies they kill, ecological treaties they betray, and all the propaganda they spread. The capitalists reign of terror will end when enough of their suckers are starving, not before.

This is a specious argument.

Once a model has been trained once they don't just stop training. They refine and/or start training new models. Showing demand for these models is what has encouraged construction on 100s of new datacenters.

Only because of brute force over efficient approaches.

Again, look up Deepseek's FP8/multi GPU training paper, and some of the code they published. They used a microscopic fraction of what OpenAI or X AI are using.

And models like SDXL or Flux are not that expensive to train.

It doesn’t have to be this way, but they can get away with it because being rich covers up internal dysfunction/isolation/whatever. Chinese trainers, and other GPU constrained ones, are forced to be thrifty.

people complain about AI using is used to train the models, not use them

that's absolutely not true. In fact, most people who complain don't even know the difference.

How is it any worse than crypto farms, or streaming services?

These two things are so different.

Streaming services are extremely efficient; they tend to be encode-once and decode-on-user's-device. Video was for a long time considered a tough thing to serve, so engineers put tons of effort into making it efficient.

Crypto currency is literally designed to be as wasteful as possible while still being feasible. "Proof-of-work" (how Bitcoin and many other currencies operate) literally means that crypto mining algorithms must waste as much computation as they can get away with doing pointless operations just to say they tried. It's an abomination.

The UC paper above touches on that. I will link a better one if I find it.

But specifically:

streaming services

Almost all the power from this is from internet infrastructure and the end device. Encoding videos (for them to be played thousands/millions of times) is basically free since its only done once, with the exception being YouTube (which is still very efficient). Storage servers can handle tons of clients (hence they're dirt cheap), and (last I heard) Netflix even uses local cache boxes to shorten the distance.

TBH it must be less per capita than CRTs. Old TVs burned power like crazy.

Also, one other thing is that Nvidia clocks their GPUs (aka the world's AI accelerators) very inefficiently, because they have a pseudo monopoly, and they can.

It doesn't have to be this way, and likely wont in the future.

let's not use the term "efficiency" with humans making art, please. you're not helping anyone with that argument, you're just annoying both sides.

I think that’s going a bit far. ML models are tools to augment people, mostly.

It's from https://perchance.org/welcome and is super cool because it's like half a soul-less AI and half a super cool tool that gets people into programming and they actually care about the Internet because they encourage people to learn how to code their own ais and have fun with it and I would absolutely have DEVOURED it when I was 13 on Tumblr (I forgot my ADHD meds today sorry if I'm rambling)

I meant to mention the other ones at fault, but I edited what I was typing and backspaced that part.

Thanks

Well you asked for six tits but you're getting five. Why? Because the AI is intelligent and can count, obviously.

you are correct, and also not in any way disagreeing with me.

TBH most people still use old SDXL finetunes for porn, even with the availability of newer ones.

nice name btw

really depends. You can locally host an LLM on a typical gaming computer.

Not at all. Not even close.

Image generation is usually batched and takes seconds, so 700W (a single H100 SXM) for a few seconds for a batch of a few images to multiple users. Maybe more for the absolute biggest (but SFW, no porn) models.

LLM generation takes more VRAM, but is MUCH more compute-light. Typically one has banks of 8 GPUs in multiple servers serving many, many users at once. Even my lowly RTX 3090 can serve 8+ users in parallel with TabbyAPI (and modestly sized model) before becoming more compute bound.

So in a nutshell, imagegen (on an 80GB H100) is probably more like 1/4-1/8 of a video game at once (not 8 at once), and only for a few seconds.

Text generation is similarly efficient, if not more. Responses take longer (many seconds, except on special hardware like Cerebras CS-2s), but it parallelized over dozens of users per GPU.

This is excluding more specialized hardware like Google's TPUs, Huawei NPUs, Cerebras CS-2s and so on. These are clocked far more efficiently than Nvidia/AMD GPUs.

...The worst are probably video generation models. These are extremely compute intense and take a long time (at the moment), so you are burning like a few minutes of gaming time per output.

ollama/sd-web-ui are terrible analogs for all this because they are single user, and relatively unoptimized.

How exactly did you come across this "fact"?

"The plane is flying, anyway."

Are you interpreting my statement as being in favour of training AIs?

how about, fuck capitalism? Have you lost sight of the goal?

I did, as a matter of fact, fuck AI.

there is so much rage today. why don't we uh, destroy them with facts and logic

we don't need … more tits.

Blasphemy!!

nobody wanted according to whom? It's literally the most used product of this century stop deluding yourself.

All datacenters in the world combined use like 5% of our energy now and the value we get from computing far outweighs any spending we have here. You're better off not buying more trash from Temu rather than complain about software using electricity. This is ridiculous.

Im not sure what's the point here? If we dont like LLMs and data centers using power then we use existing strategies that work like taxing their power use and subsidizing household power use which btw we're already doing almost everywhere around the world in some form or another.

The data centers are actually easier to negotiate and work with than something like factories or households where energy margins are much more brittle. Datacenter employs like 5 people and you can squeeze with policy to match social expectations - you can't do that with factories or households. So datacenter energy problem is not that difficult relatively speaking.

ok so 5 seconds of AC then? my point still stands.

our small impact is only felt when we band together

It is also offset immediately when unregulated corporations use the saved energy to sell us the next dumb thing.

Switch all traditional AC to being powered by Heat Pumps

Aren't traditional AC's (assuming you are somewhere where AC is a thing used to cool the air) already heat pumps?

Most domestic flights should be replaced by highspeed rail anyways.

ban recreational flights

No. Either ban all flights (excluding medical) or none. Otherwise, it will be something only available to those gambling the system.

AC systems are heat pumps so I'm not sure what you mean there.

Talking about direct action or even a mildly disruptive protest will probably get you moderated here, and in trouble in real life. It feels like the only options "allowed" are stern words. At least a progressive like Zohran won the primary in NYC, but we'll need a lot more of that to make a difference.

On the other hand, Luigi is considered by many a hero.

That's cute!

Use Qwen 2.5, that's my recommendation. You can also set "pals". And the best part, is I have a portable battery and solar charger, so I could theoretically (and have in the past) run it from solar alone.

Hahahahaha!! I have never heard Lemmy being referred to as lamey, and I am diggin it! Hahaha