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The two ways of fighting profiteering

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When an artificer and a rouge are faced with the same problem.
Edit: my english sucks
- What does makeup have to do with this?
  
  Rogue is not spelled rouge.
- DM: Roll a D20 for a stealth check.
  \ Rouge: I bat my eyelashes.
  \ DM: Huh, I misread your character sheet. I'll allow it.
- I feel like an artificer would be skilled in the application of rouge. As well as foundation and eyeliner.
- *eyeliner

I simply pulled the knob off in the store & shoved the rest of the stove up my butt, later at home I printed the missing knob. It's a simple life-hack, basically everyone is doing it.
- Is this why your meatloaf always smells funky?
  
  Me too I enjoy putting my meatloaf in Evil_Shruberry oven
  
  It brings all the funky people to the yard tho
- Wes Watson over here.
- I hate that as a society it is somehow ok to steal for your convenience. Its the same thing with lots of other things as well. Don't you just love it when you buy a product only to get home and find half of it was stolen?
  
  A while back I would use those local secondhand auctions that mostly dealt in amazon returns. (As opposed to directly buying from amazon.)
  I'm surprised how everything would be intact for a lot of items, but most commonly if I got bamboozled, it was something like, everything is fine except for missing a set of screws, or a single crucial knob or something.
  People literally will just order the same thing again, pull the part they missed, and instantly return it. Which is especially scummy when it's no longer a secret these returns just get destroyed or incinerated for no reason.
  It's just disgusting consumer-brain behavior. (Amazon, of course, being sheer evil, enjoys the market advantage of a "no questions" return policy.)
  If it was a very specialty piece beyond a simple hardware store run, a lot of times I've been lucky enough to politely contact the manufacturer of a thing, sometimes I tell them I got it as a gift so they don't ask for a proof of purchase. And they'll just send me the missing bit. Free. Super simple. The most I had to do was take a picture of the model tag.
  The fact that this was too much for people to bother with grosses me out.
  
  You mean like US healthcare insurance?

Still cheaper than getting a 3D printer and filament and stuff. And CAD/CAM software.
- It's true that you should not expect to save money in the short or long run with 3d printing as a hobby, but if it's your thing then it's nice to have a hobby that's occasionally useful. Also, autodesk fusion is free for consumer use.
  
  I wouldn't say I've made back my investment on 3D printing in the past half a decade I've done it. But in terms of "prints for friends" like this one above I may be close. Plus there's just something nice about going "I need a measuring cup for dog food" and printing one to the exact serving size.
- Software is free if you aren't using it for commercial use. Fusion 360, onshape, etc. are all free for personal use. And that's assuming someone didn't make it already and share it free.
  Filament costs $17 for 1kg of perfectly fine plastic. You'd probably use 100g at most for this, so $1.70.
  A Bambu A1 mini is $200, and is a modern, high quality printer that would be fine for this project.
  So you only need like a half dozen of these projects to come out ahead.
  
  On software SIDE, kinda criminal not to mention FreeCAD, it's FOSS and runs on Linux, unlike the non-free freemium and paid alternatives
  
  To be clear, I'm the last one to say one shouldn't invest in money saving innovation. But the breaking even should be number one priority. I, for instance have all kinds of energy savers in my house that have cost me several hundreds. They'll only be returned in a few years and I need to manage them properly.
- One doesn't buy a 3D printer to make a knob. One is suddenly presented with a need for a knob (or a thingy, or a flangle, or a twizzlet...) and suddenly remembers, "hey - I have a 3D printer." Followed by "I wonder if there are any matching designs in one of the several massive free databases of models."
  
