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Just think of how few user metrics they get out of Windows 10 though!

OK, doomer.

We very clearly haven't already lost, otherwise the world would have ended. You and I wouldn't be having this discussion, we'd be cobbling together what bits of food we could to survive.

Stop this mindset, it's destructive and foolish - human beings have the capability of overcoming this. If people with this mindset were asked to dive into the cooling tanks at the Chernobyl incident - we, as a species, would actually be fucked.

Cue the people freaking out about 'ERM well only if it's an offline machine' lol

"Technically" lol I think one of their corp guys said it, but never endorsed it as a position.

Any reason you went with fedora? I've been partial to fedora for a decade, but last I knew it wasn't recommended for a daily driver given the upstream fuckery from redhat.

Asking cuz I'm about two weeks from kicking win10 in the dick and moving to alma or something.

Any good step by step explainers nowadays? Been over a decade sinceI set my last Linux machine up for a friend, and have been thinking about trying one for a Jellyfish server.

Knowing that my gaming PC could get a few extra frames might intrruige me into performing the upgrade there too if the jellyfish machine goes well.

My GPU runs out of memory if I try to play DRG on linux (fedora), Zerotier and XLink Kai run but won't connect or plainly don't work inside the games I've tried with, and the mumble server just won't work (even using the docker) because it seems my motherboard's network isn't compatible or something, so if I want to use Linux I'd have to upgrade my pc anyway.

Gaming on Linux has taken huge steps, but I'd hardly call the current state as great, it's ok and improving, but still requires tinkering and knowledge beyond just turning it on, installing and using... And something might not work because fuck you.

WINE works surprisingly well too. I've seen people talk about gaming on Linux using Lutris or launching it through Steam as a "Non-Stean game" but I just put my files in my WINE directory and have better success.

I run everything on steam with proton that I did on my windows PC, nothing was left behind. If you 'add a game' from outside steam, you can run the installer and then change the game location to the executable. Ubuntu or Ubuntu mate are what I install on everything. Recommend.

I'll use the crappy Win11 lappy just for MS office

LibreOffice works very well. I use it often in a company that uses Office exclusively, and I've never had a compatibility issue.

6700k is 64 bit.

I figured it was related to the hardware architecture, but I'm curious if this is for security reasons (potential exploits that the OS can't resolve) and/or just a support bandwidth concerns managing 2 OS code bases (on top of the obvious revenue from new licenses).

If the hardware security isn't the issue, then switching to Linux is a good money saving choice for those that are tech savvy.

Appreciate it! I’ll be sure to do that. Between here and some old Reddit posts, I’ve found a lot of useful stuff on getting started

Any unpatched windows machine can be patched into a Linux machine.

This seems much more likely lol

That's cool, but a lot of people (myself included) aren't able to justify a brand new laptop. I can absolutely afford a new laptop...I just have no desire to buy one when older ones work just fine and have plenty of life in them.

My current laptop is a T495 that I bought at a flea market two years ago for $100 and it still handles all of my needs completely fine. My kid is using a T470 I bought not too long before that for around the same price, and it does everything he needs too (though it could stand to handle Minecraft JE a bit better...but in fairness he installs nearly every mod he finds and I never really taught him about adjusting settings).

If you aren't doing high-end gaming or video editing, practically any computer can handle like 95% of other daily home computer tasks.

That said, his laptop speakers are blown...so maybe it's time I start looking for an upgrade for me. Kids are good for that type of stuff. Still remember convincing my wife we needed to get him a Switch for Christmas...his first Christmas. I wouldn't buy myself a switch...but for my 5 month old kid? Yeah he needs Breath of the Wild.

Oh I misread that and thought you said they thinkpads themselves were $140 lol

Create a live USB stick and demonstrate it to her, without deleting Windows. Bonus points if you rice the fuck out of it with some kawaii shit for your GF and make Sims 4 work with Wine.

Use an immutable distro so even if she breaks it it's easily fixed

If all she uses the computer for is playing Sims 4, another option is just let her continue to use Windows 10. If she's running it through Steam she's probably got another 3-4 years before that stops working.

Install win 10 LTSC

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_version_history Windows 10 ltsc 1809 will be supported until late 2029 if you or someone you know is set on continuing to use Windows 10

Is she stupid?

Only the drive you install it on will be affected, but the other drives likely won't be formatted to work with Linux.

It's called dual-booting, and yes there are so many tutorials availiable. But you have to be a little more careful in that process. I do dualboot but almost never uses windows. I have heard situation where windows updates messing linux installs on same drive. The safest route might be to do what others suggested but it is possibe to install that way. Be careful with partitioning and formatting. You also have to determine the sizes for each partitions yourself too

I think so?

Let's not pretend Microsoft is trying to do anything else but make more money with the TPM requirement.

i just switched my laptop to mint and my desktop is next :) surprisingly so many "windows only" steam games run perfectly fine in linux

My 73 year old dad has been on Linux for.. eight years I believe? He loves it.

Welcome! Switched 2 years ago, never looked back

I believe it is easier to use than windows, it is just old habits, I switch to Linux in 2007 from XP.

Yeah, I had this realization a couple of years ago when I switched as well... I felt like "this is what personal computing was always supposed to be like before capitalism had its way."

Every now and then a little devil on my shoulder says "you should set up a cluster computer that serves a secondary function as a smart space heater" and it's gonna be really hard to ignore if the deals are good enough.

Oh good. My PC is actually 11 years old. The hard drive died a few months ago. So I replaced the 3.5inch sata 7200rpm drive with an enclosure that holds 2 2.5inch drives. I'm using solid state for the first time. I was able to clone my Windows 7 drive to a solid state drive. It works even better than the original drive.

But! That enclosure makes it so that I can just turn off the PC, eject the drive, insert a different drive, and now I'm on an entirely different OS. It's my first time using linux.....it still sucks, but it's useable. Last time I tried linux was right before I bought this PC 11 years ago. I tried using linux on a PC that previously was running Windows XP. I couldn't even get it to boot. Now things generally work, but it has BEEN a constant struggle, and a constant learning experience.

The prices have already been cratering for anything with 7th gen and older Intel CPUs. Full systems seem to be under $100 now where just a year or two ago they were around $200 or more

In other words, someone may be willing to pay you for parts,

Except for the parts that Windows obsoleted. Not saying that they're valueless, but they certainly tanked the value of otherwise useful parts.

My thoughts exactly. Didn't think anybody would get the reference.

If I was responsible I'd learn about that stuff now but that sounds like an October 13 problem tbh

Why does this exist lol

Instructions unclear, now I'm using the Windows terminal to launch Ubuntu and also have it running in Hyper-V. How does that help me if my windows is out of support? ^/s

On the one hand, rare Microsoft w to help users transition to their competitor.

On the other, they kinda yadda yadda over probably the biggest and most important part: choosing which of the billion distros is best for your needs and preferences..

Sounds like a bad piece of hardware if it spans OS’s.

As much as I dislike Windows, it's incredibly uncommon for it to blue screen unless there's some kind of hardware fault. And if it's happening in Linux too, you've got bad/dying hardware.

In Linux, if your system is hanging for a bit then coming back, then it's probably a drying hard drive.

One thing you can check with is Burn In Test on Windows. It will stress all the individual components and tell you what's failing.

Just buy a working mouse, stupid

Games aren't much of an issue anymore, it's the other software that keeps me from switching

I've been gaming on Linux for close to two years now. I believe there have been two games that actually caused some issues in getting them to run. But for the most part Proton does everything out of the box. And especially older games work way better than on Windows. There are no problems with compatibility mode or deprecated WinAPI-Calls. It just works.

The only thing I would advise is to install Steam and all your other launchers via Lutris. That will save you some hassle.

When’s the last time you tried?

I’ve been gaming on bazzite and haven’t found a game that doesn’t work. Haven’t had to touch a command line or anything, everything has been stable out of the box

What games don't work?

Most of the time, the issue is the drm on games or anticheat.

Ironically SteamOS is based on Arch Linux lol

If yoy have a fairly recent gpu, windows games run fine on linux. The exception is games with agressive anti-cheat.

I'm not a huge gamer myself but the handful of games I do like to play every now and then all run on Linux.

Real, Valorant is the only game really keeping me from Linux at this point. Steam with proton has really improved linux gaming

Dude......c'mon now. Check my history. I am NOT a linux defender. I am more along the lines of a linux user mocker. I find the OS to be confusing, but I find the userbase to just be SO.....SO mockable. Just making fun of linux brings them out in droves. And it's so funny to point out how the whole OS is clearly terminal mandated to enjoy the OS. Just say something like that, and you'll twist somebodies knickers.

That being said, of all the things that are legitimately awful about linux, you chose the GAME SUPPORT??? My god. Steam is THE storefront on PC. They have a vested interest in helping linux's development, as long as that development goes towards making games work. The steamdeck is literally their financial incentive to make certain that your claim isn't close to being true.

And sure, you could say you disagree with Steam's practice of LICENSING you a game. Not selling. There is a difference. I get it. That is something that is in itself a problem, but that also doesn't relate to your issue. Because even if you stayed on Windows, you'd still have to buy from Steam. They're just as dominant on Windows, as they are on linux.

So, you COULD buy from GOG. The issue is, they specialize in retro games. So, their library may have massive gigantic gaps in titles. But again, this would also be true on Windows.

So.......yeah, I don't know how you would defend linux game support being lackluster.

Check out distros like Pop!_OS or Nobara. Linux gaming has come a long way recently due to Valve going all in on linux for the Steam Deck. Frankly even just the standard mainline distros aren't terrible for gaming these days tbh.

Same

Cause lobbing 25+lbs of hardware at someone is frowned upon most of the time.

Don't wanna hurt the other person or the computer, duh. After all, a device infested with Windows doesn't really need to be punished for it.

Also make sure to remove all BIOS passwords first

Yeah, we all know that, but MS being the main force driving this is kinda nuts tho.

Depends what you do on your computer.

Macs are amazing and unique and, at the same time, extremely infuriating and very expensive.

"pray you get the printer set up" is more of a windows thing. For ten years, over three versions of windows, I couldn't get printing to work reliably. Switched to Linux, no problems since

Also, the new hardware thing is not really true anymore. Most things are supported from the get-go, or at least within a few weeks