  Followed by getting out the calipers and opening OpenSCAD
- The type of person to do this most likely already has a 3d printer, and cad software is free for personal use. The electricity and filament cost for this part would be a few cents and it would take minutes to print on modern printers
  Even if you didn't have a 3d printer it would be significantly cheaper to use a 3d printing service to order the part, than to buy OEM replacement knob
  
  Also a high probability they have a 3D printer and are super excited for something useful to do with it.
- If you do not have a 3D printer and CAD software, you are 100% right.
  If you already have those things like OP, then why not just design / print one? I am also a 3D printer / CAD person, and I love designing replacement parts that are wither too expensive, or often impossible to find. Mostly though, I design and print things that make my and my families lives easier / nicer / more convenient. And they are customized to the exact item and function, something that you would most likely never be able to get in a store or online.
  Stove Knob guards. https://www.printables.com/model/278668-stove-knob-guard
  Salt / Pepper Grinder Holder. https://www.printables.com/model/155219-salt-and-pepper-grinder-caddy
  Spice Jar Organizer. https://www.printables.com/model/151171-spice-jar-spacer-organizer
  Just to name a few things.

YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A BOSCH OVEN KNOB
- Now you can
- DON'T TELL ME WHAT I WOULDN'T STEAL

My oven is so old I came across an identical one in an e-waste pile behind a store. I stole the timer knob and mechanism so I don't need to keep using the broken one (manual only) anymore.
- You didn't steal it, you 💫recycled💫.
  
  *Reused, which is preferred to recycling even if the materials are 100% recyclable.
  That's what I told to the store employee I encountered coming to work via the back door. He wasn't too happy but ultimately let me do it.

I'd eyeball the measurements in Blender and laugh at my crooked knob every time I use the stove.
- I laugh at my crooked knob all the time.
- You're still putting too much work into this. Just heat up the metal shaft where the knob was with a torch and press any old hunk of thermo plastic onto it. Now you have janky done even more quick and cheap.

What about the old vice grips that are now a permanent part of the stove trick?
- Nothing is more permanent than a temporary fix.
- Man, all the sinks I’ve seen over the years with vice grip knobs haha.

That's a humongous oven, must be a 10+ person household.
- Or its the house people designated as the holiday house, maybe! Only actually used fully a few times a year.
  
  That's my house. We have dual ovens and use them simultaneously several times a year, mostly holidays.
- 90cm.
  We have one for our 4 adult, 2 kid household. Its amazing how often it's not big enough for all sorts of things.
  I think 2 X 60cm ovens make more sense in hindsight and they also dont take as long to heat up
- I ended up with 8 hobs, 2 ovens, a grill, and a drawer on mine. It was there when I moved in, and I kept it. Damn thing is built like a tank.
  I've never had to use more than 2 of the hobs at once.
  I use one of the ovens for storing rarely used pans and things.
  
  That sounds like the 48" Miele. If so, hang on to it. That son of a bitch currently retails for $17,599.
  No, that is not a typo.
- And yet it runs with gas, as if we're still cavemen cooking meat over open fires.
  
  Its the cheapest ¯(ツ) _/¯

China mastered copying things well. A five pack of replacement knobs that actually match is $34 on Amazon. A crappy homemade knob for a $4000+ range is crazy.
- China has also mastered modern slave labor. That someone makes thier own replacement instead of ordering some small uncomplicated part from across the globe isn't crazy, it's self-reliant and smart.
  But that's, like, just my opinion man.
  
  I’m sure the prison firefighters out in California are real mad about China mastering modern slave labor
  
  Oh I would go for the OEM part ten times out of ten, especially for such a nice appliance. Instead this person opted to make some plastic waste that will eventually be in the Ocean after we are all long dead.
  Completely agree that Amazon garbage is terrible for humanity
- And Bosch makes and generally stands by their good products. Yeah they're a company, but they're not the worst!
  Also, where did original knob go, I need to know.
  
  Some things are better left unknown.
- It goes farther than that! The 34$ 5 pack is only that price because its already here in america to be shipped in a day or two. It came from china, where you can order the same thing for 1-5% of the price if you are willing to wait a month to receive it.
- I was gonna bitch about it too but the cheaper Bosch ranges use the same knobs. It's an off the shelf part that Bosch is charging a ridiculous premium for.

I wish I had pockets big enough to replace the flimsy Bosch drawers in my fridge that start to shatter as soon as you pull just a tiny bit harder than normal.
- There are 3d models for some fridge drawers. I have a Frigidaire with similarly flimsy drawers and found a model for them.

How much did the printer and materials cost? Or the time to educate on cad and printing?
Just saying, it was likely far more money and time/effort than merely 12 cents.
- If you didn't learn it only for this project, that cost is already sunk regardless.
  Either way the post itself contains the answer for those who haven't already sunk that cost.
- Also, aren't ovens hot? Won't a 3d printed part melt straight away, or is there some special material?
  
  I don't think knobs get very hot
  
  Depends on the material. ABS would be a decent material for this application - as long as you have a decent enough setup to scrub / clean the air in the chamber / room.
  PLA would have a hard time in that position, PETG might be OK, Nylon may creep after too many heat cycles. Depending on how hot those parts get this is.

There's a third, where the first person puts on thingiverse and we do it for fun without owning the actual unit

But what the hell happened to the other knob? I've done a lot of stupid shit around the stove but I can't imagine what could happen to it.
- Kids are a force
  
  Wait you have kids and still sink money into crypto shillcoins? 😬
- From experience, we tend to use the same two burners, and one particular one, the most, by far. (Front left for us) After 15 years, the plastic on the underside of the original knob got worn and loose and almost broke. We rotated the burner knobs. The oven knob is doing the same thing, but it'll need to be replaced or repaired. Like someone else said, they aren't usually all metal construction, there's plastic on the inside.

Channel locks, adjustable wrench, or plyers are also acceptable. Plus then ya know damned well where they are.
- This is why I always buy cheap vice grips whenever I see them in a box of tools at an estate sale or something.
  "Oops, I broke a handle on (thing)."
  Clamps vice grips on the bit left over
  "Fixed it."
  Right now both of the seats in my truck just have a vice grips for the reclining lever.
  
  I had my shower knobs as vice grips for a long while

Wouldn't that be susceptible to melting due to oven temps? Or is that probably made from a higher temp filament?
- What's the melting point of the regular filament? You're supposed to touch the oven knobs it so it's probably not much higher than 50 degrees.
  
  50 degrees? How do your oven knobs even get that hot? Mine don't change temperature at all, always room temperature. If your oven knobs get recognizably warmer (yet to spend of 50°) something seems to be awfully wrong with your oven!
  
  50° K?
- Hopefully if it's a decent oven there isn't that much heat on the outside. I guess if you just left the door open, it might eventually melt
- Not really. You can print it out of ABS easily enough if that's a concern, given that there is a good chance that is what the knob on any given residential range or oven is likely to have been made out of by the factory anyway.
  As a matter of fact, since this is directly in my wheelhouse (not that wheelhouse, the other one) vis-a-vis both 3D printing and whitegoods, let's take a look.
  Being in the unique position to be able to do so, I grabbed a knob off of a random smattering of ranges. Here's what I found from the ones that didn't require taking them apart further to find the markings or scraping at them with a knife or something (hey, there's the other wheelhouse):
  Maytag (Whirlpool): Stamped "ABS" on the inside.
  Bosch "Industrial Style" (similar to OP's): PBT
  Whirlpool: PET
  Verona: ABS
  GE Base Line: ABS
  PBT has a pretty similar melting point to ABS at ~235° C. With ABS it's complicated, but I print ABS at 260° C for what it's worth. PET is also typically given around 260-270. So these are all pretty similar to each other.
  TL;DR: You should be fine with ABS.
  
  Oh sweet, knowing how to use a knife is right up my wheelhouse too!
- Glass transition temp of PLA is around 55-60C - that’s when it starts to get malleable. I’d be pretty surprised if the oven knobs get that hot.
- Depends on the type of filament used and temperatures that are actually present at the knob. I would say no since the temperature required to melt (or warp) the knob would have to be high enough to cause some pretty severe burns if you touched it with your hand. if the knobs on the oven/range are getting that hot, there is a lot more to worry about here than the knob melting.

I just grab the serial number from a recently sold one and file a warranty claim on it.
- That's fraud
  
  Yeah? You should see the kind of crap my vendors are always trying to do to me. If anything the owe me big time anyhow.

Little sanding and silver Rub 'n Buff on that print will make it look a lot better and closer match to the rest.
- Or even simply moving it to the middle of the set of three for less distraction.
- I like to keep the 3D printed look for spare parts, because its a good conversation starter and it often blows peoples minds if you tell them how cheap it was to produce. I was able to get at least 6 people into 3D printing now that way.
  
  And if you need guards for your knobs, I designed some after bumping mine and turning on the gas more than once.
  https://www.printables.com/model/278668-stove-knob-guard

So one is creative and solution seeking and now proud about himself and an inspiration to others and the other one -- not, but just a thief.
- Just a thief?? That’s creative, solution seeking, and ecologically conscious problem solving right there
  
  Ecologically conscious would have been getting it from some shop that fixes and recycles appliances.
  
  Yes, he's just a thief. The ends don't justify the means. I can't believe that needs to even be said.
  
  He's an active initiator of the broken windows theory and thus not only a thief but acting anti-social by destroying virtues and morale and thus social safety, coherency and teamspirit. He's a selfish sociopath.
- If the knob on your stove breaks while it's still new enough to be sold on the floor of a Home Depot? Yeah, the theft wasn't by the guy who took the knob.
  
  Where does it say it's new enough to be on the floor of Home Depot?
  EDIT: Not sure why I'm getting downvoted with no replies, but ok. The title and image literally don't say anything about a knob breaking on a new stove. Just people getting mad about something that was completely made up. Every day Lemmy gets worse and worse (more like reddit); can't wait for the Lemmy exodus to take me to a new place.
  
  If the knob of your new-bought stovebreaks to talk to the seller or the manufacturer and request a new knob if it was a manufacturing problem. You don't go around and steal knobs from innocents.
- The thief inspired me.
  
  Or the longer version:
  
  Simplest answer wins, and you could argue its not even stealing when its a display model.
- Shoplifting is a noble crime.

I was reading some "I am a master shoplifter" threads on Reddit, and honestly I don't know why people don't steal more stuff.
- I thought they banned the shoplifting subs. No?
  
  They did, it was an AMA.

Pro tip as a 3D printer owner/user though:
Oftentimes for small elements like this you can just contact the company and they'll send you a knob or whatever. (Probably won't be that lucky on repair parts though)
But I also enjoy the pride of seeing things I've repaired and longevitized with my own equipment. :)

I'd say more like 30 cents, but this one's clearly stolen - a real 3d printer owner would have had the right color filament on hand.
- Much more realistic that we'd intentionally spend $40 on a specialty roll of filament to have the right color and finish for that one specific print. See, I'm totally saving money! Right after I print, like, nine more of these!

The two types of players
Edit: Here have a funny youtube video I reminded myself of https://youtu.be/CJpsL3XbD-M

lol when i was an asshole kid i did that with guitar volume knobs

Now THAT is a life hack.

But now it's the only one that doesn't look nicely polished, unlike the other knobs. 😁
- If it was MY knob, it'd be polished on a daily basis.
- Replace them all

Well done IF_TV!

Isn't that just selling?

Thats going to be a squidgy mess after a long cooking session. Hope he doesn't get plastic burns.
- I think something might be wrong with your oven uh... my knobs don't get anywhere near the glass point of PLA when I'm cooking something.
- I've always got a spool of high temperature PLA for that, good for up to 140°C.
  
  I don't have a setup for ABS/ASA and been looking for affordable HT alternatives. Not sure how I haven't heard about this.
  2.5x the price of PLA where i am, but not like I have better options on hand.

They should buy some paint so it matches the other knobs.

Not a meme
- Feels like fark.com all over again.
  
  Holy shit, talk about blast from the past...
- How many of you dipshits are there?
  Learn what a meme is, you guys look dumb as hell spamming posts with this
  
  A meme [/miːm/] is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme. A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme.
  Feel free to keep reading on Wikipedia, or the dictionary, or wherever you may prefer.
  You, my friend, are talking wholely from your ass. You are wrong, and also you're acting like a massive fuckwad. But you're probably 12 or 14 or something, so just read the definition of a meme before you spout off? This is a screenshit that is entertaining, and in no way is it a meme. If you can find it on "knowyourmeme" I'll be happy to eat a paper hat.
  Learn not to be a dickwad unless you've done your homework.

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